2021-22 Maple Leafs Thread

smuddan

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Unfortunately, your opinion is not influential to what happens...just a silly opinion that having Marner on the team eliminates the Leafs from being a serious contender.
Just another example of what I said about you, you think your opinions are gospel and anything different is silly.
 

mellowjello

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I don't understand the point of posting stats without attaching a constructive point to them,
as if something is self evident about them.
More to the point, I don't understand obsessing over stats from the first ten games, they're one step up from exhibition games.
Then again it might be me who doesn't get the real motivation for people who post them.
 

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More to the point, I don't understand obsessing over stats from the first ten games, they're one step up from exhibition games.
But, we only have 13 games so far to obsess over. Be patient, we'll get to 82 games eventually.
 

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The Campbell contract will be a real problem fitting under the cap.

But it’s a better problem to have then him regressing this year and being cheap
 

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The Campbell contract will be a real problem fitting under the cap.

But it’s a better problem to have then him regressing this year and being cheap
Bigger problem will be finding someone decent to replace Mrazek while he's injured so Campbell doesn't have to play every game.
 

John Wick

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I don't understand the point of posting stats without attaching a constructive point to them,
as if something is self evident about them.
More to the point, I don't understand obsessing over stats from the first ten games, they're one step up from exhibition games.
Then again it might be me who doesn't get the real motivation for people who post them.
Fair points. My posts were really just to call attention to the fact regardless of their recent success, they have really only just clawed their way back up to being a mediocre .500 team. I think a lot of us wanted to believe that this team would be as good or better than what we saw last season when they only played the other Canadian teams. We were assured by Dubas on multiple occasions that that would be the case.

Turns out that so far, not so much. It should definitely be cause for concern in Leafs land. I don't really think this team can go too far into the season trusting Dubas at the helm unless the team really goes on a tear and consistently beats some truly quality teams. Dubas, while handcuffed financially due to his own previous poor decisions, just keeps on the same direction. The acquisition of Mrazek now looks poised to blow up in his face, and hockey insiders say he should have known better, that Mrazek was a known quantity long before being let go by Carolina.

That's why I pointed out the start of the next 10 game block. If after 25 games or so the Leafs are still essentially only a .500 team or worse, I'd expect something significant to change. Could be Dubas. Could be Keefe. Could be a major trade. If it's a trade, we've hashed it all out before, and it seems generally agreed the only way to make a truly impactful change will be to trade one of the big dollar core for high return. To me at least, that looks like Marner as the odd man out. I like Marner. A lot. But business-wise, the Leafs may simply not be able to hold on to him. They also can't wait till they're literally dying to make a move. At that point, any assets they do have start to diminish in value simply because the team is losing, and potential trade returns are negatively affected.
 

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Fair points. My posts were really just to call attention to the fact regardless of their recent success, they have really only just clawed their way back up to being a mediocre .500 team. I think a lot of us wanted to believe that this team would be as good or better than what we saw last season when they only played the other Canadian teams. We were assured by Dubas on multiple occasions that that would be the case.

Turns out that so far, not so much. It should definitely be cause for concern in Leafs land. I don't really think this team can go too far into the season trusting Dubas at the helm unless the team really goes on a tear and consistently beats some truly quality teams. Dubas, while handcuffed financially due to his own previous poor decisions, just keeps on the same direction. The acquisition of Mrazek now looks poised to blow up in his face, and hockey insiders say he should have known better, that Mrazek was a known quantity long before being let go by Carolina.

That's why I pointed out the start of the next 10 game block. If after 25 games or so the Leafs are still essentially only a .500 team or worse, I'd expect something significant to change. Could be Dubas. Could be Keefe. Could be a major trade. If it's a trade, we've hashed it all out before, and it seems generally agreed the only way to make a truly impactful change will be to trade one of the big dollar core for high return. To me at least, that looks like Marner as the odd man out. I like Marner. A lot. But business-wise, the Leafs may simply not be able to hold on to him. They also can't wait till they're literally dying to make a move. At that point, any assets they do have start to diminish in value simply because the team is losing, and potential trade returns are negatively affected.
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In essence I agree with you, some big decisions will have to be made, but my guess is that they won’t be made by Dubas before this season ends. Chances for this team to fall off the cliff in the regular are slim but I’m not as confident on their playoff prospects. I’ve learnt my lesson well not to fall into this false sense of prosperity.

For next season the Leafs will have :

Matthews/Tavares/Marner/Nylander for 40+ millions
Rielly/Muzzin/Brody for $18+ Millions
Mrazek 3.8, Kertfoot 3.5 Richie 2.5

That’s over 68 millions for 9 regulars and a backup goalie. Then they have to budget another 4+ mil for Campbell’s extension. Trading Kertfoot will not be enough. They need to move a lot more salaries.
 
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That’s over 68 millions for 9 regulars and a backup goalie. Then they have to budget another 4+ mil for Campbell’s extension. Trading Kertfoot will not be enough. They need to move a lot more salaries.
I think Dubas was hoping (praying?) for cap inflation.
 

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In essence I agree with you, some big decisions will have to be made, but my guess is that they won’t be made by Dubas before this season ends. Chances for this team to fall off the cliff in the regular are slim but I’m not as confident on their playoff prospects. I’ve learnt my lesson well not to fall into this false sense of prosperity.

For next season the Leafs will have :

Matthews/Tavares/Marner/Nylander for 40+ millions
Rielly/Muzzin/Brody for $18+ Millions
Mrazek 3.8, Kertfoot 3.5 Richie 2.5

That’s over 68 millions for 9 regulars and a backup goalie. Then they have to budget another 4+ mil for Campbell’s extension. Trading Kertfoot will not be enough. They need to move a lot more salaries.
They’re trying to be contenders this year, they’re all signed so you play out this season and see what happens.

For the future, letting Mrazek, Kerfoot and Ritchie go wouldn’t hurt them...Brodie would be next...than you fill out the bottom half of the roster with low paid players, and that’s something Dubas hasn’t got credit for, the Spezza, Simmonds, Engvall, etc signings.
 

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I think Dubas was hoping (praying?) for cap inflation.
In all likelihood the cap will go up, but not to the extent that it solves the Leags cap issues.

Here’s a question, if the Leafs’ window to compete for the cup is 3 years before Matthews/Nylander becomes unrestricted and Tavares/Muzzin/Brody fall Into a steep decline, wouldn’t it make sense to keep Hyman for the monies you pay Mzazek and Richie ? The term could be an issue a few years down the road , but you signed Tavares with the same concerns. Is there another serious contending team which would take Mzazek and Richie over Hyman ? You can throw Kertfoot in there and I would still take Hyman.
 

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In essence I agree with you, some big decisions will have to be made, but my guess is that they won’t be made by Dubas before this season ends. Chances for this team to fall off the cliff in the regular are slim but I’m not as confident on their playoff prospects. I’ve learnt my lesson well not to fall into this false sense of prosperity.

For next season the Leafs will have :

Matthews/Tavares/Marner/Nylander for 40+ millions
Rielly/Muzzin/Brody for $18+ Millions
Mrazek 3.8, Kertfoot 3.5 Richie 2.5

That’s over 68 millions for 9 regulars and a backup goalie. Then they have to budget another 4+ mil for Campbell’s extension. Trading Kertfoot will not be enough. They need to move a lot more salaries.
According to one of our self-appointed Leaf experts (and his 2 pals). There is no cap problem.

Here's what he said on January 23, 2020.
"There is no problem.
Brandon Pridham will see to it.
You really think the Maple Leafs haven't calculated and projected out cap implications for the next 2-3-5 years? "

Then on January 24, 2020 he said:
"You neglect to account for an increase in the Upper Cap Limit."
 

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According to one of our self-appointed Leaf experts (and his 2 pals). There is no cap problem.

Here's what he said on January 23, 2020.
"There is no problem.
Brandon Pridham will see to it.
You really think the Maple Leafs haven't calculated and projected out cap implications for the next 2-3-5 years? "

Then on January 24, 2020 he said:
"You neglect to account for an increase in the Upper Cap Limit."
I can’t speaker for whoever made that comment, but in reality every contending team runs into cap problems, how the team deals with it has a profound impact on the team’s failure or success. The Leafs chose not to keep Hyman and I can’t think of any reasons other than “cap problem”.
 

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I can’t speaker for whoever made that comment, but in reality every contending team runs into cap problems, how the team deals with it has a profound impact on the team’s failure or success. The Leafs chose not to keep Hyman and I can’t think of any reasons other than “cap problem”.
17 teams spend to the cap (15 do not) but does any other team spend $68mm for 9 regulars and a backup goalie. Yes, unless Dubas is suffering from Dementia, he probably wanted to keep Hyman but had no money to do so.

BTW: The cap has remained at $81.5mm for the past two years. No inflationary increase. The Bruins and Islanders actually have cap room as do 9 other teams with plus W-L records.

NHL 2021 Cap Tracker | Spotrac
 
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Nylander probably has the best one timer on the Leafs, even better than Matthews I think. They should design some plays on the pp to set him up for that.
 

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Assuming things go sour and the LEAFS only pick up one, maybe two wins in the next 5 games, my sense is that Dubas will be toast. So who does Shanny bring in as the next GM?
Leafs have won 9 out of last 10...Shanahan better hurry up and fire Dubas before this continues...
 
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Garbage overpaid contract, these bums haven't earned nothing yet, haven't won no playoffs series in the cap era. They probably might not make the playoffs this season.

The only player I liked in this team is Jason Spezza , hard working player
Good call on not making the playoffs...
 
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