Ottawa is Dead

[Theredmilf]

Why not start a Montreal agency thread here? I know merb exists but it's weird to navigate through that and information we provide will be shared between Ottawa goers. I just have a feeling not enough men willing to drive to Montreal for the experience because they are lazy. But I'm telling you if enough people like me, ym7921, Deviance and Jeremy456 do this, we can get momentum going. It's definitely worth it. $270 for some of the most gorgeous young gals is worth the drive and gas once a week or month.

You don’t need permission or other guys on board for that, you have the power. By all means drive to Montreal or fly to Thailand if you like. What does momentum have anything to do with it? Just do what you want, no one is stopping you.

 

[Jeremy456]

Why not start a Montreal agency thread here? I know merb exists but it's weird to navigate through that and information we provide will be shared between Ottawa goers. I just have a feeling not enough men willing to drive to Montreal for the experience because they are lazy. But I'm telling you if enough people like me, ym7921, Deviance and Jeremy456 do this, we can get momentum going. It's definitely worth it. $270 for some of the most gorgeous young gals is worth the drive and gas once a week or month.

Drove Sunday morning. Zero traffic. Did it in 1 hour and 50 minutes. Went to see one of the girls there at euphoria. Went for to a lovely restaurant (even the restaurants are better there lol) and then a nice stroll in old Montreal. And then drove back.

Was never more relaxed to start work again on Monday hahahaha
My boss even asked me why I was so happy.

 

[lunaseraphim]

I do offer some of the services you mentioned loving — I even offered them when my rate was $400/h. But that never stopped many men from making the booking process harder and more complicated.

This is not always about the rates or the services. Even when you offer more, as an independent companion you still get poor-quality inquiries. At some point you ask yourself why you are putting in so much effort and energy — even before the booking — for such a small return.

My rate includes much more than just the time we spend together. It covers my admin work, photoshoots, marketing, the cost of an upscale downtown Ottawa incall, and other expenses. My client only needs to focus on enjoying a good time. I focus on giving him a great experience so he wants to come back — but I also need to cover my costs.

Agencies share their expenses between several companions, so their costs are lower almost nothing in term of %. An independent companion has to pay everything alone, so the rate needs to reflect that.

I hope this helps you understand different business structure and the reality.

I feel the same way.

Also I find it unfortunate that Montreal is seen as a destination for cheap services from girls who have less boundaries.. As a Montreal provider, this is what makes me want to tour to different cities right now.. I feel like my rates are affordable and they include a lot of services, same thing with a lot of independent providers I know, but our rates are always criticized and demanding clients always want more..

You don't see the dark side of things as a client. Girls are constantly pressured to offer more for less. A lot of girls I've spoken to who work for agencies and spas here in Montreal have told me horror stories, things have gotten worse for them in the past few years.. Demanding and cheap clients, boundary pushing, demands for BBFs, assault & theft etc. I think rates are cheaper in Montreal because the rent and cost of living used to be cheaper but it's no longer the case. People want to keep coming here and get the same advantages and pay the same price but they don't understand that things have changed and they push for us to keep the same low rates.

A couple of weeks ago I had a client come up from NYC.. He was sweet, but he told me something that made me kinda mad. He had given me luxury escorts who charge 1000$ USD an hour as references, who of course never replied. He said he comes up to Montreal because ''us montreal escorts truly love sex and we charge low because we aren't doing it for the money'' LOL

 

[Jeremy456]

I feel the same way.

Also I find it unfortunate that Montreal is seen as a destination for cheap services from girls who have less boundaries.. As a Montreal provider, this is what makes me want to tour to different cities right now.. I feel like my rates are affordable and they include a lot of services, same thing with a lot of independent providers I know, but our rates are always criticized and demanding clients always want more..

You don't see the dark side of things as a client. Girls are constantly pressured to offer more for less. A lot of girls I've spoken to who work for agencies and spas here in Montreal have told me horror stories, things have gotten worse for them in the past few years.. Demanding and cheap clients, boundary pushing, demands for BBFs, assault & theft etc. I think rates are cheaper in Montreal because the rent and cost of living used to be cheaper but it's no longer the case. People want to keep coming here and get the same advantages and pay the same price but they don't understand that things have changed and they push for us to keep the same low rates.

A couple of weeks ago I had a client come up from NYC.. He was sweet, but he told me something that made me kinda mad. He had given me luxury escorts who charge 1000$ USD an hour as references, who of course never replied. He said he comes up to Montreal because ''us montreal escorts truly love sex and we charge low because we aren't doing it for the money'' LOL

If the stories are so bad and horrifying, then why are still so many of them working there and not becoming an indy? It makes no sense.

 

[Jeremy456]

You don’t need permission or other guys on board for that, you have the power. By all means drive to Montreal or fly to Thailand if you like. What does momentum have anything to do with it? Just do what you want, no one is stopping you.

Why are you so mad?

 

[lunaseraphim]

If the stories are so bad and horrifying, then why are still so many of them working there and not becoming an indy? It makes no sense.

There are many reasons why women keep working for spas and agencies. Really often women who enter the industry need an environment to work in, none of us have experience or access to incalls or a network. There are advantages to working in places like these, you don't have to screen or advertise clients, you are often told it's safer to work for these places than on your own, you don't have to do bureaucratic work and post on social media all the time. You don't have to work on branding. A lot of girls who work for these places don't have the energy, time or skills to become an indy, and the industry is competitive so often colleagues don't want to give advice.

A lot of people I know who are now independent told me they were told by their employers they would never succeed independently, they don't understand that there are different types of clients who want different things, so they stay because they are afraid to not get any work outside of this. I used to charge agency rates and I did have some great clients but a lot of them were really demanding and I felt dehumanized and objectified by them.

I don't want to completely write off agencies as these horrible working environments and if you want to come here just for the agencies go for it, all I'm saying is that it's frustrating for me and other Montreal providers that we are expected to charge less and offer more services than SP in other places. This mentality makes things really difficult for us, including providers who work for agencies who constantly have to deal with clients who are mad that they charge certain things as extra or won't do certain things like anal

 

[Theredmilf]

If the stories are so bad and horrifying, then why are still so many of them working there and not becoming an indy? It makes no sense.

It’s not easy to become independent, especially if rentals have gone up. How are providers supposed to afford an incall at these low rates? As to why providers don’t leave, maybe they want to stay in their home province and culture which is fancophone. People have family, friends, children and roots in the community.

Most of my GFs from Quebec leave the province and tour to make their money. The same happens here in Ottawa even though the demographics are great.

Anyway, you guys do you. I don’t think agency free-for-all will last forever as they’re illegal, often exploitative and frankly many are trafficking and money laundering. One day the government is going to show up and seize assets. In the meantime providers are starting to work together to pool infrastructure and once that happens enough, we just won’t need them anymore.

 

[TigerFlex5]

Why not start a Montreal agency thread here? I know merb exists but it's weird to navigate through that and information we provide will be shared between Ottawa goers. I just have a feeling not enough men willing to drive to Montreal for the experience because they are lazy. But I'm telling you if enough people like me, ym7921, Deviance and Jeremy456 do this, we can get momentum going. It's definitely worth it. $270 for some of the most gorgeous young gals is worth the drive and gas once a week or month.

I'll jump too

 

[Julie_BrassClub]

Ok ok we get it now . I rented a party bus with a pole to bring all of you guys to Montreal. I quit the sp world this is my new project

all abord passport bros !! Ayi ayiii

 

[lunaseraphim]

Enough with the boundary complaints, nobody is forcing them. We already discussed this. The boundaries thing is something they make up to complain about so the indies can victimize the girls, when we know perfectly well that these agency girls are making more then a average guy ever could. And not to mention the agency list the acronyms that the girls will service, so they aren't ever forced to do any. And even the minimalistic agency service providers still get bookings. why? Because they provide higher quality services then many lazy indies

What you don't seem to understand is that almost all indies have worked for spas and agencies before, so we know what it's like, and we communicate with women from every corner of the industry. I'm not ''victimizing the girls'', I'm talking about issues that all of us have to deal with, related to a specific type of clientele that views Montreal as a place where they can get more services for cheap. This is something I have to deal with myself as an indy. ''these agency girls are making more than an average guy ever could''.. Do you think they will work there forever and that it's a sustainable career? Having sex with 5-10 men a day, a couple days a week?

Yes agencies list the acronyms but guys will still pressure girls to offer services that are not listed, they pressure girls to hang out off the clock, they get mad about the costs of extras etc. Maybe you are a great client and don't push boundaries, but others do. And it's more common with agencies because girls have employers and unhappy clients who didn't get what they wanted will use their review board handle as leverage to complain, among other things. On the Montreal review board I've had guys slide into my DM's to talk about how common it was for them to be able to go bareback with girls at agencies..

I can't believe you are calling indies lazy, that's just insulting... As an indy provider I almost work full time, I have to answer messages and advertise almost all day, deal with time wasters, harassment etc. I have tried working at massage parlors for a year, everyone was always drunk or on drugs and very unhappy to be there. And I have considered working for an agency too. It's not for me. It's fine if you don't want to pay for an indy's rate but you should get a reality check about the industry. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. It took a while for me to get to the point where I'm at now, and most indies I know either work very very hard as well or they don't want to have a high volume of clients so they are more selective, which is their choice.

Few girls start working as SP because it's their dream career lol.. Implying they should all move out of the city to get better paid elsewhere as SP is kinda weird. It's not feasible for most people to move out, leave all their friends and family behind, etc.. However, I do know people who left Montreal for this specific reason, or tour a lot. I'm not saying Montreal is terrible, I managed to get a really good client base and I really love my clients and colleagues, but it's tough out here and most of us do feel upset that people come here with this image of us being cheap.. not gonna say it.

 

[Jeremy456]

Ok ok we get it now . I rented a party bus with a pole to bring all of you guys to Montreal. I quit the sp world this is my new project

all abord passport bros !! Ayi ayiii

Sounds amazing. Can you please sign me up as a VIP member?

 

[lunaseraphim]

Ok ok we get it now . I rented a party bus with a pole to bring all of you guys to Montreal. I quit the sp world this is my new project

all abord passport bros !! Ayi ayiii

I'll be bartending!

 

[ym7921]

What you don't seem to understand is that almost all indies have worked for spas and agencies before, so we know what it's like, and we communicate with women from every corner of the industry. I'm not ''victimizing the girls'', I'm talking about issues that all of us have to deal with, related to a specific type of clientele that views Montreal as a place where they can get more services for cheap. This is something I have to deal with myself as an indy. ''these agency girls are making more than an average guy ever could''.. Do you think they will work there forever and that it's a sustainable career? Having sex with 5-10 men a day, a couple days a week?

Yes agencies list the acronyms but guys will still pressure girls to offer services that are not listed, they pressure girls to hang out off the clock, they get mad about the costs of extras etc. Maybe you are a great client and don't push boundaries, but others do. And it's more common with agencies because girls have employers and unhappy clients who didn't get what they wanted will use their review board handle as leverage to complain, among other things. On the Montreal review board I've had guys slide into my DM's to talk about how common it was for them to be able to go bareback with girls at agencies..

I can't believe you are calling indies lazy, that's just insulting... As an indy provider I almost work full time, I have to answer messages and advertise almost all day, deal with time wasters, harassment etc. I have tried working at massage parlors for a year, everyone was always drunk or on drugs and very unhappy to be there. And I have considered working for an agency too. It's not for me. It's fine if you don't want to pay for an indy's rate but you should get a reality check about the industry. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. It took a while for me to get to the point where I'm at now, and most indies I know either work very very hard as well or they don't want to have a high volume of clients so they are more selective, which is their choice.

Few girls start working as SP because it's their dream career lol.. Implying they should all move out of the city to get better paid elsewhere as SP is kinda weird. It's not feasible for most people to move out, leave all their friends and family behind, etc.. However, I do know people who left Montreal for this specific reason, or tour a lot. I'm not saying Montreal is terrible, I managed to get a really good client base and I really love my clients and colleagues, but it's tough out here and most of us do feel upset that people come here with this image of us being cheap.. not gonna say it.

That's the issue so many of you don't understand. You list all of your experiences and when multiple people come out and state there's it's ignored (just look how some of the indies are reacting in this thread when people are saying they have gone to montreal because of repeated mediocre service from indies in ottawa).

I'm not saying it's you and I know that there are some good indies in ottawa but I'm not sure why it's so hard for some to believe that indies can give bad or mediocre service and when you are paying $500/hour.

The reality is that people here have booked 400-500/hour indies and gotten mediocre services and when it starts to happen more often, people talk and word gets around.

People have very valid complaints when it comes to indies. For some reason a lot of that is deleted or ignored here.
Do you really think there is some kind of conspiracy here or what's more likely is after multiple bad experiences people have decided its better to just take their money elsewhere.

 

[lunaseraphim]

That's the issue so many of you don't understand. You list all of your experiences and when multiple people come out and state there's it's ignored (just look how some of the indies are reacting in this thread when people are saying they have gone to montreal because of repeated mediocre service from indies in ottawa).

I'm not saying it's you and I know that there are some good indies in ottawa but I'm not sure why it's so hard for some to believe that indies can give bad or mediocre service and when you are paying $500/hour.

The reality is that people here have booked 400-500/hour indies and gotten mediocre services and when it starts to happen more often, people talk and word gets around.

People have very valid complaints when it comes to indies. For some reason a lot of that is deleted or ignored here.
Do you really think there is some kind of conspiracy here or what's more likely is after multiple bad experiences people have decided its better to just take their money elsewhere.

I don't live in Ottawa, I'm a Montreal provider and charge much lower than 500$ an hour, so maybe I'm lacking context.. I never said that indies can't give bad service, although I think what consists of a good experience with a SP is really subjective and depends on the person. I never said girls at agencies don't provide good service, either. I support all of my colleagues, no matter how much they charge, what services they offer and whether or not they are indies. It doesn't seem like you read anything I wrote and understand the point I'm trying to make. I've had amazing gentlemen from Ottawa (and the rest of Ontario) visit me and they were happy with their experience, and the feeling was mutual..

It's nothing against people in Ottawa specifically. I'm just trying to explain that there are reasons why the rates in Montreal are so low and why providers have to offer a certain type of performance, and that it can be frustrating for many of us because we have to cross more and more of our own boundaries to satisfy customers who come here for a very specific type of experience... This satisfied a specific clientele of jaded hobbyists who are never happy with anything they get and are hyper critical of workers. I am not trying to antagonize you or anyone else on this thread. Nor am I accusing you of being that type of client.. In fact gentlemen from Ontario have a good reputation here, generally.

All I and other women on this thread are asking for is a bit of respect for us indies.. You don't have to see us, and I am very sorry if you had bad experiences with indies that you felt overcharged.. But that's not the case with all of us. We work hard.

 

[arejayell]

Do you really think there is some kind of conspiracy here or what's more likely is after multiple bad experiences people have decided its better to just take their money elsewhere.

It certainly seems like a conspiracy of new accounts

 

[Theredmilf]

Ok ok we get it now . I rented a party bus with a pole to bring all of you guys to Montreal. I quit the sp world this is my new project

all abord passport bros !! Ayi ayiii

Were you queuing up Crazy Train there

 

[Julie_BrassClub]

I'll be bartending!

you're hired .

Were you queuing up Crazy Train there

Absolutely

 

[Theredmilf]

Leave my red milf alone. She can get very jealous when I go see my regular young hotties in Montreal and I only give her attention once a year.

You are hereby absolved of any penetractory obligations forthwith Monsieur Harpagon.