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toguy5252

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And??? So, declassify them. This is a case of the domestic agency spying on the American citizens in a highly politicized environment. Let's have the truth, all of it.
You are right. Why have classified material. Why keep secrets from your enemies. Who cares about national security when the ego of Trump is at stake.
 

Anbarandy

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Let's say the President said " I'm releasing this Memo because it will stop Mueller" Is that obstruction of justice?
If his motivation, ie: intent, is to obstruct, interfere, impede, discredit, pervert, undermine or mislead the investigation, then yes BINGO! it is a corrupt intent to obstruct justice.

And, to further provide proof of his corrupt intent to obstruct justice are Trumps own words:

That he is releasing the memo to discredit and undermine the Mueller investigation.

SAD!
 

jcpro

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You are right. Why have classified material. Why keep secrets from your enemies. Who cares about national security when the ego of Trump is at stake.
Who's the enemy? The American people?
 

jcpro

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If his motivation, ie: intent, is to obstruct, interfere, impede, discredit, pervert, undermine or mislead the investigation, then yes BINGO! it is a corrupt intent to obstruct justice.

And, to further provide proof of his corrupt into to obstruct justice are Trumps own words:

That he is releasing the memo to discredit and undermine the Mueller investigation.

SAD!
I'll answer it for you. For the TDS sufferers my example is a grounds for impeachment. For the rest of the world- no.
 

bver_hunter

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from your article refuting your 1st point: The FBI declined to say if Director Christopher Wray, who viewed the memo during the weekend, approved the statement. Trump named Wray to head the Federal Bureau of Investigation after firing Director James Comey last May.
The Republicans on the Committee claimed that Wray approved of the Memo. Now Wray has threatened to quit if the memos are released.

2nd point Nunez did submit a slightly altered memo. it had typo corrections and 2 minor corrections requested by the FBI and the minoity party.
It is a legal document. You cannot make any amendments even if it is a typo without it being re-approved by all the signatories to that legal document. That was illegal. Can you imagine if the Pharma Companies are audited by the FDA and there are lots of typos and results being amended on the documentation without it going back to be approved by all the signatories to the documentation??

A spokesman for Rep Nunes says tonight's accusations about secret edits to the memo are part of an "increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication."
When the FBI and the DOJ categorically claim that the memo is not accurate, then you know that it is a very partisan memo, that will come back to haunt the Republicans. Go ahead and release it and I am sure the FBI will put out their own Memo as well to refute most of the claims.

The "minor edits" include "grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves."
Again this is a legal document and it cannot be released without going back through the re-approval process. try taking such documents into court to prove your case and the judge will tell you it is null and void.

3rd point. it is not a FACT that he colluded with the WH lol nice try.
Again he has not denied it himself. Show us where Nunes himself says that the memo was prepared just by him. Anyway there is supposed to be a redaction to the memo that is now suggested by the Whitehouse.

4th point, yes the WH has confirmed the release of the memo with the approved changes by Nunes. see point 2
Wray who was a Trump appointee has threatened to resign as he is gravely concerned by the accuracy. I will trust him more that I trust the baloney in this memo put out by Nunes and his pets.

I did not find those points in your article. do you have other links to back your claims?
When Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) asked during the same meeting whether Nunes had coordinated with the White House to release the memo, the chairman said, “As far as I know, no.” When pressed whether his staff had done so, Nunes refused to answer.

Sanders said in the CNN interview that Trump was “not aware of any conversation or coordination” between Nunes and the White House on the production or release of the memo. But she did not rule out the possibility, saying, “I just don’t know the answer.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.3bffa515de46
 

toguy5252

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The Republicans on the Committee claimed that Wray approved of the Memo. Now Wray has threatened to quit if the memos are released.



It is a legal document. You cannot make any amendments even if it is a typo without it being re-approved by all the signatories to that legal document. That was illegal. Can you imagine if the Pharma Companies are audited by the FDA and there are lots of typos and results being amended on the documentation without it going back to be approved by all the signatories to the documentation??



When the FBI and the DOJ categorically claim that the memo is not accurate, then you know that it is a very partisan memo, that will come back to haunt the Republicans. Go ahead and release it and I am sure the FBI will put out their own Memo as well to refute most of the claims.



Again this is a legal document and it cannot be released without going back through the re-approval process. try taking such documents into court to prove your case and the judge will tell you it is null and void.



Again he has not denied it himself. Show us where Nunes himself says that the memo was prepared just by him. Anyway there is supposed to be a redaction to the memo that is now suggested by the Whitehouse.



Wray who was a Trump appointee has threatened to resign as he is gravely concerned by the accuracy. I will trust him more that I trust the baloney in this memo put out by Nunes and his pets.



When Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) asked during the same meeting whether Nunes had coordinated with the White House to release the memo, the chairman said, “As far as I know, no.” When pressed whether his staff had done so, Nunes refused to answer.

Sanders said in the CNN interview that Trump was “not aware of any conversation or coordination” between Nunes and the White House on the production or release of the memo. But she did not rule out the possibility, saying, “I just don’t know the answer.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.3bffa515de46
I have a wall you can borrow.
 

jcpro

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Well according to your fearless leader patiently not Putin.
Since the Memo is not about Putin, Russia,the babayaga , or the secrets of the Gorky's metallurgical process. Actually, it doesn't have anything to do with Russia. I find your comment hilariously ridiculous.
 

Frankfooter

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Since the Memo is not about Putin, Russia,the babayaga , or the secrets of the Gorky's metallurgical process. Actually, it doesn't have anything to do with Russia. I find your comment hilariously ridiculous.
The memo is Nunes' attempt to attack Mueller and stop the investigation into Trump/Russia collusion.
 

bver_hunter

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Memo has been approved and will be released later this afternoon.
A couple of Republicans have concerns and this list is expected to grow.
It is bound to come and bite the present administration.
 

b4u

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BOOM! memo is now declassified...details coming. Dossier used to obtain FISA warrant.......stay tuned
 

b4u

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House Intelligence memo released: What it says

The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

The FBI and Justice Department mounted a monthslong effort to keep the information outlined in the memo out of the House Intelligence Committee's hands. Only the threat of contempt charges and other forms of pressure forced the FBI and Justice to give up the material.

Once Intelligence Committee leaders and staff compiled some of that information into the memo, the FBI and Justice Department, supported by Capitol Hill Democrats, mounted a ferocious campaign of opposition, saying release of the memo would endanger national security and the rule of law.

But Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes never wavered in his determination to make the information available to the public. President Trump agreed, and, as required by House rules, gave his approval for release.

Finally, the memo released today does not represent the sum total of what House investigators have learned in their review of the FBI and Justice Department Trump-Russia investigation. That means the fight over the memo could be replayed in the future when the Intelligence Committee decides to release more information.


prepare for MSM and left wing hysteria...it's gonna be fun
 

jcpro

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It's pretty much what was expected. The most damning part is the fact that the DOJ withheld the political origins of the "evidence" presented to the FISA court.
 

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So a political campaign funded research that a biased FBI used to spy on a rival campaign....
 

mandrill

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Schiff is literally shitting his pants about this memo. last I heard was that 5 members of the house took the memo to the WH immediately after the vote. however if it's true, Nunes will be looking for the nearest shithole to climb into and never come out. and yes lock him up if it applies
I don't see how or why Schiff would be "shitting in his pants" about much of anything. He and the Dems aren't the target of this hatchet job. The intent of the memo is to produce a one-sided distorted picture of FBI incompetence to pressure Rosenstein to resign, so Trump can appoint Nunes, Gowdy or some other political lackey to take over for a week or so and fire Mueller.

I am sure Schiff is pissed as hell about this smear campaign. But afraid?.... Why?
 

essguy_

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I'm assuming that everybody realizes that this is a declassified internal memo. It's not a document of any information obtained under oath and is no more than allegations or feelings. In that sense, this memo is no different than if they published a page from Trump's diary.
 

Frankfooter

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House Intelligence memo released: What it says

The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

The FBI and Justice Department mounted a monthslong effort to keep the information outlined in the memo out of the House Intelligence Committee's hands. Only the threat of contempt charges and other forms of pressure forced the FBI and Justice to give up the material.

Once Intelligence Committee leaders and staff compiled some of that information into the memo, the FBI and Justice Department, supported by Capitol Hill Democrats, mounted a ferocious campaign of opposition, saying release of the memo would endanger national security and the rule of law.

But Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes never wavered in his determination to make the information available to the public. President Trump agreed, and, as required by House rules, gave his approval for release.

Finally, the memo released today does not represent the sum total of what House investigators have learned in their review of the FBI and Justice Department Trump-Russia investigation. That means the fight over the memo could be replayed in the future when the Intelligence Committee decides to release more information.


prepare for MSM and left wing hysteria...it's gonna be fun
So Trump and the GOP are pissed because a warrant was issued to spy on someone?
The party that created the patriot act?
The same act that was just renewed?

Carter Page had been under surveillance since 2013 for Russian connections.
 

mandrill

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I'm assuming that everybody realizes that this is a declassified internal memo. It's not a document of any information obtained under oath and is no more than allegations or feelings. In that sense, this memo is no different than if they published a page from Trump's diary.
Apparently it's about 4 pages long and was written by Nunes staff, not all of whom saw the underlying FISA information.

Nunes has apparently made a career of attacking the FBI and other intelligence agencies for partisan reasons. His last little escapade was the "unmasking" allegation which faded out quickly as simply political granstanding with nothing to back it up. There were the usual grandiose trumpetings on Fox news and by Trumpies here, but it all came to nothing as usual. This will likely do the same.

I expect 4 pages of "We're shocked - and I mean really, really SHOCKED - that the FBI put contents of the Steel memo in the FISA affidavit!" The memo will leave out that the FISA affidavit was 40 pages long and filled with numerous allegations from various different sources and was extensively vetted by the FISA judge.

As the Dem committee members and the FBI themselves are effectively muzzled and can't fight back, this is just one-sided shit-slinging.
 

Frankfooter

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Apparently it's about 4 pages long and was written by Nunes staff, not all of whom saw the underlying FISA information.

Nunes has apparently made a career of attacking the FBI and other intelligence agencies for partisan reasons. His last little escapade was the "unmasking" allegation which faded out quickly as simply political granstanding with nothing to back it up. There were the usual grandiose trumpetings on Fox news and by Trumpies here, but it all came to nothing as usual. This will likely do the same.

I expect 4 pages of "We're shocked - and I mean really, really SHOCKED - that the FBI put contents of the Steel memo in the FISA affidavit!" The memo will leave out that the FISA affidavit was 40 pages long and filled with numerous allegations from various different sources and was extensively vetted by the FISA judge.

As the Dem committee members and the FBI themselves are effectively muzzled and can't fight back, this is just one-sided shit-slinging.
Well put, oagre.
Lawfare blog posted a similar note.
First, you need to know all of the facts claimed in the Carter Page FISA affidavit to know if disclosing the funding source of the Steele’s research was even remotely relevant. My understanding is that FISA applications like this are rarely close calls. DOJ usually gives the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] way more than probable cause. (At least that’s my understanding: I was at DOJ and applied for warrants and a Title III order way back when, but I haven’t done any FISC work.) If that’s right, it means that Steele’s research may have been included in the affidavit amidst a ton of other evidence. And if so, the Steele research itself may have been wholly irrelevant to the application. It’s hard to see any significance to whether the funding source of irrelevant research was included. …

Second, even if the Steele research was a major part of the affidavit, whether the funding source would need to be disclosed depends on whether it critically altered the case for probable cause. Some of that would depend on whether the Steele research was corroborated. If the government looked into the Steele memorandum and corroborated some of its claims, it undercuts the need to disclose the funding source. …

To my knowledge, Steele was not some random person motivated by an ongoing personal feud against Trump or Carter Page. … Instead, Steele was a former MI6 intelligence officer and Russia expert. He was hired to do opposition research because of his professional reputation, expertise and contacts. And his work was apparently taken pretty seriously by United States intelligence agencies. Of course, that doesn’t mean that what’s in the dossier is true. Maybe the key allegations are totally wrong. But if you’re trying to argue that Steele’s funding sources ruin the credibility of his research, his professional training and background make that an uphill battle.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/dubious-legal-claim-behind-releasethememo

This memo is a Nunes fudged, politicized, big bag of nothing.
 
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