Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil

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All an subjective opinion..Listen the real Nazis have been dead for years and years now...You can keep on resurrecting their spirits but no one that has a brain will buy into these scare tactics
No one with a brain would deny what Trump is doing is very Nazi like. It's not all about the Jews, but the fascist dictatorship, the scapegoating of immigrants of colour, the quelling of dissent and the military occupation of US cities is very Hitlerish.
 

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It doesn't add up, if Nick Fuentes is antismeitic, Ivanka converted to Judaism since she married Kushner and Trump is very close with Israel, would he really invite an antisemite to his place?
Do you really have your head in the sand, or do you just memory hole any bad thing Trump does? I mean, he also had Kanye West, who has repeatedly said he was a Nazi and has made many antisemitic remarks over the years. But, that's not all. He's also hosted several other white supremacists, like Timothy Hale-Cusanelli.

Despite the fact that Trump has grandchildren who are jewish, he really doesn't seem to care that much. And, let's not forget his remarks on race, saying he didn't want black accounts, only jews could handle his money....
 
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Do you really have your head in the sand, or do you just memory hole any bad thing Trump does? I mean, he also had Kanye West, who has repeatedly said he was a Nazi and has made many antisemitic remarks over the years. But, that's not all. He's also hosted several other white supremacists, like Timothy Hale-Cusanelli.

Despite the fact that Trump has grandchildren who are jewish, he really doesn't seem to care that much. And, let's not forget his remarks on race, saying he didn't want black accounts, only jews could handle his money....

I guess Trump is so antisemitic that Israel thought it'd be a good idea to put Trump's name up on the Golan Heights sign?
Kanye West said that George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose, where others are saying it was police force, which was it for you? Should get an interesting answer.

Cusanelli just tells me Trump is unpredictable then and you can't guess what he will say or do next.



Israel captured the Golan from Syria in a 1967 war and annexed it, in a move not recognized internationally. The United States broke with other world powers last month when Trump signed a decree recognizing Israeli sovereignty there.
"All Israelis were deeply moved when President Trump made his historic decision," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a video statement made on the Golan.
He added that, after the Jewish Passover festival, he would "bring to the government a resolution calling for a new community on the Golan Heights named after President Donald J. Trump."
Trump's Golan move followed his decision in December 2017 to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, breaking with decades of U.S. policy over the status of a city contested by the Palestinians.
Israel has said separately that, in appreciation of the U.S. president, it intends to name a proposed train station near Jerusalem's Western Wall after him.


I can't see how he's antisemitic.
 

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Clearly not.
And if people don't buy into this, Pierre would have won the elections and instead he blew a 20 point lead and lost his own riding.
So sure, keep pushing the idea that there is no more Nazism because it exists all over the world.
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Taken out of context, they were saying/implying that Trudeau was acting like a dictator freezing bank accounts, not letting people to protest freely which was their right.
I would have thought you would be okay with protesting freely in a country where it's allowed.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Taken out of context, they were saying that Trudeau was acting like a dictator freezing bank accounts, not letting people to protest freely which was their right.
I would have thought you would be okay with protesting freely in a country where it's allowed.
In general, yes I am okay with protesting.
But I am not okay with protests with Nazi flags, confederate flags during a pandemic against measures that are meant to save lives.
 

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In general, yes I am okay with protesting.
But I am not okay with protests with Nazi flags, confederate flags during a pandemic against measures that are meant to save lives.
And those people felt that the country was being forced and co-erced to do what the government was telling them to do, hence the Nazi flag you posted out of context.
 

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And those people felt that the country was being forced and co-erced to do what the government was telling them to do, hence the Nazi flag you posted out of context.
Pandemic measures are not coercion.
And there is no context where a Nazi flag is acceptable.
 

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Pandemic measures are not coercion.
And there is no context where a Nazi flag is acceptable.
"In January 2024, the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the federal government's use of the Emergencies Act in 2022 to clear "Freedom Convoy" protesters was unreasonable and violated the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. "
..other aspects were ruled differently.


To those protestors it felt acceptable to wave that flag next to Trudeau's name. You'd have to take them on about it, sorry don't know their personal info. lol
 

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To those protestors it felt acceptable to wave that flag next to Trudeau's name. You'd have to take them on about it, sorry don't know their personal info. lol
The ruling from the court calling Trudeau's use of the EA to clear convoy protestors, was not an endorsement of the Nazi flag.
There is no disagreement with any government measure during such a pandemic that justifies flying the Nazi flag.
 

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The ruling from the court calling Trudeau's use of the EA to clear convoy protestors, was not an endorsement of the Nazi flag.
There is no disagreement with any government measure during such a pandemic that justifies flying the Nazi flag.
Not saying it was an endorsement of the Nazi flag. lol
 

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I guess Trump is so antisemitic that Israel thought it'd be a good idea to put Trump's name up on the Golan Heights sign?
Kanye West said that George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose, where others are saying it was police force, which was it for you? Should get an interesting answer.

Cusanelli just tells me Trump is unpredictable then and you can't guess what he will say or do next.



Israel captured the Golan from Syria in a 1967 war and annexed it, in a move not recognized internationally. The United States broke with other world powers last month when Trump signed a decree recognizing Israeli sovereignty there.
"All Israelis were deeply moved when President Trump made his historic decision," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a video statement made on the Golan.
He added that, after the Jewish Passover festival, he would "bring to the government a resolution calling for a new community on the Golan Heights named after President Donald J. Trump."
Trump's Golan move followed his decision in December 2017 to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, breaking with decades of U.S. policy over the status of a city contested by the Palestinians.
Israel has said separately that, in appreciation of the U.S. president, it intends to name a proposed train station near Jerusalem's Western Wall after him.


I can't see how he's antisemitic.
Remember, US foreign policy and many in the GOP are staunchly pro-Israel. Ted Cruz says one of the reasons why he ran for the senate was to support Israel, even though he appears clueless about the country. Why are so many conservative christians interested in protecting Israel, regardless of the horrible things they have done? Well, one point is that Israel is the only "democracy" and ally for the US. The other, they don't believe the end of days/return of Jesus can happen without a state of Israel. So they do anything to support Israel...

Now, neither Kanye nor I are medical experts. I don't make claims on things I don't know anything about. What I can tell you is the medical experts say and testified that while Floyd we high, it was not enough to kill him. But, having a police officer kneel on his neck for over nine minutes significantly contributed to his death. And, a jury of the cops peers agreed with that medical testimony. You might not like it, you might think Floyd deserved to die. But, the reality is, the cop used an unsanctioned manoeuvre and could have gotten off him much sooner than needed.

Now, the thing about Trump, in case you didn't notice, he LOVES people kissing his ass. If Venezuelan president Maduro started to praise Trump for showing being such an effective leader, I can almost guarantee that Trump could stop the boat assassination program or threaten to invade/bomb the country. Putin flatters him (or holds his leash, that is up for debate), and he bends over backwards for him, saying Putin is more truthful than his own intelligence community. And Nick and Kanye both kissed his ass and got invites to Mar-A-Lago. Can you honestly tell me that Trump has no gatekeeper that would allow or block problematic people for meeting with him? Do you think they ask Trump? Maybe Trump agrees with what they say, maybe not all of it, but enough to want to hear it from the horses mouth. Have you seen any other mainstream politician in the last 30 years breaking bread with a noted white supremacist (I should also point out, because you may not know, but the vast majority of white supremacists hate jews, catholics, asians and so forth)?

You can try and pretend that Trump is not a racist, but the evidence of what he says, how he says it and who he choses to publicly meet with sends a message. Much of it is the so-called "Dog Whistle," but he does it, and does it frequently.
 

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In general, yes I am okay with protesting.
But I am not okay with protests with Nazi flags, confederate flags during a pandemic against measures that are meant to save lives.
Nazi flags, lol....And before you post pictures about the few,

Those protestors were taking a page out of your book implying that Trudeau and his government had turned Canada into a Nazi state by enforcing mandates on their citizens. Once told by the other protestors and organizers to take them down they were quickly removed...Liberals of course used what happened to their political advantage smartly by trying to paint all of the movement as Nazi sympathisers.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Those protestors were taking a page out of your book implying that Trudeau and his government had turned Canada into a Nazi state by enforcing mandates on their citizens.
But Trudeau and his government hadn't turned Canada into a Nazi state because pandemic measures are justified and infact required.
Pandemic measures are public health measures and not authoritarian.
So the only reason they flew those flags, including the confederate flags is because they are actual Nazis.
In general, it would be crazy to claim that Nazism doesn't exist in the world today.
 

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. Have you seen any other mainstream politician in the last 30 years breaking bread with a noted white supremacist (I should also point out, because you may not know, but the vast majority of white supremacists hate jews, catholics, asians and so forth)?

You can try and pretend that Trump is not a racist, but the evidence of what he says, how he says it and who he choses to publicly meet with sends a message. Much of it is the so-called "Dog Whistle," but he does it, and does it frequently.
Now Joe Biden was a good friend of Robert Byrd. He eulogised him at his funeral...Clinton and Barrack spoke as well..You're going to say Byrd was a reformed white supremist so all is good there...I'm of the mind that somewhere down the line he sat down with people who opposed his views which convinced him of the error of his ways...Although years later he did criticize Clinton for wanting to legalize gay marriage...

I will give Biden his due...He would talk to the other side of the aisle whereas that is verboten by the leftists of today.
 

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But Trudeau and his government hadn't turned Canada into a Nazi state because pandemic measures are justified and infact required.
Pandemic measures are public health measures and not authoritarian.
So the only reason they flew those flags, including the confederate flags is because they are actual Nazis.
No their intent was that Trudeau had turned Canada into a Nazi state.

I can only assume since you've only been here since 2023 that you have no knowledge of the ideology of the Freedom Convoy if you are not aware that they considered Trudeau governments measures to be ''authoritarian''.
 
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No their intent was that Trudeau had turned Canada into a Nazi state.
I can only assume since you've only been here since 2023 that you have no knowledge of the ideology of the Freedom Convoy if you are not aware that they considered Trudeau governments measures to be ''authoritarian''.
No their intent was that they were far right extremists and they were using the freedom convoy to push their ideology.
Trudeau objectively had not turned Canada into anything authoritarian, so they were wrong either way.
 
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No their intent was that Trudeau had turned Canada into a Nazi state.

I can only assume since you've only been here since 2023 that you have no knowledge of the ideology of the Freedom Convoy if you are not aware that they considered Trudeau governments measures to be ''authoritarian''.
Right, they wanted the freedom to be sick and make others sick.
Congrats on bringing back measles.

so much freedom

 
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