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ßanning of cigarettes in Äll stores in Mississauga

Jade4u

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After this ban is complete where does everyone intend on getting thier cigarettes from. A few days ago I was in a gas station and informed that soon they were not allowed to sell them anymore and again tonight I was in Macs and was told it will soon be illegal for all stores to sell cigarettes. :confused:
 

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If need be I will grow tobacco myself. I used to work on a tobacco farm as one of my first jobs.

That being said, I am (usually) a pipe smoker, and over the past several years I have been accumulating tobacco in a tobacco cellar, (like a wine cellar). I now have about 40 lbs. preserved. Most people do not know, but tobacco ages much the same as wine does. After several years it becomes much more mellow and flavorful.

The WORST thing one can do to cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco is to store it in the fridge.
 

Jade4u

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Well it is true and my intent is to find someone close enough to me to start buying from.

What are they thinking that they can force every single smoker in sauga to stop smoking immediatly by force?
 

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Is this by chance what you meant?


Cigarette store display ban about saving lives: Ont. premier
Last Updated: Monday, April 21, 2008 | 12:19 PM ET Comments38Recommend13
The Canadian Press

Ontario smokers will soon have to thumb through a binder to pick the brand of their choice at convenience stores as the province ushers in a ban on cigarette displays, which the government says is necessary to save lives, despite growing concern among store owners.

While Ontario's 10,000 convenience stores say half of them won't be ready to hide all their smokes by the province's May 31 deadline, Premier Dalton McGuinty said businesses have had years to comply with new rules he said will make smoking less of a temptation for kids.

"This is a health issue," McGuinty said.

"Don't we have to put health first? You ask any parents — smokers and non-smokers alike — 'Do you want your kids to start smoking?' They'll all give you the same answer, 'Of course I don't.'

"Science has demonstrated that these power walls are effective at enticing kids so we want to get beyond that."
Out of sight, out of mind

The new ban prevents all tobacco products from being displayed in any way and prohibits customers from even touching them before they're paid for. The province says store owners have to make sure tobacco products aren't displayed to any potential customer at any time, including during restocking or inventory checks.

Store owners can't put cigarettes behind "garage-style" or cupboard doors that open to display the entire inventory. Curtains or blinds are also not acceptable. The province suggests overhead containers or below-the-counter drawers that are only visible behind the counter.

It's time convenience stores stopped selling cigarettes right beside "Twizzlers and hockey cards," said Minister of Health Promotion Margarett Best.

"The industry knew this was coming for over three years," Best said in the legislature recently. "We are working with our partners to ensure a smooth transition."
More time needed: store owners

But many say the switch is going to be anything but smooth. While Best said enforcement officers have visited over 5,000 Ontario stores to prepare them for the new law, many say store owners need more time and government support.

Although the display ban was passed under the Smoke-Free Ontario Act two years ago, store owners didn't get the specific requirements until the end of January.

The Ontario Convenience Stores Association says it's going to cost many retailers up to $2,500 to build new storage units and dismantle the so-called "power walls."

Quebec's display ban also comes into effect at the end of May, so the limited number of companies that make the required storage units are already backed up, association president Dave Bryans said.

All tobacco products will be covered up in some way by May 31, using shower curtains if necessary, said Bryans. But that won't be enough to protect store owners from over-zealous tobacco enforcement officers, he added.

"We're not here to argue about it," said Bryans, adding store owners have given up fighting the merits of the ban itself. "Time has just run out."

The tobacco ban is a double whammy for store owners who are already losing a quarter of their cigarette sales to smuggled smokes, Bryans said. Instead of chasing down errant store owners who are covering up their power walls with a towel, Bryans said the province should channel that energy into stopping illegal cigarette smuggling.

"Convenience stores won't go out of business because they've covered the tobacco walls," Bryans said. "They'll go out of business because our regular customers are getting product 10 times cheaper than we can sell it to them so they're not buying gum, chips, pop or lottery tickets."

Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory said the Liberal government is showing it's completely insensitive to the plight of small-business owners while it ignores the growing illegal cigarette trade.

It's time the Liberals gave store owners some flexibility on the May 31 deadline and turned their attention to stopping the flow of illegal smokes, he said.

"They don't realize that these kinds of convenience stores provide an awful lot of jobs for an awful lot of people," Tory said.

New Democrat Cheri DiNovo said the display ban on tobacco products should have been brought in a long time ago. But she said it's wrong to rush it through now without any support for retailers.

The province could replace tobacco advertising with some healthy advertising of its own and boost the commission store owners get from lottery tickets to make them less dependent on tobacco sales, DiNovo said.

"The government can't just leave them out to dry," she said. "You can't just do it on the backs of retailers. You've got to help them out."
 

Rising Sun

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I had thought it was that stores could not display them behind the counter?
If you wanted cigarettes, you would have to ask the employee for them and they would then bring them out from under the counter? Not sure what this does though or what the government is trying to do?
 

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As a non-smoker, i have been quietly in favour of most of the deterrents against smoking, especially in public places. However, I think it's going too far to ban the display and/or sale of cigarettes.

Pretty soon, someone will decide that chocolate is bad for me and I'll have to play 20 questions with the store clerk to see if they have Mars bars.
 

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Lou Siffer said:
As a non-smoker, i have been quietly in favour of most of the deterrents against smoking, especially in public places. However, I think it's going too far to ban the display and/or sale of cigarettes.
Same here.
 

Jade4u

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I guess that is what I am talking about but both locations told me that soon it would be illegal for them to even sell them. :eek: If that is the case I was hoping to be prepared. I hope at least it stays like this and not a total ban. I myself just did a search and found this one http://www.thestar.com/article/420226 in hopes of finding out when etc...
 

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Lou Siffer said:
As a non-smoker, i have been quietly in favour of most of the deterrents against smoking, especially in public places. However, I think it's going too far to ban the display and/or sale of cigarettes.

Pretty soon, someone will decide that chocolate is bad for me and I'll have to play 20 questions with the store clerk to see if they have Mars bars.
As a smoker I agree with you, (imagine that):D . I have no issues not smoking in public places, and I believe people have a right to be in a smoke free environment. Actually, I like to be in one as well when I am in a resteraunt. My problem with the 'Smoking Nazi's' is different though.

The problem being is that this is an issue of control, not an issue of freedom of choice. Yes, smoking is bad, yes it shortens life expectancy, but it is up to me to judge whether I wish to partake. Once smoking is abolished (and it will be), what is next? Chocolate bars? Fried foods? Red meat? seem far fetched... Have you seen school cafeterias recently? There has to be some degree of freedom where a person can decide in which way they want to live. The choice is becoming smaller and smaller and soon there will be no choice at all. The battle I have is not with smoking, but the supression of freedom.
 

hunter001

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A simple way to make sure that minors don't purchase cigarettes is scan the customer's health card prior to purchase. If the person is of age then no problem... ;)
 

The Bandit

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Nothing is going to be illegal about selling them, just displaying them openly will be.
 

smylee52

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The Bandit said:
Nothing is going to be illegal about selling them, just displaying them openly will be.
Costco has been doing this for some time . No big deal .
 

Jade4u

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The Bandit said:
Nothing is going to be illegal about selling them, just displaying them openly will be.

I don't know, maybe not for now. I did not like what I was told or the way the wording in the star article sounded when it said, But soon those "power walls," as they are called, will come tumbling down. Or at the very least, they'll be shrouded from public view.

Maybe it is best to voice opinions before it becomes too late and this right is taken away completly.
 

STASH

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It's way too late for anything but a temp delay to help retailers get the proper displays and equipment. I know as I'm an insider to this situation.
The thing is retailers were only made available the info on how exactly you can display them legally. The fucking government still has not mailed out any regulations to stores. Store have had to dig up the exact requirments in the last month or so all on their own.
Most small stores are so close to finished already that this will take serveral in your hometown right out.
This is one of the most unfair things done to retailers in the last 20 years. Afer all cigarettes aren't even illegal.

Anyway small stores have been made the bad guy in very tobacco debate or argument by the non smoking lobby. They do all the evil things these ass wipes think that tobacco can do.
 

STASH

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Don't worry Jade...you'll be able to buy them......you just aren't allowed to see them before you pay or while paying.

There is even restrictions on how long they can be exposed while the poor clerk searches for your order. Your not supposed to see them while he/she gets them.....how fucked is that.
What are they supposed to do....waive a magic wand ????
 

Jade4u

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Here is further information I received after my e-mail

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If you do not wish to e-mail maybe even sending in a letter or calling.

While you are at it you may also wish to voice your opinions on the government doing away with the reading of the Lord's Prayer in the Ontario legislature?

What other things are going to change?
 
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