they deported some, most gang affiliated mostly. i mean, being detained in an ice facility isn't deportation yet.
Immigration from incompatible cultures
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And that’s what I’m trying to say that they do have a major role behind everything immigration. Yes they do not lay down the immigration laws word by word by they do influence immigration. Trudeau was backed by this community for a decade and that’s why he was so lenient towards this community who were coming in irrespective of criminal records in their home country. Also to mention Indian community is different from Sikh (khalistani) community. The latter conspired within their own community which forced Trudeau to breach relationship with India. How else do you explain when Pierre was the next one in line to take the throne, out of nowhere carney came in a few months before, nobody ever heard of him in existence just become the PM? Liberal will always stay in power because of the support they are getting from this community.
If you really follow immigration thing, there are people coming into country in the name of religious identity without having to worry about any documentation. It’s no
but again also know there is a difference in Indians and Khalistani community (who are culturally Indian citizens but have revolted against india to form their own country)
the problems we see in Canada is originally due to the latter community.Since they all are indian practically, yet they are different.
Everyone is hating on brown people without knowing the deep rooted resentment deliberately created by Khalistani people
Obama used executive action to temporarily give protected status to undocumented people who arrived in the US as children, and curbed deportations from the interior states of the country. His focus, particularly toward the end of his administration, was on quick “returns” of new arrivals at the border who were perceived to have had fewer ties in the US – though that, controversially, included the same types of Central American migrants whose arrival has swamped the border this year.
The libertarian Cato Institute crunched the data and demonstrated that deportations from the interior of the country – meaning away from the border, so, people who have likely been in the country longer – were on the downswing during most of the Obama administration.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics/trump-mass-deportations/index.html
Trump has sought to end Obama’s program shielding undocumented young people from deportation and has reversed the trend on internal deportations as he’s sought to remove more people, including those who have been in the country a long time.
However, Trump still has not reached anywhere near the level of interior removals as the early Obama administration, according to Cato’s analysis of data through 2018.
The libertarian Cato Institute crunched the data and demonstrated that deportations from the interior of the country – meaning away from the border, so, people who have likely been in the country longer – were on the downswing during most of the Obama administration.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics/trump-mass-deportations/index.html
Trump has sought to end Obama’s program shielding undocumented young people from deportation and has reversed the trend on internal deportations as he’s sought to remove more people, including those who have been in the country a long time.
However, Trump still has not reached anywhere near the level of interior removals as the early Obama administration, according to Cato’s analysis of data through 2018.
They are not just being detained, they are deporting without due process.
Bottomline is they are not presenting them in immigration court.
I just don't think the Khalistani issue is the major issue in Canada barring the few instances of violence during protests.
While I think Trudeau handled the issue with India very badly, where he initially threw blame and subsequently did not even bother to present evidence or see it through to closure, I think that was an unforced error by Trudeau and not a Khalistani conspiracy.
Pierre being voted out was his own doing.
He was a glorified sloganeer who didn't inspire confidence that he'd be able to deal with Trump in any meaningful way and didn't have much ammo after the carbon tax was repealed.
I can agree the Sikh community does have an influence and while they may have a certain influence on immigration laws, I just don't see them being powerful enough to influence immigration in a big way.
Also, the hatred of brown people we see today, is not their doing.
There are far right home grown malcontents, that have always hated not just the brown community, but every other minority community for a long time.
They used to be on the fringe but now emboldened by MAGA, maple MAGA and other far right movements, have reared their ugly heads and attached themselves to mainstream right wing populism.
Indians and Muslims are their latest targets because they are the most prominent and the most numerous immigrant groups.
When an individual is detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), they may be held to ensure their presence for immigration proceedings or removal, especially if they are deemed a flight risk, national security threat, or public safety risk. Once in custody, the individual's case is reviewed, and they may be released under certain conditions, released on bond (though this is becoming less frequent with higher bond amounts), or remain in detention as removal proceedings begin. During this time, they have the right to seek legal counsel and may be granted a hearing before an immigration judge.
Just look at Ogie Ogilthorpe, Canada refused to accept him after he was deported from the US...
What you are not paying attention to, is that none of these processes are being followed.
They are being herded into horrible conditions at these detention camps and then put in chains, in flights and deported without due process.
No legal counsel, no immigration court appearance.
Hence it is unconstitutional.
I even heard a large amount of people while being detained by ice at a facility just vanished overnight. People suspect they have been executed and now they are not to be found, no warrants, no documentation of their arrests or anything. Just poof…
You mean a sovereign country can refuse entry to anyone, as they see fit?
You are the rando in question, rich.
You gonna declare this fake news now?
Let's be clear.
He shouldn't be able to deport immigrants without due process.
Since he is in the midst of an authoritarian consolidation, whether or not he actually can is in flux right now.
(He already has after all.)
This is not true.
That rule (14 days/100 miles) was a rule, not a law.
Trump expanded the rule to:
- Any noncitizen who arrived at a port of entry, at any time, and is determined to be inadmissible for fraud or misrepresentation or lacking proper entry documents and
- Any noncitizen who entered without inspection (by land or sea), was never admitted or paroled, is encountered anywhere in the United States, and cannot prove that they have been physically present in the United States for the two years preceding the immigration officer’s determination that they are inadmissible for fraud or misrepresentation or lack of proper entry documents.
There are still supposed to be procedures and checks other than "the agent decides this is good enough" but a LOT of power has been placed in individual agents to just deport whomever they choose.
It is an argument.
It's just one that relies on being very authoritarian in your mindset.
If I am understanding this currently, the only change seems to be to where the immigrant is apprehended - i.e anywhere in the US vs the previous within 100 air miles of the US border.
The other rule for continuous presence in the US for 2 years, is afaik a part of federal law and still applies.
Meaning if someone is undocumented and has been here longer than 2 years, they still are not eligible for expedited removal.
However given the average length of stay for an undocumented immigrant is far greater than 2 years, I believe the administration is still illegally deporting these individuals without due process.
Perhaps you addressed that in your next statement about the power the ICE agent has.
No.
There was also a change about the two weeks thing.
Obama's rules let you use expedited removal only in the case of 2 weeks and 100 miles.
Basically, the rule was "we caught you coming in so we can kick you out without a lot of hoops".
Anything more ambiguous than that required more steps.
(Even with that, there were many complaints of CBP abusing the power during that time.)
Oh, no one doubts that ICE and CBP are currently illegally deporting people.
They've already been found to be doing so by courts and by investigative journalism.
I'm just saying that the "100 miles and two weeks" thing is no longer operative.
This is what the left support. Why?
What will happen is that eventually "they" will form their own "political parties," and that's when people will state: "How did this happen?"
