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A Congress Intel Member Just Preempted Trump’s Christmas Surprise For Mueller

Butler1000

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The Russians hacked the DNC and also had hacked Trump, we've read, but only released the DNC/Clinton emails to wikileaks.
They weren't after 'truth' they were after impact.
They hacked some of Trump's businesses. In 2013. Stop lying.

And all that was released by Wiki was the truth. What's so bad about that. And I still contend no investigation was done of the DNC servers to determine who leaked. The FBI was denied access. So there is no proof who did it.
 

Butler1000

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The story quoted the head of the FBI and DNI, which you think are conspiracy mongers.
Just to add.

Comey was head off The FBI. Do you think he did a bang up job?

And Flynn was head of the DIA. once again proving that while institutions can be good people are flawed.
 

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I think they came to the wrong conclusion. Which does happen.

Or do you still believe Saddam had WMD?

And that is just one example.
They were told to produce something on Saddam, true.
In this case it was 14 departments of US intel, though.

And of course there are similar reports all through Europe and the UK.

Do you not believe every one of those reports?
 

Butler1000

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They were told to produce something on Saddam, true.
In this case it was 14 departments of US intel, though.

And of course there are similar reports all through Europe and the UK.

Do you not believe every one of those reports?
All those agencies also came to the conclusion about WMD. As well as British intelligence.

And you are again lying. The agencies have concluded that the Russians have been using trolls to upload misinformation in various election campaigns. And also that they bought ads on Twitter and Facebook.

But not a single one has concluded that the Trump campaign colluded to assist them. Not one. There has been speculation from partisan ex employees and pundits.

But no agency has come out and said Trump was involved. Not one.

And until definitive proof is produced then the conclusion is he is innocent.

You see that's the difference. You assume Trump MUST HAVE BEEN involved. I assume nothing without proof.
 

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All those agencies also came to the conclusion about WMD. As well as British intelligence.

And you are again lying. The agencies have concluded that the Russians have been using trolls to upload misinformation in various election campaigns. And also that they bought ads on Twitter and Facebook.

But not a single one has concluded that the Trump campaign colluded to assist them. Not one. There has been speculation from partisan ex employees and pundits.

But no agency has come out and said Trump was involved. Not one.

And until definitive proof is produced then the conclusion is he is innocent.

You see that's the difference. You assume Trump MUST HAVE BEEN involved. I assume nothing without proof.
I didn't say that the agencies have found that Trump has colluded with Russia yet. Those investigations are still ongoing.
This was about multiple US intel agencies, EU and UK agencies stating that they think Russia is hacking and working to effect democratic elections.
Which you refuse to accept.
 

Butler1000

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I didn't say that the agencies have found that Trump has colluded with Russia yet. Those investigations are still ongoing.
This was about multiple US intel agencies, EU and UK agencies stating that they think Russia is hacking and working to effect democratic elections.
Which you refuse to accept.
Actually that's another lie. I've repeatedly said they did use trolls and buy ads. So I will say it again.

Russia tried to interfere. What actual effect they had is up for debate. The agencies have all stated they can't quantify it.

But Trump was not involved.

There now never state the above again.
 

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Mueller is NOT being fired!!! stop being so gullible to the fake news. almost every week we hear this rumour it didn't happen then and it's not going to happen now. What is going to happen though is a huge shake up at the FBI and Justice departments.
Before or after Trump goes to prison?
 

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Actually that's another lie. I've repeatedly said they did use trolls and buy ads. So I will say it again.

Russia tried to interfere. What actual effect they had is up for debate. The agencies have all stated they can't quantify it.

But Trump was not involved.

There now never state the above again.
Trump asked Putin on national TV to release incriminating evidence against Hillary during the campaign debate... and he did, among other things, tamper with the election, just as Donald requested.
 

Butler1000

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Trump asked Putin on national TV to release incriminating evidence against Hillary during the campaign debate... and he did, among other things, tamper with the election, just as Donald requested.
Lol. If you consider that "evidence" and or think it's something other than a mocking statement then you are too far gone to look at things rationally.

If that was worth anything more than a silly talking point for press pundits I'm sure it would have come up in the investigation. And as Trump has not been interviewed id say I'm right.
 

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Lol. If you consider that "evidence" and or think it's something other than a mocking statement then you are too far gone to look at things rationally.

If that was worth anything more than a silly talking point for press pundits I'm sure it would have come up in the investigation. And as Trump has not been interviewed id say I'm right.
When the Democrats/media keep pushing this specious argument, you know they really have nothing. Trump's comment was an articulation of the frustration of the American people over Clinton's ability to avoid responsibility for her actions by criminally destroying evidence (that's a REAL example of obstruction of justice, btw). The e-mails he was talking about were already long gone. If the Russians hacked her server, and thereby had copies, it was done long before Trump was even a candidate. You can't hack a wiped server (which was the state of the server at the time of Trump's comments)! Rather, it would have been a startling demonstration of the irresponsibility of Clinton if it turned out that any 3rd party, Russian or otherwise, could produce the deleted e-mails. That was Trump's point. Claiming that Trump was actually calling on Russian hackers to engage in hacking to find the e-mails is just plain stupid. No other word for it. And asking the public (or TERB members) to buy that argument is to treat them as if they are stupid. No reasonable people bought the argument during the election, and no reasonable people are buying it now.
 

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Lol. If you consider that "evidence" and or think it's something other than a mocking statement then you are too far gone to look at things rationally.

If that was worth anything more than a silly talking point for press pundits I'm sure it would have come up in the investigation. And as Trump has not been interviewed id say I'm right.
You don't understand how investigators work, do you?
Mueller targets people on the side, like Papadopolous and Manafort, to get confessions and evidence against higher ups, like Flynn. He's working his way up the chain, and very efficiently.
This week Mueller talks with Trump's lawyers, but Mueller won't talk to Trump himself until he knows exactly what questions to ask and what the answers should be.
When he does is when the shit hits the fan.
 

Frankfooter

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When the Democrats/media keep pushing this specious argument, you know they really have nothing.
Confessions from Papadopolous and Flynn.
You, and Trump, have no idea what information they are giving the FBI. Mueller will need to confirm that info and assess who he talks to next, which will take some time.
So you know they have 4 people from Trump's team, 2 confessing, 2 who are going to fight the charges in messy court battles in the spring.
 
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