Immigration from incompatible cultures

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I don't think that's accurate. They were given the option to go back to the 3rd world country they came free plane ride.

Nope, there are no options.
Deportations work based on agreements between the US and the countries to which the person is being deported.
If a country refuses to take its own citizens back, then the Trump administration is sending them to THIRD countries, not because the immigrants are given a choice, but because the administration chose it for them and in some cases sending them to prisons like the one in El Salvador.

 

[richaceg]

Nope, there are no options.
Deportations work based on agreements between the US and the countries to which the person is being deported.
If a country refuses to take its own citizens back, then the Trump administration is sending them to THIRD countries, not because the immigrants are given a choice, but because the administration chose it for them and in some cases sending them to prisons like the one in El Salvador.

why would their own country refuse them?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

why would their own country refuse them?

Variety of reasons.
The country may not have a reciprocal agreement with the US, the deportee may not have proper citizenship documents, political disputes (this happened when Colombia turned back a US plane full of Colombian deportees earlier in the year because they weren't shown proper respect and put in chains), Human rights concerns etc.,

 

[Callmerey]

The conservatives CAN get immigrant groups to vote for them, as I don't believe every immigrant is a liberal, but the CPC needs to disavow maple MAGA, neo-Nazis and other far right malcontents.
As long as Pierre keeps cozying up to these groups, immigrants will overwhelmingly vote liberal.

Again, you are not understanding the point and foundation behind this. This is a political game of votes, support (financial and communitarian). How many times do you see before any election the candidates be is liberal or conservative going to church or mosques or temples? They always end up in Gurudwaras, ALWAYS. You should get an insight from this. And yeah don’t think it’s only Canada, this community is operated from all over the world. Funding comes from all over the world by this group. You really need to sit and have conversations with these senior people of this community and organization to learn more

 

[richaceg]

Variety of reasons.
The country may not have a reciprocal agreement with the US, the deportee may not have proper citizenship documents, political disputes (this happened when Colombia turned back a US plane full of Colombian deportees earlier in the year because they weren't shown proper respect and put in chains), Human rights concerns etc.,

well reading what you just wrote, is it bad to deport those in a different 3rd world?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Again, you are not understanding the point and foundation behind this. This is a political game of votes, support (financial and communitarian). How many times do you see before any election the candidates be is liberal or conservative going to church or mosques or temples? They always end up in Gurudwaras, ALWAYS. You should get an insight from this. And yeah don’t think it’s only Canada, this community is operated from all over the world. Funding comes from all over the world by this group. You really need to sit and have conversations with these senior people of this community and organization to learn more

Well, yes it is common knowledge that politicians receive money from donors and lobbyists and that includes the Sikh lobby, which is what I think you are referring to.
And yes, both the CPC and the Liberals wear the turban and hang out with them come election time.
However, I don't think beyond votes in the constituencies where they are in the majority, it has much impact on whether or not the Liberals or the CPC come to power, or even that they impact immigration laws in a major way.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

well reading what you just wrote, is it bad to deport those in a different 3rd world?

Yes. Unconstitutionally deporting someone to an unknown 3rd country is of course bad.

 

[richaceg]

Yes. Unconstitutionally deporting someone to an unknown 3rd country is of course bad.

it's not unknown. and from what i've seen, it's just gang affiliated illegal.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

it's not unknown. and from what i've seen, it's just gang affiliated illegal.

It is unknown and unrelated to the deportee. They are not from there.
And no, they are deporting anyone, not just gang affiliated ones to a 3rd country.

 

[richaceg]

It is unknown and unrelated to the deportee. They are not from there.
And no, they are deporting anyone, not just gang affiliated ones to a 3rd country.

they deported some, most gang affiliated mostly. i mean, being detained in an ice facility isn't deportation yet.

 

[Callmerey]

Well, yes it is common knowledge that politicians receive money from donors and lobbyists and that includes the Sikh lobby, which is what I think you are referring to.
And yes, both the CPC and the Liberals wear the turban and hang out with them come election time.
However, I don't think beyond votes in the constituencies where they are in the majority, it has much impact on whether or not the Liberals or the CPC come to power, or even that they impact immigration laws in a major way.

And that’s what I’m trying to say that they do have a major role behind everything immigration. Yes they do not lay down the immigration laws word by word by they do influence immigration. Trudeau was backed by this community for a decade and that’s why he was so lenient towards this community who were coming in irrespective of criminal records in their home country. Also to mention Indian community is different from Sikh (khalistani) community. The latter conspired within their own community which forced Trudeau to breach relationship with India. How else do you explain when Pierre was the next one in line to take the throne, out of nowhere carney came in a few months before, nobody ever heard of him in existence just become the PM? Liberal will always stay in power because of the support they are getting from this community.

If you really follow immigration thing, there are people coming into country in the name of religious identity without having to worry about any documentation. It’s no

Well, yes it is common knowledge that politicians receive money from donors and lobbyists and that includes the Sikh lobby, which is what I think you are referring to.
And yes, both the CPC and the Liberals wear the turban and hang out with them come election time.
However, I don't think beyond votes in the constituencies where they are in the majority, it has much impact on whether or not the Liberals or the CPC come to power, or even that they impact immigration laws in a major way.

but again also know there is a difference in Indians and Khalistani community (who are culturally Indian citizens but have revolted against india to form their own country)

the problems we see in Canada is originally due to the latter community.Since they all are indian practically, yet they are different.
Everyone is hating on brown people without knowing the deep rooted resentment deliberately created by Khalistani people

 

[richaceg]

Obama used executive action to temporarily give protected status to undocumented people who arrived in the US as children, and curbed deportations from the interior states of the country. His focus, particularly toward the end of his administration, was on quick “returns” of new arrivals at the border who were perceived to have had fewer ties in the US – though that, controversially, included the same types of Central American migrants whose arrival has swamped the border this year.

The libertarian Cato Institute crunched the data and demonstrated that deportations from the interior of the country – meaning away from the border, so, people who have likely been in the country longer – were on the downswing during most of the Obama administration.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics/trump-mass-deportations/index.html
Trump has sought to end Obama’s program shielding undocumented young people from deportation and has reversed the trend on internal deportations as he’s sought to remove more people, including those who have been in the country a long time.

However, Trump still has not reached anywhere near the level of interior removals as the early Obama administration, according to Cato’s analysis of data through 2018.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

they deported some, most gang affiliated mostly. i mean, being detained in an ice facility isn't deportation yet.

They are not just being detained, they are deporting without due process.
Bottomline is they are not presenting them in immigration court.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

And that’s what I’m trying to say that they do have a major role behind everything immigration. Yes they do not lay down the immigration laws word by word by they do influence immigration. Trudeau was backed by this community for a decade and that’s why he was so lenient towards this community who were coming in irrespective of criminal records in their home country. Also to mention Indian community is different from Sikh (khalistani) community. The latter conspired within their own community which forced Trudeau to breach relationship with India. How else do you explain when Pierre was the next one in line to take the throne, out of nowhere carney came in a few months before, nobody ever heard of him in existence just become the PM? Liberal will always stay in power because of the support they are getting from this community.

If you really follow immigration thing, there are people coming into country in the name of religious identity without having to worry about any documentation. It’s no

but again also know there is a difference in Indians and Khalistani community (who are culturally Indian citizens but have revolted against india to form their own country)

the problems we see in Canada is originally due to the latter community.Since they all are indian practically, yet they are different.
Everyone is hating on brown people without knowing the deep rooted resentment deliberately created by Khalistani people

I just don't think the Khalistani issue is the major issue in Canada barring the few instances of violence during protests.
While I think Trudeau handled the issue with India very badly, where he initially threw blame and subsequently did not even bother to present evidence or see it through to closure, I think that was an unforced error by Trudeau and not a Khalistani conspiracy.
Pierre being voted out was his own doing.
He was a glorified sloganeer who didn't inspire confidence that he'd be able to deal with Trump in any meaningful way and didn't have much ammo after the carbon tax was repealed.
I can agree the Sikh community does have an influence and while they may have a certain influence on immigration laws, I just don't see them being powerful enough to influence immigration in a big way.
Also, the hatred of brown people we see today, is not their doing.
There are far right home grown malcontents, that have always hated not just the brown community, but every other minority community for a long time.
They used to be on the fringe but now emboldened by MAGA, maple MAGA and other far right movements, have reared their ugly heads and attached themselves to mainstream right wing populism.
Indians and Muslims are their latest targets because they are the most prominent and the most numerous immigrant groups.

 

[richaceg]

They are not just being detained, they are deporting without due process.
Bottomline is they are not presenting them in immigration court.

When an individual is detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), they may be held to ensure their presence for immigration proceedings or removal, especially if they are deemed a flight risk, national security threat, or public safety risk. Once in custody, the individual's case is reviewed, and they may be released under certain conditions, released on bond (though this is becoming less frequent with higher bond amounts), or remain in detention as removal proceedings begin. During this time, they have the right to seek legal counsel and may be granted a hearing before an immigration judge.

 

[silentkisser]

why would their own country refuse them?

Just look at Ogie Ogilthorpe, Canada refused to accept him after he was deported from the US...

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

When an individual is detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), they may be held to ensure their presence for immigration proceedings or removal, especially if they are deemed a flight risk, national security threat, or public safety risk. Once in custody, the individual's case is reviewed, and they may be released under certain conditions, released on bond (though this is becoming less frequent with higher bond amounts), or remain in detention as removal proceedings begin. During this time, they have the right to seek legal counsel and may be granted a hearing before an immigration judge.

What you are not paying attention to, is that none of these processes are being followed.
They are being herded into horrible conditions at these detention camps and then put in chains, in flights and deported without due process.
No legal counsel, no immigration court appearance.
Hence it is unconstitutional.

 

[Callmerey]

What you are not paying attention to, is that none of these processes are being followed.
They are being herded into horrible conditions at these detention camps and then put in chains, in flights and deported without due process.
No legal counsel, no immigration court appearance.
Hence it is unconstitutional.

I even heard a large amount of people while being detained by ice at a facility just vanished overnight. People suspect they have been executed and now they are not to be found, no warrants, no documentation of their arrests or anything. Just poof…

 

[southpaw]

If a country refuses to take its own citizens back

You mean a sovereign country can refuse entry to anyone, as they see fit?

 

[Frankfooter]

Franky isn't gonna like your post...lmao.

You are the rando in question, rich.

You gonna declare this fake news now?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1991320622623039844