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5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky

cunning linguist

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... You're right. Those plastic guns ARE exactly like real guns. Thank you for pointing out how a child using a water gun is totally as bad as a child using an actual gun.. It's amazing that I didn't recognize how EXACTLY THE SAME those two things are.

Heck.. We let kids fire water at each other? So OF COURSE we should let them fire bullets at each other!! DUH!! It would be IRRESPONSIBLE NOT TO!
Right, because shooting at paper is the exact same thing as shooting another person. Derp.
 

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I (along with millions of other men in this country) played with plastic guns when I was a kid. At no point did this teach me about "killing" or "hurting" other people. It's a stupid comparison. Get over it.

Regardless of what the manufacturers of this ACTUAL gun intended it to be used for, an actual gun (regardless of how you're trying to market it) is designed to kill. Putting that gun in the hand of a child (or encouraging OTHERS to put the gun into the hands of a child) is reckless and irresponsible.
 

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I (along with millions of other men in this country) played with plastic guns when I was a kid. At no point did this teach me about "killing" or "hurting" other people. It's a stupid comparison. Get over it.

Regardless of what the manufacturers of this ACTUAL gun intended it to be used for, an actual gun (regardless of how you're trying to market it) is designed to kill. Putting that gun in the hand of a child (or encouraging OTHERS to put the gun into the hands of a child) is reckless and irresponsible.
Couldn't have said it better !!

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An image from the webpage of the company that made the gun.
Only in the U.S. where even kids could be a target of gun marketing.


Looking at this picture I would get the dog a bullet proof vest.
 

cunning linguist

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I (along with millions of other men in this country) played with plastic guns when I was a kid. At no point did this teach me about "killing" or "hurting" other people. It's a stupid comparison. Get over it.

Regardless of what the manufacturers of this ACTUAL gun intended it to be used for, an actual gun (regardless of how you're trying to market it) is designed to kill. Putting that gun in the hand of a child (or encouraging OTHERS to put the gun into the hands of a child) is reckless and irresponsible.
And there have been millions of children in the United States and Canada who were taught safe firearms handling and grew up to be responsible gun owners. The idea of putting a firearm in the hands of a child, accompanied by the appropriate training, isn't reckless at all or irresponsible at all, quite the opposite actually.

Giving a child a plastic gun and letting them shoot their siblings and friends doesn't teach them anything positive. Training a child to use a firearm safely can teach them responsibility and respect. I've yet to see a parent buy a plastic gun for their child to teach them:

1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
 

cunning linguist

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One dead child is one too many ... obviously there are parents who AREN'T teaching responsible use, handling and storage, and five year olds who don't listen to instruction. It's a chance most aren't willing to take.
"If it only saves one life..." :rolleyes:

This story is tragic, but when the good outweighs the bad, these rare occurrences can't and shouldn't be exploited to punish the majority of responsible, law abiding people and their children because of the misdeeds of the few. There are millions of other children, who use firearms that haven't done anyone else harm.
 

cunning linguist

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really? hmmmmm

"In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms — three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund.

Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine."


your statistics are a touch off .... rare indeed.
You mean in a country of 316 million? That comes up to a whopping 0.005%
 
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Any word on whether the murderer will be charged and fried yet? Seems like an open and shut case. It's the U.S. after all....

Seriously though, what does it take for these people to wake up? The story uses phrases like "total shock and totally unexpected". Huh? How could this be unexpected when you put a gun in the hands of a five year old ffs?
 

cunning linguist

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Yes, thank you. It's way, way, way more than one life.. thanks for making my point for me.
It's more than one life, I never disputed that, in fact I hate hearing that argument (notice the rolleyes smiley?). There's calculated risk and acceptable loss in everything; policy shouldn't be drafted to affect the remaining 99.095% who have done nothing wrong.
 

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And there have been millions of children in the United States and Canada who were taught safe firearms handling and grew up to be responsible gun owners. The idea of putting a firearm in the hands of a child, accompanied by the appropriate training, isn't reckless at all or irresponsible at all, quite the opposite actually.
If I gave my 5 year old a steak knife to play with it would be reckless.. It doesn't matter how much flaming guidance I gave them, or how many rules I insisted upon following, or how "respectful" they were taught to be of the steak knife. It is reckless.

Not only is it reckless It's also stupid. You know why? BECAUSE THERE'S NO FLAMING REASON A 5 YEAR OLD CHILD NEEDS TO PLAY WITH A FLAMING STEAK KNIFE!

Do you even care to address WHY you feel a 5 year old should need to learn how to fire a gun?
 

cunning linguist

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If I gave my 5 year old a steak knife to play with it would be reckless.. It doesn't matter how much flaming guidance I gave them, or how many rules I insisted upon following, or how "respectful" they were taught to be of the steak knife. It is reckless.

Not only is it reckless It's also stupid. You know why? BECAUSE THERE'S NO FLAMING REASON A 5 YEAR OLD CHILD NEEDS TO PLAY WITH A FLAMING STEAK KNIFE!

Do you even care to address WHY you feel a 5 year old should need to learn how to fire a gun?
So your kid's a dumbass and can't be trusted, big deal, that doesn't mean every child is. Spoon feed your child and keep him in a bubble all you like, but get off your high horse and quit deciding for other parents what's best for their own children. What's with this talk about "playing"? I'm talking about teaching a child how to safely and responsibly utilize an inanimate object.

As for the "why", uh, I've been telling you why in the last few posts, safety. If a child lives in a household that owns guns, it would be wise to teach them how to respect and safely handle those guns.
 

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If society had not restricted the two-year old's second amendment rights, she could of been packing and defended herself.
NRA say the problem is not enough folks are packin'!!!!
If more were packin' someone would have surely plugged that 5 yr old before he shot his sister!!!....:eyebrows:
 

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As for the "why", uh, I've been telling you why in the last few posts, safety. If a child lives in a household that owns guns, it would be wise to teach them how to respect and safely handle those guns.
why is that? don't you keep your guns locked up?
 

cunning linguist

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why is that? don't you keep your guns locked up?
Only to the bare minimum standard to comply with our overbearing and burdensome laws that seek to make criminals out of law abiding citizens at every turn. Are you aware that the laws make provisions for the display of firearms in your own household and that they don't necessarily have to be locked up in a safe? Are you also aware than children are legally allowed to shoot guns, with supervision, in this country?

Everyone's free to choose their own level of involvement, you're free to trust your kids as much or as little as you like. But the idea that a child should never ever handle a firearm under any circumstances is bogus. Last I checked (and my information could be out of date) children could learn marksmanship in Scouts or Cadet programs.
 

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"If it only saves one life..." :rolleyes:

This story is tragic, but when the good outweighs the bad, these rare occurrences can't and shouldn't be exploited to punish the majority of responsible, law abiding people and their children because of the misdeeds of the few. There are millions of other children, who use firearms that haven't done anyone else harm.
Unfortunately that's not always the way it works.

One time, one man put a bomb in his shoe and now every single passenger has to remove their shoes.
 

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Read the attached and tell there isn't something seriously sick about this whole thing. The US is one crazy fucked up place if a majority of the people think it's fine to be marketing deadly weapons to 5 year old boys......and oh yes and nice pink ones for the girls.

According to what was in the National Post this morning 60,000 of these deadly little weapons have been sold.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/05/crickett-rifle-marketing-kids
 
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