School Shooting In Minnesota With A Twist

[cunning linguist]

It is possible. We test each and everyone for driving and only 1/3rd of that number apply for gun licenses.
A psych eval doesn't rely on anyone admitting to anything.
Is that how you think mental health evaluations work? - A bi-polar person tells the psychologist that they are bi-polar and then the psychologist diagnoses them of bi-polar disorder. lmao. You are not making sense.

It's a right in the United States. Licensing to exercise a right is so much more onerous and expensive than getting an ID to vote, yet here you are arguing for one and not the other. Vehicle licensing is to determine if they're fit to for the privilage operate said vehicle on public roads. If you want to begin licensing a right, it better come with ability to carry in public, across the country, to make it more palatable.

What if on top of simply showing up and proving residency, potential voters had to pass tests to exercise their right to vote? Bet you'd be singing a different tune.

 

[Frankfooter]

You still think men can have babies?

So you think women who can't have babies aren't women?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Its you who's not making sense.
You came up with a really dumb idea, and now you're trying to walk it back.
Tell us please, how would you test someone for bipolar disorder, depression, homicidal, or suicidal thoughts if the person denies being bipolar, depressed, or being homicidal?? Walk us through the process on how you would do that

Now you are just throwing around random words.
I am not walking anything back.
I am saying the same thing I said earlier - licenses issued only to people who pass a psych eval.
I am not a psychologist to tell you how these evaluations are conducted, but it certainly isn't asking someone if they have bi-polar disorder or what have you.
There are tried and tested diagnostic and evaluation criteria that psychologists use today that can reliably identify mental health. Psych evals are done all the time for various jobs today. It isn't as if this is all new.
You've not making any sense.

 

[Valcazar]

Uh yeah.

Which is what, then?

Look at all the Kool-Aid drinkers in this very thread, trying to convince people that this kind of gun violence is somehow so much worse than inner city gun violence, which actually does the heavy lifting in the "mass shootings" statistics, yet you've got people here thinking it's already "over policed".

You do know that multiple groups do include inner city gun violence in their mass shooting definitions, right?

And that even within those that do, there are different definitions?

It's all smoke and mirrors, liberals don't actually care about public safety; gun control is about political revenge.

That's just wacky, but then you seem to have some really strong, irrational feelings about public safety and gun control.

 

[Frankfooter]

It's all smoke and mirrors, liberals don't actually care about public safety; gun control is about political revenge.

Or in a Naomi Wolf doppelganger kind of way right wingers don't care about public safety and think owning things designed to kill other people makes them personally safer.
Gun ownership is all about being afraid of society.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It's a right in the United States.

Yes it is a right. And just because it is a right doesn't mean every person is fit to own a gun.

Licensing to exercise a right is so much more onerous and expensive than getting an ID to vote,

It should be.
One is taking possession of a weapon that can kill people.
One should be trained, free of criminal history and be of the right mind and temperament to own one.

yet here you are arguing for one and not the other.

One takes away a fundamental right.
The other ensures that right to people who are fit to own a deadly weapon.
Totally consistent.

Vehicle licensing is to determine if they're fit to for the privilage operate said vehicle on public roads. If you want to begin licensing a right, it better come with ability to carry in public, across the country, to make it more palatable.

Licensing is not the right.
Licensing is a regulatory process to ensure people exercise their right in a safe and sane manner.

What if on top of simply showing up and proving residency, potential voters had to pass tests to exercise their right to vote? Bet you'd be singing a different tune.

Ah yes, once again - ALL situations are exactly the same and therefore the exact same solutions need to be pursued for everything.
Of course anyone with an ounce of critical thinking would sing a different tune.
Voter ID requirements denies rights to people who are unable to get IDs.
Gun licensing laws, ensures that people who are fit to own weapons are able to access those weapons per their right to do so.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I am saying the same thing I said earlier - licenses issued only to people who pass a psych eval.
I am not a psychologist to tell you how these evaluations are conducted, but it certainly isn't asking someone if they have bi-polar disorder or what have you.
There are tried and tested diagnostic and evaluation criteria that psychologists use today that can reliably identify mental health. Psych evals are done all the time for various jobs today. It isn't as if this is all new.
You've not making any sense

There is no singular test for bipolar disorder or depression. And there certainly isnt a test for homicidal people.

All psychiatrists can do is look at your symptoms, mood changes, and family history of mental illness.
But there is no specific test other than that.
So if the person doesnt mention any bipolar disorder or depression symptoms, then there's nothing a psychiatrist can do.

See here: https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=h...&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

There is no singular test for bipolar disorder or depression. And there certainly isnt a test for homicidal people.

All psychiatrists can do is look at your symptoms, mood changes, and family history of mental illness.
But there is no specific test other than that.
So if the person doesnt mention any bipolar disorder or depression symptoms, then there's nothing a psychiatrist can do.

See here: https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=h...&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=

A psych eval is conducted for various jobs today. It isn't anything new.
And those evaluations reliably identify issues all the time.
You or I are not qualified to pass judgement on the methods psychologists use.
Nor am I going to discuss these methods with you when you are googling stuff and copy pasting the first line of the first result you see. Its not an intelligent way to discuss or debate.

 

[cunning linguist]

Voter ID requirements denies rights to people who are unable to get IDs.

No one is unable to get an ID, that's a lie. Do they work and pay taxes? They have an SSN or SIN. Did they immigrate? There's a record of that. Do they drive? That's another piece of ID. Do they live in some sort of building, regardless if they own or rent? There are documents that come with that. Don't have time? Give me a fucking break, they've got an average of 3-4 years between elections.

No one is being asked to pass any tests or pysch evals to exercise their right to vote, no one's ability to vote has been taken away. Give your head a shake.

 

[cunning linguist]

Which is what, then?



You do know that multiple groups do include inner city gun violence in their mass shooting definitions, right?

And that even within those that do, there are different definitions?



That's just wacky, but then you seem to have some really strong, irrational feelings about public safety and gun control.

You know the posters here who will never vote conservative because they think they'll be criminalized for paying for sex?

Welcome to the reality of gun owners in Canada for the past almost 40 years.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

A psych eval is conducted for various jobs today. It isn't anything new.
And those evaluations reliably identify issues all the time.
You or I are not qualified to pass judgement on the methods psychologists use.
Nor am I going to discuss these methods with you when you are googling stuff and copy pasting the first line of the first result you see. Its not an intelligent way to discuss or debate

Just admit that your idea was kind of dumb, and that you didn't research it properly, so we can then move on

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

No one is unable to get an ID, that's a lie. Do they work and pay taxes? They have an SSN or SIN. Did they immigrate? There's a record of that. Do they drive? That's another piece of ID. Do they live in some sort of building, regardless if they own or rent? There are documents that come with that. Don't have time? Give me a fucking break, they've got an average of 3-4 years between elections.

Maybe they don't work or pay taxes.
Maybe they are homeless.
Elderly without birth certificates.
Indigenous and living in reservations.
Disabled and unable to get around.
There are plenty of people who are unable to get IDs.

No one is being asked to pass any tests or pysch evals to exercise their right to vote,

Yes they shouldnt be.
But if one were to want to own a weapon, they should be of sound mind, temperament and have the knowledge, and the licensing process should ideally test for all that.
Voting and possessing a weapon are very different things. Therefore they require different solutions.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Just admit that your idea was kind of dumb, and that you didn't research it properly, so we can then move on

No it wasn't dumb and it is totally doable.
And common sense suggests it should be done.
Many countries today require psych evals before issuing a gun license or permit.
Psych evals are nothing new.
You are unable to come up with any rebuttal and are relying on feverishly googling and copy pasting the first result you get without thinking anything through.

 

[The Oracle]

Since I assume you define men as being not able to have babies, I will say yes, since it will annoy you.

And this why you lost an election....

While we're at it proving you're delusional...Still think Disney isn't woke?

That was another beaut you said on here.

 

[cunning linguist]

Maybe they don't work or pay taxes.
Maybe they are homeless.
Elderly without birth certificates.
Indigenous and living in reservations.
Disabled and unable to get around.
There are plenty of people who are unable to get IDs.

Excuses, excuses, 4 years between elections, cry me a river.

Edit: don't work? Pretty sure there's documentation for welfare.

Yes they shouldnt be.
But if one were to want to own a weapon, they should be of sound mind, temperament and have the knowledge, and the licensing process should ideally test for all that.
Voting and possessing a weapon are very different things. Therefore they require different solutions.

They are both rights in the United States you can't license one without opening the flood gates for the other. Imagine if "sound mind, even temperament and knowledge" were criteria for the ability to vote.

 

[The Oracle]

So you think women who can't have babies aren't women?

Gametes dude we've been over this many many times. It's where wokeness hits a wall and all.

You don't believe in biology?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

it is totally doable

Its not though, and I think deep down inside you know that

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Excuses, excuses, 4 years between elections, cry me a river.
Edit: don't work? Pretty sure there's documentation for welfare.
They are both rights in the United States you can't license one without opening the flood gates for the other. Imagine if "sound mind, even temperament and knowledge" were criteria for the ability to vote.

Even if they are on welfare, documentation for welfare isn't a government issued photo ID.
There are other examples I pointed out that you conveniently ignored.
And you can totally require licensing for one, and not for the other.
Infact, you do need a gun permit even today, so again that isn't anything new.
And of course sound body, temperament etc cannot be used for voting because it is not the same issue as owning guns.
Different problems, different solutions.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Its not though, and I think deep down inside you know that

It is doable. Many countries already do it as I pointed out.

 

[cunning linguist]

Even if they are on welfare, documentation for welfare isn't a government issued photo ID.
There are other examples I pointed out that you conveniently ignored.

Ignored because they're all dumb, whiney examples. Oh poor me, I haven't figured it out in the 4 years since the last election...must be...racism, or something.