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Britain worked all day to restore Ukraine’s contact with US
Mar 05, 2025

Telegraph: Britain worked all day to restore Ukraine’s contact with the US

British officials worked ‘all day’ on Tuesday to restore contact between Ukraine and the United States after an altercation between Volodymyr Zelensky and US President Donald Trump in the Oval Office of the White House, the British newspaper Telegraph reported.

Earlier, the Telegraph newspaper reported that British Prime Minister Keir Starmer had asked Vladimir Zelensky to return to the White House and mend relations with US President Donald Trump after their meeting on Friday.

‘On Tuesday, British officials ‘all day at various levels’ were in contact with the US trying to secure Zelensky’s return,’ the publication said, citing a UK government source.

According to the source, it was an ‘ongoing conversation’ and not just phone calls.

US President Donald Trump told off Vladimir Zelensky at the White House last week when he arrived to sign an agreement on joint development of Ukrainian subsoil resources. The US president demanded that Zelensky agree to a ceasefire and stop criticising Russian President Vladimir Putin. Vice President J.D. Vance called Zelensky an ungrateful campaigner for the Democrats when he began justifying his moves, blaming Russia and even threatening the U.S. that it would feel the effects of the conflict even though it was separated by an ocean. The Kiev delegation was asked to remove themselves from the White House and no agreement was signed. Later, the speaker of the US House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, said that Zelensky should come to his senses and return to the negotiating table, otherwise Ukraine would have to be led by someone else.

Media: Britain worked all day to restore Ukraine’s contact with US – Global Euronews

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Skoob said:
It was related because the Nazi that Trudeau invited to parliament was Ukrainian and you brought up Walesa who is Polish who stated that Trump reminded him of what the Nazis did in Poland during WW2...and I did say it reminded me of the time Trudeau fucked up again and invited a Nazi to parliament and you gave him another pass.

So completely related here.

Trump wants peace. Zelensky wants money and war. Trudeau has "donated" more than Canada can afford while neglecting his own country.

Learn the differences and it will all make sense to you eventually.
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Once again it was NOT Trudeau who invited that Ukrainian War veteran, but the Speaker of the House who was then forced to resign over it.
We know that you guys just do not want to accept that fact. But why did even Pee Pee loudly applaud this war veteran?
100% not related as we are discussing about the USA, and not Canada.

We know that you as a cult follower of Trump will make excuses for his support of the real war monger called Putin. As usual you won't answer a very simple question. Who started that was by invading another Nation's territory........... Zelenskyy or Putin?
Then don't you think that the Nation that was invaded, then had to defend itself? Did not Ukraine voluntarily give up its Nuclear Weapons when it signed a treaty with Russia in 1993?
You keep on buying constant far right conspiracy theories about Zelenskyy wanting "war" when all he wants is for the Russians to pull out its troops from Ukraine. What right does Russia have to annex Ukraine?
 
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No one in their right mind would make any kind of deal with Trump. He's liar, cheat and a bad faith negotiator who breaks the deals he makes and constantly moves the goal posts. In short, an assclown of the highest order. The only time he ever told the truth was when he said whoever signed the USMCA was an idiot. Right on, Don, because it was you who signed that trade deal that you are now breaking.....idiot!
 
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Zelensky is going back to the WH...he doesn't want European help...he wants US
 
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wigglee said:
No one in their right mind would make any kind of deal with Trump.
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You have no idea how desperate the situation on the battlefield to Ukraine is.
Conclusion of the deal will not result in an immediate ceasefire. But without
the deal signed you can be sure more Ukrainians are going to be killed and more
infrastructures destroyed in the coming days.

If I were Zelensky I would have two options to consider.

I would first look to how the leaders of Germany avoided the responsibillity
of decision-making in ensuing peace talks near the end of WWI. Erich Ludendorff
and Kaiser Wihelm ll just stepped down so the ones to negotiate peace with the
allies were scapegoated later for the loss of the war.

Alternatively I would go ahead to sign the mineral deal. After hostlities
end on the battlefield and some sort of ceasefire agreement with Putin
reached I would see to it exploration and preliminary devlopmental works
on Ukraine's rare mineral mines would proceed smoothly. Once I decided
that sufficient capital expenditures have been channeled into mining operations
for Ukraine to take over I would nationalize all the U.S. controlled mines, kick
out American miners and confiscate their properties and mining equipments

The 2nd option which is a mission on the goal to defeat American
imperialistm may take some years to accomplish. Zelensky may have
to count on his successor to get the job done.



He's liar, cheat and a bad faith negotiator who breaks the deals he makes and constantly moves the goal posts. In short, an assclown of the highest order. The only time he ever told the truth was when he said whoever signed the USMCA was an idiot. Right on, Don, because it was you who signed that trade deal that you are now breaking.....idiot!
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
He is not capitulating.
He said even before the WH meeting that he is ready to sign a mineral deal with the US for security guarantees.
He is saying the same thing now.
I posted his tweet above.
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I'm not even sure he has said that the security guarantees are a condition of the minerals deal.
The security guarantee conversation came up when the subject moved to diplomacy with Russia (when Z challenged JD on it).

The minerals deal (as last we saw it) just has this language.

"The Government of the United States of America supports Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace."

The mineral deal never was a hang up to security guarantees, it was beside the point.

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He was not trying to augment the deal with the security guarantees.
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Exactly.
The document that Trump agreed to had language expressly stating it was a first step as part of a path to peace and that the US supported Ukraine's efforts to obtain security guarantees.
 
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Skoob said:
You must have watched a different meeting:


"I hope that this document will be the first step to real security guarantees for Ukraine," he said.
"It will not work without security guarantees," the Ukrainian president added."
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Exactly.
Just as the mineral agreement document said.
 
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richaceg said:
Why didn't the Biden administration wasn't able to provide security guarantees?
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What negotiated deal would they be providing security guarantees for?
As far as I know, Biden never said that a cease fire and/or peace deal with Russia would have no defense commitments.
 
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bver_hunter said:
Once again it was NOT Trudeau who invited that Ukrainian War veteran, but the Speaker of the House who was then forced to resign over it.
We know that you guys just do not want to accept that fact. But why did even Pee Pee loudly applaud this war veteran?
100% not related as we are discussing about the USA, and not Canada.

We know that you as a cult follower of Trump will make excuses for his support of the real war monger called Putin. As usual you won't answer a very simple question. Who started that was by invading another Nation's territory........... Zelenskyy or Putin?
Then don't you think that the Nation that was invaded, then had to defend itself? Did not Ukraine voluntarily give up its Nuclear Weapons when it signed a treaty with Russia in 1993?
You keep on buying constant far right conspiracy theories about Zelenskyy wanting "war" when all he wants is for the Russians to pull out its troops from Ukraine. What right does Russia have to annex Ukraine?
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The buck stops with the government in power. You can stop making excuses for him now...he's thankfully gone anyway...turfed by his own party... you can now start fresh with making new excuses for our unelected PM who is essentially adopting Conservative policies to stay in power. Hmmmmm....will the real Liberals please stand up! Lol!

"Not one inch eastward."
You should learn your history before making silly statements that make you look foolish.

https://natowatch.org/newsbriefs/20...misled-over-assurances-against-nato-expansion
 
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Never heard of that "natowatch" website.... but Gorbachev himself said there were no promises on NATO expansion.

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No”
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Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...
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Valcazar said:
Interesting.
Putin insists on a security guarantee.

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I don't know about the details pertinent to the security guarantee
Putin insists on or his thoughts. But I think I can tell for sure it doesn't
entail obligations on the part of NATO and Ukraine sending him military
and economic aid. In all likelihood Putin would not expect the U.S.
or Europe coming to his rescue if Russia is invaded or is the one invading
its neighbor. He could of course hire mercenaries from North Korea.
 
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Drawing a line: A ‘Swiss army knife’ of options for achieving a sustainable ceasefire in Ukraine

The GCSP is pleased to present its 'Ceasefire Toolkit' a comprehensive resource developed with insights from world-renowned ceasefire experts.

Executive summary: Elements of a deal

  • Conclusion of a ceasefire agreement between Ukraine and Russia, if necessary with the involvement of a mediator(s).
  • Agree on a ceasefire line and codify it since it will be the basis from which the parties must withdraw.
  • Create a Joint Military Coordination Commission (JMCC) to enable mil‑to‑mil contacts and coordination through which the parties can exchange information and hold each other accountable. Bilateral cooperation could be augmented by a third-party Multilateral Liaison Team.
  • Agree on a buffer zone and limitation zones for heavy weapons.
  • Deploy an international monitoring and verification mission to monitor the ceasefire and verify the withdrawal of heavy weapons.
  • Engage countries, particularly from Europe, to provide troops and leadership to the international monitoring mission and to liaise with Ukraine and Russia through the JMCC to end the violence and reduce the risk of its recurrence.
  • Carry out humanitarian demining, particularly in the buffer zone, to clear an area where international monitors can operate, and people displaced by the violence can return.
  • With the consent of the parties, open humanitarian corridors across the ceasefire line to enable freedom of movement and access for recovery and reconstruction.
  • Engage with civil society to address the needs of the affected populations and create opportunities for affected communities themselves to be agents of change.
  • Agree on security guarantees to reduce the likelihood of a resumption of hostilities.
  • Use the ceasefire as a first step towards a broader package of agreements including a political settlement as well as arms control agreements and confidence- and security-building measures between NATO and Russia and strategic stability between the United States and Russia as well as discussions on the future of European security

www.gcsp.ch

GCSP Tailored Document | Drawing a line: A ‘Swiss army knife’ of options for achieving a sustainable ceasefire in Ukraine

The GCSP is pleased to present its 'Ceasefire Toolkit,' a comprehensive resource developed with insights from world-renowned ceasefire experts.
www.gcsp.ch www.gcsp.ch
 
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oil&gas said:
I don't know about the details pertinent to the security guarantee
Putin insists on or his thoughts. But I think I can tell for sure it doesn't
entail obligations on the part of NATO and Ukraine sending him military
and economic aid. In all likelihood Putin would not expect the U.S.
or Europe coming to his rescue if Russia is invaded or is the one invading
its neighbor. He could of course hire mercenaries from North Korea.
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Are you under the delusion that a security guarantee is a thing that means "NATO comes and sends you military aid"?
 
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oil&gas said:
5 March 2025
Drawing a line: A ‘Swiss army knife’ of options for achieving a sustainable ceasefire in Ukraine

The GCSP is pleased to present its 'Ceasefire Toolkit' a comprehensive resource developed with insights from world-renowned ceasefire experts.

Executive summary: Elements of a deal

  • Conclusion of a ceasefire agreement between Ukraine and Russia, if necessary with the involvement of a mediator(s).
  • Agree on a ceasefire line and codify it since it will be the basis from which the parties must withdraw.
  • Create a Joint Military Coordination Commission (JMCC) to enable mil‑to‑mil contacts and coordination through which the parties can exchange information and hold each other accountable. Bilateral cooperation could be augmented by a third-party Multilateral Liaison Team.
  • Agree on a buffer zone and limitation zones for heavy weapons.
  • Deploy an international monitoring and verification mission to monitor the ceasefire and verify the withdrawal of heavy weapons.
  • Engage countries, particularly from Europe, to provide troops and leadership to the international monitoring mission and to liaise with Ukraine and Russia through the JMCC to end the violence and reduce the risk of its recurrence.
  • Carry out humanitarian demining, particularly in the buffer zone, to clear an area where international monitors can operate, and people displaced by the violence can return.
  • With the consent of the parties, open humanitarian corridors across the ceasefire line to enable freedom of movement and access for recovery and reconstruction.
  • Engage with civil society to address the needs of the affected populations and create opportunities for affected communities themselves to be agents of change.
  • Agree on security guarantees to reduce the likelihood of a resumption of hostilities.
  • Use the ceasefire as a first step towards a broader package of agreements including a political settlement as well as arms control agreements and confidence- and security-building measures between NATO and Russia and strategic stability between the United States and Russia as well as discussions on the future of European security

www.gcsp.ch

GCSP Tailored Document | Drawing a line: A ‘Swiss army knife’ of options for achieving a sustainable ceasefire in Ukraine

The GCSP is pleased to present its 'Ceasefire Toolkit,' a comprehensive resource developed with insights from world-renowned ceasefire experts.
www.gcsp.ch www.gcsp.ch
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Ukraine and Russia will not agree with a 3rd party overseer...If U.S. decides to walk away and leave it to EU...Ukraine will collapse.only 2 things could happen through a ceasefire deal, have the election and let the Ukrainians decide whether they want a EU / US puppet or a Russia puppet to lead them...
 
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