ßanning of cigarettes in Äll stores in Mississauga

[hunter001]

I can guarantee you that if everyone on the planet stopped smoking tomorrow, and anyone ever exposed to cigarette smoke died the day after, more and more people would continue to die of lung cancer etc because until we stop polluting the air with internal combustion engines, people won't stop dying.

First I don't care if others smoke as long as it doesn't affect me. Actually in your case tboy I would encourage you to smoke as much as possible.

As far as comparing smoking a weed to the output of machine is inane. No one would argue that internal combustion engine would produce less toxins then a bunch of smokers. No one ever accused the oil/auto industries of being very ethical either.

I see you are on a rant (for at least a week on a variety of issues) so please continue... of course you right.

 

[tboy]

So you agree that engines produce more toxins than smokers, so why aren't you advocating the banning of automotive advertising, hiding the sales of vehicles behind barriers, and working towards the ban of the sale of motor vehicles and all their assorted accroutrements?

Cuz you're a hypocrite that's why.....

And btw fuckwad, I'm not the only one posting here so why don't you comment on THEIR posts too? Cuz you're an idiot.....

 

[Jade4u]

Thats the point my friend. Or tell us what your lifestyle choices are so we can decide what you can and can't do.

Do you get it now ??????

You cannot eat, you cannot drink. Btw who knew that the food and drug administration allows coal tar the same as used in cars in yellow food colouring amongst other dreadful things into our foods. They say it is still in safe amounts for the average adult to consume, but what about the children? Besides are they testing the safeness of it with this food colouring on its own as safe or with the other thousands of chemical foods combined as still being safe mixed together?

My guess is that not everyone has choosen to go organic to avoid all these terrible artificial things that really are terrible artificial things that most do not know what they contain.

But who are we to choose what is allowed and not allowed. That is the right of the government and fda to say ok this is a little poisonous so it is banned and this is terrible but if we disguise it as another name they will not know what it is all about. Who in thier right minds puts faith in the government decisions? Not I

OK so let's ban coke before banning bottled water. Is that going to happen too? Well if they wish to ban coke I would scream about that too as I also enjoy the occasional rum and coke.

I'll tell you what I am against though is people making decisions for me or hiding what is in products. So much for things being rightly labelled. If I am feeding my kids coal tar I want to know and I am all for organics. But, I do not see that available in enough places.

I agree that the government is not doing this for the benifit of the children and as usual there is more of a hidden agenda. I never trust anything or any choices made by anyone accept myself and still say I am free to do with MY health what I choose.

Free Country???

 

[hunter001]

But who are we to choose what is allowed and not allowed. That is the right of the government and fda to say ok this is a little poisonous so it is banned and this is terrible but if we disguise it as another name they will not know what it is all about.

Ummm.... You live in Mississauga right? The FDA doesn't regulate the Canadian market.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is an agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services and is responsible for the safety regulation of most types of foods, dietary supplements, drugs, vaccines, biological medical products, blood products, medical devices, radiation-emitting devices, veterinary products, and cosmetics.

 

[dcbogey]

Because the next step is telling stores to stop selling them all together and when that happens, people will buy their tobacco from criminals.

You mean like these guys?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080507.wcigarettes08/BNStory/National/home

"RCMP target three reserves for contraband tobacco
BILL CURRY
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
May 7, 2008 at 7:24 PM EDT
OTTAWA — The RCMP and the Conservative government are targeting three of the most volatile native reserves in the country as part of a new effort to battle contraband tobacco and organized crime.

A report released Wednesday by Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day and RCMP Assistant Commissioner Raf Souccar singled out Kahnawake in Quebec and Tyendinaga and Six Nations in Ontario as the Canadian sources of illicitly manufactured tobacco."

 

[a 1 player]

I have no problems purchasing my cigarettes from the reserves. The only problem I have is that they are nasty!!! (the cigarettes I mean).

 

[basketcase]

Because the next step is telling stores to stop selling them all together and when that happens, people will buy their tobacco from criminals.

As has been said, they won't give up the tax revenue.

Sorry, I can't get upset over the fact that people won't be able to see the cartons before ordering.

As I said before, porno mags haven't gone away despite being stuck way back on the top shelves, out of easy view and there is far more negative public opinion on 'morality' (see the news about the strip club on Lakeshore) than on smoking. If you don't believe that, compare the number of people who are willing to say in public that they view porn to the numbers who are open about smoking. Can you picture announcing to the boss that you're going out for a porn break? Playboy is still sitting on store shelves despite the poor product placement, the secrecy involved in buying them, and competition from the internet. Cigarettes can also survive that same kind of placement, especially since the latter two factors don't apply.


My view of this is that it is not a campaign to stop people from smoking but to prevent new people from starting and the measures so far seem to be slowly working. You can go on smoking if you want (or go on trying to quit like many smokers I know). Some kids will also smoke but there will be less and less of you out there over the years. At some point in the future, it might even get to the point where producing smokes just isn't profitable. Until the profit goes away for the companies, stores, and the government, you'll still be able to buy your precious.

 

[Jade4u]

I have no problems purchasing my cigarettes from the reserves. The only problem I have is that they are nasty!!! (the cigarettes I mean).

No don't do that you are my best hope so far IF this happens. I do not want those shitty reserve cigarettes either. (barf) If you start growing your own I could be your first customer.

 

[a 1 player]

No don't do that you are my best hope so far IF this happens. I do not want those shitty reserve cigarettes either. (barf) If you start growing your own I could be your first customer.

I quite like the barter system (wink).

 

[Jade4u]

I still do not trust anything they do. Do you recall when donut shops had to install those seperate rooms off to the side with ventilation for the smokers to smoke in thier own sections if the stores still wanted to allow for the smokers to stick around and not leave. Well, many donut shops spent huge bucks to install those rooms so that the smokers could still stay on the premises. Then after that they had to take them away as they did not allow for smoking inside at all. Smokers now go in get coffee and have to leave.

There is one donut shop I used to frequent quite often in Oakville that I used to sit in that smoking room. Even with the ventillation it was not that great as you were still packed in there like cattle. I thought it ridiculous when in there because there was only about 3 customers in the rest of the place meanwhile there were about 15 smokers crowded into that section alone.

The point is though is that they wasted thier money building those sections and I wonder if they are wasting thier money setting this up now again too.

 

[Jade4u]

I quite like the barter system (wink).

Ahhh nah I'll be buying unless of course I like you then I'll just have to rape and kidnap you for my own purpose cause I am single again too.

 

[basketcase]

I would think that adding impulse items to the space behind the cashier will likely make up for the cost rearranging some shelves.

 

[a 1 player]

You are correct, the government totally went back on their word to the resteraunt owners. I believe this is just another step. Just as an oak tree takes several years to grow, we are still seeing the seeds being planted at this time.

Or as Mr. Lahey on the Trailer Park Boys says...

"If you plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds".

 

[hunter001]

Smokers now go in get coffee and have to leave.

A bit dramatic don't you think? You can stay and drink your coffee like the other customers you just can't smoke.

(It is humanly possible to drink coffee and not smoke)

 

[Jade4u]

A bit dramatic don't you think? You can stay and drink your coffee like the other customers you just can't smoke.

(It is humanly possible to drink coffee and not smoke)

Yeah it is humanly possible but I prefer to leave. So, I am one that my purchases end there now and I head off to a park in the summer and sit under a tree at a picnic table or something.

I am sure many other smokers now do the same thing. If they stay they do not stay as long as they used to and order a second or possibly third cup anymore.

I used to work in a donut shop myself and recall the days when people would come in and sit long durations reading papers, smoking and chatting around the tables. Some used to sit for a few hours too ordering coffee after coffee that thier ashtrays would get so full they used to get up themselves and empty them themselves and go sit back down.

I am sure that it has cut back on sales from people such as this.

Sure there is still the ones that hang out around the donut shops from the outside smoking.

 

[baci2004]

(It is humanly possible to drink coffee and not smoke)

Coffee was invented by smokers so they could stay awake longer and smoke more.

 

[Jade4u]

Coffee was invented by smokers so they could stay awake longer and smoke more.

roflmao I do wonder. They do go great together.

 

[hunter001]

Yeah it is humanly possible but I prefer to leave.

Big difference between "I prefer" and "have to leave".

I am sure that it has cut back on sales from people such as this.

I guess but I see more Timmies every day. The donuts probably taste better without a thick coat of smoke on them. I am sure the non-smoking staff prefer the way it is now.

As long as Quebec is part of the country smokes aren't going to be banned. I believe all the non-first nations tobacco organizations are head quartered there.

 

[tboy]

Coffee was invented by smokers so they could stay awake longer and smoke more.

I guess we invented sex too because nothing goes better after a good romp like a good smoke!

As for the donut shop discussion: I know after the total ban about 20 - 30 % went under and closed their doors.

I know restaurants and bars noticed a 60 - 70% decline in business in the months following the ban but I read somewhere that the numbers started to pick up once patrons were provided with smoking areas outside the bar proper, yet still be allowed to re-enter without having to go through the main line again.

I don't have the numbers on hand but toronto has passed a law that patrons can't even smoke outside the club anymore.

Sorry, and hunter is probably all for this ban, but that is taking it just a little too far.....