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5-year-old shoots 2-year-old sister in Kentucky

afterhours

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Now the 5yo stands to inherit all the family guns.
 

Aardvark154

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One dead child is one too many ... obviously there are parents who AREN'T teaching responsible use, handling and storage, and five year olds who don't listen to instruction.
Yes and this was tragically true in this case. Name a single one of the rules that several of us have posted which this family paid heed to.
 

blackrock13

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Yes and this was tragically true in this case. Name a single one of the rules that several of us have posted which this family paid heed to.
I can't really understand your question, but I do know the child's training, probably from a parent, was lacking somewhere because he pointed his gun at someone. I guess he didn't understand the most basic rule.
 

blackrock13

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So your kid's a dumbass and can't be trusted, big deal, that doesn't mean every child is. Spoon feed your child and keep him in a bubble all you like, but get off your high horse and quit deciding for other parents what's best for their own children. What's with this talk about "playing"? I'm talking about teaching a child how to safely and responsibly utilize an inanimate object.

As for the "why", uh, I've been telling you why in the last few posts, safety. If a child lives in a household that owns guns, it would be wise to teach them how to respect and safely handle those guns.
So basically we just say, ooops, shit happens, sorry pops, better luck next time. I wonder how the father feels about guns now.
 

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Trying to teach a 5 year old responsible gun use is an oxymoron. 5 yr olds haven't developed enough yet to fully understand total responsibility.

Any family that has small children will always be exposed to this type of tragedy because adults tend to slip up every once and a while (ie. forget to lock up guns) and that's when curious kids get hurt(accidentally stumbles on a gun when the parent had a momentary lapse of responsibility)
 

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Yes and this was tragically true in this case. Name a single one of the rules that several of us have posted which this family paid heed to.
That's the issue. For the most part most adults follow the rules, but it takes only one lapse in judgement and an innocent small child has a gun in his/her hands and accidentally shoots. It's the gun culture, it'll take centuries and many unfortunate incidents like this before anything gets done.
 

fuji

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That's the issue. For the most part most adults follow the rules, but it takes only one lapse in judgement and an innocent small child has a car wheel in his/her hands and accidentally puts it gear. It's the car culture, it'll take centuries and many unfortunate incidents like this before anything gets done.
Fixed.
 

cunning linguist

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he doesn't get it. But thanks for that post.



the loss of a child is in nobody's eyes an ACCEPTABLE LOSS... what the fuck are you smoking?
If the idea of installing an in ground pool is still socially acceptable, even though there's still a chance that it will result in children drowning and dying, then yes, there are such things as calculated risks and acceptable losses.
 

blackrock13

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If the idea of installing an in ground pool is still socially acceptable, even though there's still a chance that it will result in children drowning and dying, then yes, there are such things as calculated risks and acceptable losses.
..... and the death total from drowning is about 1/10 that of guns death for children. It looks to be a lot safer to be near water than to be near guns. That may be why it's more acceptable.

It's really entertaining to see you dance around bringing in all sorts of other factors about unrelated things to deflect attention away from the point you running out of ammo..
 

cunning linguist

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..... and the death total from drowning is about 1/10 that of guns death for children. It looks to be a lot safer to be near water than to be near guns. That may be why it's more acceptable.

It's really entertaining to see you dance around bringing in all sorts of other factors about unrelated things to deflect attention away from the point you running out of ammo..
"Running out of ammo" my ass. "Death by firearms" wasn't the 16K statistic displayed earlier, it was firearms related injuries (as in, not necessarily deaths, I'm convinced you failed basic English in grade school) compared against other rare diseases and ailments. The reality is, children are exposed to dangerous household items on a regular basis, yet most of them seem to get by. Nothing wrong with teaching kids how to safely handle, operate and respect these inanimate objects, something that clearly wasn't done in the original article. I see a significant amount of children at the ranges I frequent, all of which exhibit exemplary safety records. This isn't a gun issue, it's a shitty parenting issue.

Wanna guess why the liability insurance afforded by my range and the organization I belong to is a fraction of the cost of my car insurance? It's because shooting is a very safe sport.
 

afterhours

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Meanwhile a 17yo boy cannot decide for himself whether he consents to fucking a 25yo woman or not...

Land of the free!
 

blackrock13

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"Running out of ammo" my ass. "Death by firearms" wasn't the 16K statistic displayed earlier, it was firearms related injuries (as in, not necessarily deaths, I'm convinced you failed basic English in grade school) compared against other rare diseases and ailments. The reality is, children are exposed to dangerous household items on a regular basis, yet most of them seem to get by. Nothing wrong with teaching kids how to safely handle, operate and respect these inanimate objects, something that clearly wasn't done in the original article. I see a significant amount of children at the ranges I frequent, all of which exhibit exemplary safety records. This isn't a gun issue, it's a shitty parenting issue.

Wanna guess why the liability insurance afforded by my range and the organization I belong to is a fraction of the cost of my car insurance? It's because shooting is a very safe sport.
I didn't say the 16,000 represented guns deaths. All i said was the pool death were ~1/10 gun deaths. It's not me that need english lessons. So now we have disease stats and insurance rates being presented as arguments to defend gun death numbers and risk. acceptable or otherwise.

Having a gun in a house significantly increases the risk of death for you, your spouse or your kids, period.

Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.
If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.
Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.
The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.
http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home
 

fun-guy

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lmao, that is such an old, irrelevant argument. A 5 yr old pulling a trigger is the same as a 5 yr putting a car in gear? Hardly, that's a stretch.
 
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