A-Rod becomes A-Roid

[blueline]

We can all say what we want about A-Rod, how terrible it is, what a fraud he is, but we also have to consider that his name never should have come out.

MLB and the Players Associatioin collectively agreed to go through this testing process, not to get names, but to get numbers. If I understand this correctly, they were looking for 5-7% positive tests from the sample of players tested and if that number was reached, it would provide cause for further testing. The tests were to be done in strict confidentiality, so no names were to have been mentioned. Just like if you go to the doctor and have blood work done, the results are confidential. You shouldn't have to read your name on the front page of the newspaper the next day.

Of course it doesn't excuse A-Rod and all the others from doing what they did, but he surely has a right to feel his confidentiality has been violated. Again, the question remains - who leaked the info?

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Why don't you get it ??? Cause ESPN was discussing this debate with it's listeners but it seems you can get the corolation ...

Is this thread on A-Rod cheating on wife ... no ??? A-Rod and his realtionship with his teamates no ???

This thread is about steroids and a player ie A-Rod taking performance enhancing drugs ... A-Rod taking Roids is on the thread tilte and so its about A-Rod and preformance enhancing drungs .... On that same weekend Kobe was too sick to go but took intravenous fluids to enhance his performance ..

There I bolded it for you so you can get it like ESPN nation was yesterday ??? Players take roids for many reasons and to recover from injury quicker is one of those reasons ... Kobe Bryant was also trying to recover from injury quicker and so ESPN nation was discussing why we frown on one and we accept the other ???

So a glucose/saline drip = steroids? I think YOU'RE on drugs if you believe that.

 

[xdog]

Why do people say that a-ROID is winning the court of public opinion because he came out and admitted that he cheated. he didn't come out on his own voilition. He came out because he couldn't lie any more. ESPN had the proof that he knowingly cheated for at least 3 years. It wasn't a 1-time thing. He's a fraud like all the others. MLB is just hoping this goes away because these teams must have known what was going on. We should be investigating the ownership and union if we are going to be investigating the players. Just another reason not to watch MLB anymore.

 

[The Prince]

Lol

Not only does he not know what he took, he doesn't know where he got it. This is his coming clean attempt at honesty. LOL

 

[OnTheWayOut]

Not only does he not know what he took, he doesn't know where he got it. This is his coming clean attempt at honesty. LOL

Exactly. Coming clean isn't what it used to be ...... Arod got outed and he's a jerk for doing it. But his "coming clean" doesn't wash ............

As for what MLB should do, they should find out who violated the trust. This was supposed to be anonymous testing so MLB could get a handle on how big a problem they had and someone spilled the beans. Why only Arod outed? Now we know 103 others are also guilty and have to suspect all 700 players unless they name all of them.

With BorASS as his agent you know some sort of lawsuit has to be coming for the leak. But the whole thing is out of control. How the hell does anonymous testing allow names to be attched to samples to begin with? I've about had enough of it, it's in the past. Learn from it and keep a watchful eye. Due to all the unfairness with some getting caught, some coming forward, some dancing around the issue they should wipe the slate clean. It was what it was and can't be changed. You can't ignore all the records from that era and erase only a few unless you know all who were juiced.

I hear how only that era is suspect .... hold on a minute. I also remember the 70s and 80s with bennies and greenies and whatnot. Every era had it's attempts to cheat and gain some type of performance enhancement. Think Babe would have turned down something to help him hit a few more? And are you sure he didn't? Are we sure Hank wasn't using anything? There had to be something the players were into in his day ..... Cheating is almost as much a part of sports (not just baseball) as anything. Pitchers rough up the ball, spit on it, anything to get an edge. NO, it's not right. But it's not new to the steroid era. Want to go back and erase records of those who admitted to a lil grease under the cap or sandpaper in their glove? And assume since the others didn't get caught they're angels?

There's no easy or right answer I guess. But I'm about at the point where I say put it all behind us, forget who got caught and assume all were playing on a level field ... they all had the same decisions and we'll never know for sure who did what. No asterisks, just move on. Enough.

 

[Rockslinger]

But he got outed and he's a jerk for doing it. But his "coming clean" doesn't wash ............

By admitting he did it he avoided the problems that Bonds and Clamens are having with the Justice system. Bonds and Calmens could go to jail not for "doing it" but for lying about it. A court will decide whether they perjured themselves or not. Lesson: Do not lie to Congress. They will not be pleased.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

By admitting he did it he avoided the problems that Bonds and Clamens are having with the Justice system. Bonds and Calmens could go to jail not for "doing it" but for lying about it. A court will decide whether they perjured themselves or not. Lesson: Do not lie to Congress. They will not be pleased.

Do you think Arod didn't lie when he said he didn't know what he took or where he got it? His saving grace is he didn't say it to congress or under oath but he lied just the same. He also lied a year ago when he said he never did or was never tempted to do stuff. So now we are to believe he's not lying ....... ok.

But as I said .... let's close the book and move on, nothing good can happen from here.

 

[shack]

Do you think Arod didn't lie when he said he didn't know what he took or where he got it?

The difference is that he didn't lie to Congress or a Grand Jury as Bonds and Clemens did. Much different than lying to Katie Couric.

Wonder if the finger pointing Rafael Palmeiro will get his comeuppance.

 

[Stradler]

Do you think Arod didn't lie when he said he didn't know what he took or where he got it?

If it was me I think I would know everything that was stuck in me. He can not be that naive....can he?

 

[Mia.Colpa]

During the A-rods steriod days (that we know of) Tiger and A-Rod developed a close friendship as they trained together many times (confirmed by ESPN, SI, etc). This "friendship" turned into a business deal that none of us really paid much attention to.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40739/print/

My point is - Is Tiger a steriod abuser also? Should Tiger be held to the same standards as A-rod and other steriod abuser? The world opinion (Judge, Jury & Executioner) is slamming the MLB's. I think Tiger and some NFL steriod junkies deserves some justice also.

Bullshit story, not true. Don't trust the onion.

 

[lawyerman]

Bullshit story, not true. Don't trust the onion.

Agreed.

 

[blueline]

Selig may suspend A-Rod?

Okay, now the $17 million dollar man who runs MLB (term used loosely) is considering punishing A-Rod and possibly adjusting baseball's record books? The same moron who sat back and slapped his pals on the back during the McGwire-Sosa home run chase in the middle of the roid era, the same idiot who called a tie game in the all-star game, the same idiot who had no clue wtf to do last year in the world series during a rain delay, the same moron who sat back all these years and saw all these players getting bigger, stronger, breaking all kinds records, inflating their numbers - and he did nothing about it? Then came the Mitchell Report - wtf has he done about that? But now he wants to punish A-Rod and A-Rod alone? What about the other 103 players? What about Andy Pettitte from last year? He admitted taking steroids but there was NO punishment. How about Giambi, who apologized, but nobody really knew what he was apologizing for. What will he do about Tejada? What is he going to do, suspend every player on that list of 103 players? Good luck with that, good luck getting the record book changed.

I can't believe this freaking idiot. I don't like A-Rod but this is total bullshit, especially since his name NEVER should have come out. A-Rod should be freaking out, going all out to find the person(s) who threw his name out there.

The last line from the article (link below) is laughable. "I don't want to create any false hope," he said, "but I am saddened. This is breaking my heart, I don't mind telling you that." He acts like he is so suprised at this. Not specifically A-Rod, but that a star player has tested positive. Get your freaking head out of the sand you jackass.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-02-11-selig-arod_N.htm

 

[Rockslinger]

Press conference is happening now. He admits taking something called (didn't catch the name) administered by his cousin. Probably the best course of action. Get it out now, put it behind him. No Congress hearing, no perjury charges, no jail time. (Can't see Madonna in the room.)

 

[Angela@Mirage]

Press conference is happening now. He admits taking something called (didn't catch the name) administered by his cousin. Probably the best course of action. Get it out now, put it behind him. No Congress hearing, no perjury charges, no jail time. (Can't see Madonna in the room.)

I am watching the conference as well. He is stepping up to the plate. Live and let live. This player is placed under emense pressure.

 

[blueline]

Press conference is happening now. He admits taking something called (didn't catch the name) administered by his cousin. Probably the best course of action. Get it out now, put it behind him. No Congress hearing, no perjury charges, no jail time. (Can't see Madonna in the room.)

It is a little different today vs. the nice cozy, relaxed interview he did with Peter Gammons. All that was missing was A-Rod lying on the couch in his crib drinking a beer. A-Rod chose Peter because he knew he would go easy on him. He doesn't have many easy questions today, nice to know he is squirming in his chair.

 

[Rockslinger]

If what he said is the truth and the whole truth, it doesn't sound like he was a hardcore drug abuser. Hopefully, this doesn't taint his entire career. (Still can't find Madonna in the crowd.)

 

[blueline]

Well, he surely did not hurt himself by coming clean (sort of)today, but I don't think he helped his cause that much.

-Another one that used the 'Dumb Defence', claiming he did not know what he was using, if it worked, how to administer it, etc. As one reporter asked, for a guy who takes care of his body as an athlete, it is hard to imagine putting drugs into your body without knowing what they are.

-He also went to the 'misremember' defence when he claims he forgot about the details when he spoke with Peter Gammons.

-Why is it that someone always seems to get thrown under the bus now. A-Rod's cousin. Clemens' wife. Pettitte's father.

-How long does anyone think it will take for the name of the cousin to be revealed? I bet someone is researching this right now.

- Something else I found hard to believe was when he said he didn't really notice much gain, other than having more energy. He said he doesn't even know if they were doing it right, his best years were with Seattle and then in 2007. So if he noticed no real gains, why did he continue for three years?

-The neck injury was the reason he stopped. Yet many other players start when they have an injury. Then he said he stopped because he was scared for his life, while mentioning he knew they had started testing at that time. What he never said was he stopped because he knew it was wrong, but rather that he was scared he would get caught. Had they not been testing, I wonder if he would have stopped.

Anyways, good for him to at least admit it, but then again he had no choice knowing what he faced had he denied it. If something positive comes out of this, then I suppose that's good. Aligning himself with that man whose son died from steroid use was a good PR move.

 

[The Oracle]

Somewhere Jose Canseco is just shaking his head and yelling BULLSHIT! at the top of his lungs. I'll give to A-Rod though this is a well thought out lie.Let's look at the lie shall we.

-Blames his cousin for introducing him to the idea thus playing the naive victim
-Claims what he took was over the counter-therefore how could he have known they were the banned steroids(steroids are sold OTC coincidentally in the D.R)
-Claims he took what was called "boli'-a steroid nobody has ever heard of
-Claims he was young and naive-at this point he had been in the majors for what 6 or 8 yrs
Claims he only took a shot once a month (I can't remember whether it was once or twice per month)-implying that he is a low level user

A nice tidy damage control lie congured by A-Rod and his agent and PR people. The problem is who ever he was really getting his stuff from is out there and the truth has a way of coming out for the right price.

 

[blueline]

Somewhere Jose Canseco is just shaking his head and yelling BULLSHIT! at the top of his lungs. I'll give to A-Rod though this is a well thought out lie.Let's look at the lie shall we.

-Blames his cousin for introducing him to the idea thus playing the naive victim
-Claims what he took was over the counter-therefore how could he have known they were the banned steroids(steroids are sold OTC coincidentally in the D.R)
-Claims he took what was called "boli'-a steroid nobody has ever heard of
-Claims he was young and naive-at this point he had been in the majors for what 6 or 8 yrs
Claims he only took a shot once a month (I can't remember whether it was once or twice per month)-implying that he is a low level user

A nice tidy damage control lie congured by A-Rod and his agent and PR people. The problem is who ever he was really getting his stuff from is out there and the truth has a way of coming out for the right price.

That about covers it. Then you can add:

-A-Roid and his cousin did this so secretively that nobody knew about it. Well, Jose Canseco sure knew about it and did everything but stick the needles in his butt. He even hooked him up with a person to get him started on PED's.

-He mentioned earlier that he felt so much pressure in Texas that he had to do something, so he began using (even though they didn't do anything for him, except give him an energy boost). I guess there is more pressure playing in Texas than there is in New York, so he didn't feel as though he needed to use anymore.

-The remark about how he benched 310 lbs in high school to get a free jacket was comical. So now after taking steroids, he can only bench 240 lbs? Maybe that explains why he sucks so much in the post season. The drugs he took worked in reverse.

-That bit of emotion in the beginning of the interview was acted out very poorly. What - no real tears? Just a pause? Couldn't he have at least tried to think of an old pet that died or something to at least cause a small trickle of tears.

-People are so quick to have his back for admitting this. Sure he did, but he did because he got caught and he had NO choice but to fess up. Knowing the mess that others are in (Bonds, Clemens, Tejada, etc) he had to come clean in some way. This may be the beginning of a 15 year campaign for the Hall of Fame.

There is more to the story that we may never find out because the preferred drug in MLB is HGH and there is no test for it. Okay so he came out and admitted it (sort of, by using the Dumb and Dumber defence for him and the cousin), he is prepared to take responsibility for his actions, he didn't deny it like some others (Bonds, Clemens, Tejada, Palmero, etc). But he still leaves a lot of doubt in the minds of many people as to how much he took and for how long.

Just once I would like for a player to come out and say - "Look, I did it. I knew exactly what I was doing and I did it to keep up with everyone else, to make the playing field level. I feared being outperformed by other players and I wasn't going to stand for someone getting ahead of me. There was so much pressure during this era, steroid use was very wide spread, if you wanted to compete evenly and stay in the game, you did everything you could, including taking PED's." I think people would see this in a much different light as opposed to hearing players lie and hide info, making excuses, throwing friends and relatives under the bus, trying to make us out to be stupid. You did it - own it.

 

[Rockslinger]

steroid use was very wide spread, if you wanted to compete evenly and stay in the game, you did everything you could, including taking PED's."

Maybe this was the only way to compete against a pitcher pumped up on steroid. Can we blame him?