Even if thats true, how many times has the US fucked with other elections around the world?? (especially in the 3rd world)??
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I addressed that on post #14:Even if thats true, how many times has the US fucked with other elections around the world?? (especially in the 3rd world)??
BTW, I can't believe you are agreeing with nottiboy.Even if the U.S. did interfere elsewhere, they are still going to be pissed. It's not like they will say, "Oh, since we meddled we don't care if someone fucks with our election". Do you really think that will happen?.
Actually very wrong, Putin didnt want Hillary to win, but he very much wanted Trump to win.Russia interfered in the elections/campaigns. That is not a friend of the U.S. and is why they are considered an enemy of the U.S
So now both sides are happy, and Putin loves the fact Trump won.
Also its nice both sides are now sharing intel:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...ch-prevented-russia-bomb-attack-a3721641.html
The Russians hacked the DNC and also had hacked Trump, we've read, but only released the DNC/Clinton emails to wikileaks.Bottom line is whoever hacked the DNC only exposed the truth.
They weren't after 'truth' they were after impact.
Fake news(I do like that phrase). Neither Trump nor the RNC was hacked. That was confirmed by the FBI when they did the audit of the RNC's servers. There was an attempt, according to the FBI, but no penetration. The DNC, meaning Clinton, declined the offer from the FBI to examine their security. And Podesta was not hacked. He fell for a phishing attack.The Russians hacked the DNC and also had hacked Trump, we've read, but only released the DNC/Clinton emails to wikileaks.
They weren't after 'truth' they were after impact.
Fake news(I do like that phrase). Neither Trump nor the RNC was hacked. That was confirmed by the FBI when they did the audit of the RNC's servers. There was an attempt, according to the FBI, but no penetration. The DNC, meaning Clinton, declined the offer from the FBI to examine their security. And Podesta was not hacked. He fell for a phishing attack.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.htmlFBI's Comey: Republicans also hacked by Russia
Again you are faking it. The article you referenced clearly states that Trump and the DNC was not hacked. That the Russians made attempts on old outdated websites but of course got nothing.
Semantics really. Point being the Russians had nothing to release.
Trump's businesses were hacked by the Russians in 2013. And yes, I should clarify that it was the RNC who were acknowledged hacked by the Russians but didn't have their docs released, as reported by the FBI. Oh, and by the way, what 'truths' did the RNC hacks expose that were criminal?Again you are faking it. The article you referenced clearly states that Trump and the DNC was not hacked. That the Russians made attempts on old outdated websites but of course got nothing.
Semantics really. Point being the Russians had nothing to release.
Trump apparently believes the investigation will be over soon, as his craptastic lawyers keep telling him. Most likely 'cuz he has temper tantrums when people tell him bad news.
The big question is what happens this week, when his lawyers meet with Mueller and most likely finds that the investigation will continue for a long time.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/donald-trump-mueller-investigation-not-closing
Again. The FBI stated in your link that the Russians obtained nothing because they hacked an old domain. It was a useless site.Trump's businesses were hacked by the Russians in 2013. And yes, I should clarify that it was the RNC who were acknowledged hacked by the Russians but didn't have their docs released, as reported by the FBI. Oh, and by the way, what 'truths' did the RNC hacks expose that were criminal?
Trump apparently believes the investigation will be over soon, as his craptastic lawyers keep telling him. Most likely 'cuz he has temper tantrums when people tell him bad news.
The big question is what happens this week, when his lawyers meet with Mueller and most likely finds that the investigation will continue for a long time.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/donald-trump-mueller-investigation-not-closing
And any hack in 2013 was for financial gain. Had absolutely nothing to do with politics.
So you are dead wrong.
Just a few cards in the house that is ready to collapse soon.
And the meeting is to update the Trump lawyers on the state of the investigation. Not to announce it demand anything.
You're playing politics with what's on record. Comey testified that he didn't believe that the Trump's campaign was hacked. And the RNC penetration was limited to old, unused email accounts. Now, spin away.Trump's businesses were hacked by the Russians in 2013. And yes, I should clarify that it was the RNC who were acknowledged hacked by the Russians but didn't have their docs released, as reported by the FBI. Oh, and by the way, what 'truths' did the RNC hacks expose that were criminal?
Trump apparently believes the investigation will be over soon, as his craptastic lawyers keep telling him. Most likely 'cuz he has temper tantrums when people tell him bad news.
The big question is what happens this week, when his lawyers meet with Mueller and most likely finds that the investigation will continue for a long time.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/donald-trump-mueller-investigation-not-closing
It matters not what their motivation was. THEY INTERFERED in the American Democratic process. They are enemies of the U.S. state.Actually very wrong, Putin didnt want Hillary to win, but he very much wanted Trump to win.
You're the one with the spin.You're playing politics with what's on record. Comey testified that he didn't believe that the Trump's campaign was hacked. And the RNC penetration was limited to old, unused email accounts. Now, spin away.
Listen to the FBI.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/That Russian hackers did penetrate some Republican servers but never leaked that information was one factor that led US intelligence agencies to conclude that the Kremlin's hacking operation was expressly intended to help elect Donald Trump, according to director of national intelligence James Clapper.
"Does the [intelligence community]'s conclusion that the Russians sought to assist President-elect Trump’s campaign depend on an assessment, then, that the Russians covertly collected information primarily from Democratic sources but some Republican sources as well, but only chose to release the derogatory information from the Democratic sources?" asked Senator Susan Collins.
"That's correct," answered DNI Clapper.
Oh, and this.
What's still not clear, of course, is what the RNC's stolen emails might contain. But the group would be wise to review its older servers for potential scandals. The election may have passed without an RNC leak, but Russia's intelligence agencies could still be holding onto a few secrets of America's ruling party.
Oh NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enemy of the State..............LOL!!!!!!!It matters not what their motivation was. THEY INTERFERED in the American Democratic process. They are enemies of the U.S. state
Are you guys serious with this stuff, or still kidding around????
I cant make it out either way........LOL :biggrin1:
When are you guys gonna give up???? Soon???
They intelligence community conclusions will always err on the side of conspirasy. But the other obvious conclusion is they didnt get anything.You're the one with the spin.
Listen to the FBI.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/
Oh, and this.
And as they have no idea about whether anything was stolen or what was stolen their conclusion is speculative at best.
You assume the worst. And considering the sanctions brought by the top GOP and their rhetoric, I'd say if they had anything from 2013 on McConnell or Ryan or Graham they would have used it.
Or handed it to Bannon........
Its unbelievable what Lefties will believe.They intelligence community conclusions will always err on the side of conspirasy. But the other obvious conclusion is they didnt get anything.
And as they have no idea about whether anything was stolen or what was stolen their conclusion is speculative at best
They actually think this whole RussiaGate is going somewhere..........LOL.
I can't stop laughing :clap2:
And you of course find out the real truth at breitbart, infowars or fox?They intelligence community conclusions will always err on the side of conspirasy.
Nope. Bbc,cnn,cbc, the Atlantic , msnbc, and msny other articles written for individual papers and Reuters.And you of course find out the real truth at breitbart, infowars or fox?
You however quote vox, salon and other biased sites on a regular basis. And they are biased.
We've had this discussion before. It's a stupid attempt to distract from the points. You can't argue from a point with facts as they are few and dubious.
There still is no evidence released. And I think this charade will end by spring.
The story quoted the head of the FBI and DNI, which you think are conspiracy mongers.Nope. Bbc,cnn,cbc, the Atlantic , msnbc, and msny other articles written for individual papers and Reuters.
You however quote vox, salon and other biased sites on a regular basis. And they are biased.
We've had this discussion before. It's a stupid attempt to distract from the points. You can't argue from a point with facts as they are few and dubious.
There still is no evidence released. And I think this charade will end by spring.
So you prefer and accept the Russians choosing a president as Putin's proxy ? You defense is 'what the hell' ... boys will be boys ? ... merge the KGB and CIA and dump our NATO allies ?The US interferes in elections of almost every country on the planet. The US is not the heart of democracy, not even close. The US is # 21 in world democracy rankings.
The US has overthrown or destroyed 4 Russian client states in the last 20 years. Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine. Why on earth do you really expect that Russia would not try to stop them? In fact Russia now realizes its decision to help eliminate Iraqi and Libyan nuclear programs was a strategic mistake because the US simply cannot be trusted. As such it has probably, in concert with China helped to bolster N. Koreas nuclear program to become an actual powerful deterrent to regime change.
So mistakes were made in the past which means enemies trying to undermine the USA should get a pass ? Give Hitler a pass because of slavery, the Japanese a pass because of the plight of native americans ? Your house needs some cleaning fine but that's no excuse to ignore attempts to destroy your country.
I think they came to the wrong conclusion. Which does happen.The story quoted the head of the FBI and DNI, which you think are conspiracy mongers.
Or do you still believe Saddam had WMD?
And that is just one example.
