That would be nice, but you perfectly know that nobody will put names here. And if a name is drop, you know this person will login here and say it's not true.
Ottawa is Dead
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I truly don’t understand why not. This is no different from posting someone who scams deposits. If you have receipts, just post them. This is something we share in back channels as well. No one wants to associate with someone who is undermining other workers.
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I find it interesting that information meant to harm or deter, like warning clients about scams or fake bookings, is freely shared, yet the same energy isn’t applied when it comes to protecting workers. There’s talk right now about certain people, whether agencies, spas, or other independents, targeting touring or new girls in Ottawa with fake bookings to keep them from coming back.
Part of me wonders if clients stay vague because they know exactly who’s doing it and don’t want to jeopardize their personal relationship with that SP or agency. Speaking up might mean losing access or perks they get from those connections, so they choose to stay quiet instead.
If we’re going to talk about scams and wasted time, it should go both ways. Holding everyone accountable, clients, workers, and agencies alike, is what would actually shift the culture here. A little collective accountability could create a safer, more respectful, and more professional environment for everyone involved.
And honestly, if someone or an entity is engaging in this kind of behavior but also has a “do not review” policy, it’s hard to see why that should shield them. Having a no-review rule shouldn’t be a free pass to treat clients or other workers poorly. People are quick to discuss problems in private, but rarely take action. It raises the question, how can mods justify removing posts when the behavior being discussed harms both clients and workers?
Part of me wonders if clients stay vague because they know exactly who’s doing it and don’t want to jeopardize their personal relationship with that SP or agency. Speaking up might mean losing access or perks they get from those connections, so they choose to stay quiet instead.
If we’re going to talk about scams and wasted time, it should go both ways. Holding everyone accountable, clients, workers, and agencies alike, is what would actually shift the culture here. A little collective accountability could create a safer, more respectful, and more professional environment for everyone involved.
And honestly, if someone or an entity is engaging in this kind of behavior but also has a “do not review” policy, it’s hard to see why that should shield them. Having a no-review rule shouldn’t be a free pass to treat clients or other workers poorly. People are quick to discuss problems in private, but rarely take action. It raises the question, how can mods justify removing posts when the behavior being discussed harms both clients and workers?
And truthfully, if you’re one of the people who complains that Ottawa lacks talent and you’re forced to settle for what you call “C-class” options, yet you stay silent when you know exactly who is sabotaging newcomers, that silence is complicity. You can’t lament a stagnant scene while protecting the very players who keep it stagnant. If you hold proof of this kind of behavior, bring it forward. Staying quiet while benefiting from access and then criticizing the state of things is exactly why nothing improves.
Clients stay vague because they can't prove the allegations. But we hear it. Be sure that if we were 100% sure of who does what, we would've said it. Do you really think that any client would be there in an incall with a provider at the time she would do some fake booking? Be serious...
The intensity of the fake booking is too high, here in Ottawa, and nobody can understand why. Seriously, fake booking, who benefit from it? I don't understand what clients will get as a benefit, to fake book a SW.
Another thing is there are things that are allowed to be said, other not, in a public forum like Terb. You perfectly know that if certain things are said here, it will be removed. And people get banned. No real client contributor want to be ban!
Fair enough, let’s not spread rumours without proof. Another good way of ruining a provider’s reputation is to spread fake news about them, so I agree we shouldn’t participate in that.
But this is not exactly Watergate, just send someone trusted a tip privately so that we can investigate and crack the case ourselves! The point is not to wreck another person’s business, but help us help you remove barriers to connecting.
I will get banned or my post removed if I say so. I am very curious to why you are against my comment. If you are not one of them, pass
Ottawa gentlemen are very annoyed by the fact we lose many sps to abnormal fake bookings. I just said what I've heard from reputable people, I never said it was fact but it does indeed makes lots of sense. We can't investigate further with terb because sps will come out of the wood and ask a mod to close this post or ban me. If something is very abnormal, it is worth pointing out. It also allows touring sps to know what they are getting into in Ottawa so they can act accordingly. Not normal that many of us have to go to Toronto or Montreal.
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OK, I get the comment about possibly being banned which is why I suggested sharing information privately to figure out what is going on.I will get banned or my post removed if I say so. I am very curious to why you are against my comment. If you are not one of them, pass
Ottawa gentlemen are very annoyed by the fact we lose many sps to abnormal fake bookings. I just said what I've heard from reputable people, I never said it was fact but it does indeed makes lots of sense. We can't investigate further with terb because sps will come out of the wood and ask a mod to close this post or ban me. If something is very abnormal, it is worth pointing out. It also allows touring sps to know what they are getting into in Ottawa so they can act accordingly. Not normal that many of us have to go to Toronto or Montreal.
But sir, don’t even try to suggest it’s me, you are barking way up the wrong tree. And if you want to go there, let’s go because I have nothing to hide and have only ever use my energy to support other workers.
What I have found from using IPQS is that its scammers fake booking me. Since I stopped talking to people with a high fraud/abuse score and I report every suspiscious number.
If there's too much bs going on, I just stop accepting bookings from texting apps entirely but I give people an option to make a deposit or provide a selfie with their photo identification.
Most people don't take me up on it and I completely understand but I have to do something to try and manage all the fake bookings.
So far it's worked like a charm. I have had the most peaceful month of my life. It really helped me focus my energy where it belonged , and if someone starts acting funny , I just block them and report their number so that next time they might show up with a fraud/abuse score.
Ever since another worker completely crashed out and started making weird posts and threatening me and my family, i've been super selective , and I don't tolerate any bs, and it really helped. Honestly this other worker having a mental health crisis and coming for me for some reason made me tighten things up and learn how to do more research into people.
I feel like it really has reflected well in the service that I provide now too.Because i'm not burnt out from being verbally abused by strangers and being fake booked. I can put my energy into pleasing the people that are real. My clients are genuinely saying really positive things because my whole attitude has changed since I don't have to tolerate any more verbal abuse and fake bookings.
I don't work as much as other people , but I haven't had a fake booking for almost two weeks. I haven't engaged with an abusive person for about 2 weeks as well.
Using IPQS has been life-changing and for some reason , they had an issue with their website for one day. I had so much anxiety about not knowing anything about the people contacting me, I just refused to work that day until they contacted me back and fixed the issue.
It's completely free and they have customer service.
I don't come close to needing their paid service, but even their paid service is very affordable. If I did this full time I would probably pay for it.
If there's too much bs going on, I just stop accepting bookings from texting apps entirely but I give people an option to make a deposit or provide a selfie with their photo identification.
Most people don't take me up on it and I completely understand but I have to do something to try and manage all the fake bookings.
So far it's worked like a charm. I have had the most peaceful month of my life. It really helped me focus my energy where it belonged , and if someone starts acting funny , I just block them and report their number so that next time they might show up with a fraud/abuse score.
Ever since another worker completely crashed out and started making weird posts and threatening me and my family, i've been super selective , and I don't tolerate any bs, and it really helped. Honestly this other worker having a mental health crisis and coming for me for some reason made me tighten things up and learn how to do more research into people.
I feel like it really has reflected well in the service that I provide now too.Because i'm not burnt out from being verbally abused by strangers and being fake booked. I can put my energy into pleasing the people that are real. My clients are genuinely saying really positive things because my whole attitude has changed since I don't have to tolerate any more verbal abuse and fake bookings.
I don't work as much as other people , but I haven't had a fake booking for almost two weeks. I haven't engaged with an abusive person for about 2 weeks as well.
Using IPQS has been life-changing and for some reason , they had an issue with their website for one day. I had so much anxiety about not knowing anything about the people contacting me, I just refused to work that day until they contacted me back and fixed the issue.
It's completely free and they have customer service.
I don't come close to needing their paid service, but even their paid service is very affordable. If I did this full time I would probably pay for it.
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It's really sad because there were a few girls that were regulars where im from that moved to that area thinking it was greener pastures. I think it's been hard on everyone everywhere.
Honestly, if I had high expenses I probably couldn't make a living.
Honestly, if I had high expenses I probably couldn't make a living.
I’ll have to take other people‘s word for it if they’re saying it’s dead as I do the majority of my business on tour now so that I can relax more when I’m home. I do find there’s a natural lull this time of year and at any given time there are some people smashing while others are quiet. It’s nothing to panic about, the business always comes back and we can’t go balls to the walls 24/7 anyway. Downtime are perfect to take a vacation or do admin.
In addition to some of the strategies above, I would suggest finding a way to screen text apps, I have a system that does that automatically for me I can share if you DM, and implementing either a deposit or refrence policy.
In addition to some of the strategies above, I would suggest finding a way to screen text apps, I have a system that does that automatically for me I can share if you DM, and implementing either a deposit or refrence policy.
No where in my comment I said it was you. I have this philosophy where if the hat fits you, it fits you, if it does not, it does not.
I'm out. I Did not expect to brew that much crap over something even touring sps know.... a very abnormal amount of fake booking compared to other places and some info I got from reputable sources which would make the hypothesis legit. No where near I blamed someone specifically in my initial comment. Have fun everyone!
100%. A lot of people won't say it out loud because of potential backlash but I've started to do this myself and know several others that have too.
Don't get me wrong there are good options in ottawa too but montreal is just a completely different level. Not mention when you take the price and services into account it's a no brainer.
I'm sure its probably some of the other reasons that have been already mentioned as to why ottawa feels dead but I also feel like if some of the people who used to book $400/$500 per hour sps are taking their money elsewhere that might be contributing as well.
Don't get me wrong there are good options in ottawa too but montreal is just a completely different level. Not mention when you take the price and services into account it's a no brainer.
I'm sure its probably some of the other reasons that have been already mentioned as to why ottawa feels dead but I also feel like if some of the people who used to book $400/$500 per hour sps are taking their money elsewhere that might be contributing as well.
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I think you should reread your post. If I misinterpreted it, it’s because it’s badly written. Sorry I upset you, just be careful how you write things
I agree it seems like an abnormal amount of fake bookings/TWs and surely we can figure out who the main culprit or culprits are. Instead of having hypotheses and speculating wildly, let’s just share information privately, so we can deduce who the problem is and share strategies to avoid their shenanigans.
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This is not always about the rates or the services. Even when you offer more, as an independent companion you still get poor-quality inquiries. At some point you ask yourself why you are putting in so much effort and energy — even before the booking — for such a small return.
Rate includes much more than just the time we spend together. It covers admin work, photoshoots, marketing, the cost of an upscale downtown Ottawa incall, and other expenses. Clients only need to focus on enjoying a good time. SPs focus on giving client a great experience so he wants to come back — but costs needs to be covered.
Agencies share their expenses between several companions, so their costs are lower almost nothing in term of %. An independent companion has to pay everything alone, so the rate needs to reflect that.
I hope this helps you understand different business structure and the reality.
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You quoted the wrong guy. I've never spent $400 or $500 for an hour. Never will. My limit is $300 for the hour. And yes I understand the difference between independents and agencies. You're free to charge whatever you want and I'm free to spend however I like
Thank you for the great response. I completely understand. And you should charge as much as it makes sense to you.
But probably the reasons you mentioned are the reasons why we might need an agency here in Ottawa. Think about all the time that some providers spend advertising themselves, responding to texts, responding to Twitter DMs, responding to emails, dealing with finding a space to host, having to have a constant online presence, etc. In the meantime, some of these Montreal providers who work in an agency do not even have a twitter or a way to contact them privately. But once you see them, you know you are expecting a very good service with a very reasonable price.
Surely, the independence will appeal to some and that is fine. But also not having the burden to do all those things yourself, will appeal to some others, who do not consider this a major project in their life, but perhaps something part time or something they would only do for a year or two.
I am not against independent providers. I am simply for both: independent providers and an agency like eupharisgirls in Montreal. And probably a lot of clients here agree.
