Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029 :Heart Attack:

[Skoob]

The USA has higher CO2 Emissions than all those countries listed except China. But when you take the Per Capita, then The USA is worse than all those Nations.
When all those nations were having their goals to address their Emissions and then Trump pulls out of The Paris Accord, then what message is he sensing to those Nations?
Especially over all the decades when The USA was one of the worst polluters!!

The message you're sending is that the Paris accord is a failure.

Why are you mentioning "per capita" when it comes to global climate? Are you one of those people who thinks pollution doesn't travel the globe?

btw why do you pivot to "per capita" when you want to peddle your narrative about emissions, but don't use per capita when you talk about Canada's GDP per capita compared to other G7 countries?

Could it be you like cherries and that's why you pick them?

 

[Skoob]

Those are decisions always made outside of parliament anyway.
Again a non issue.

National tariffs that impact trade relations and the economy are not outside of parliament.
Foreign policy and defence are not outside of parliament.

You support a government that is purposely acting undemocratically. If it was a Conservative government doing this you would enlist your children to fight in a revolution

Stop peddling misinformation as a means to justify your biased views.

 

[Skoob]

It did not happen evenly over the 10 years. The pandemic really caused a lot of issues.

If that's what you seriously believe, then why wasn't the carbon tax suspended during the pandemic? In fact, it kept increasing. Even in a pandemic they justified it because of the importance of "fighting climate change."

Now like a miracle, on the eve of an election, it's been scrapped.

When a person is brainwashed they can't think critically about things. So?

 

[Skoob]

Maybe, but the opposition is always asking for an election. No one in the Lib govt really wanted to remove the carbon tax, PP made his platform 1 issue and when that issue was removed it struggled. The industrial carbon tax will still be there, PP said he would cut that as well but no one cared. Carney is not gonna kill C69 and he is gonna continue with the dental roll out. The programs are NOT the same. No mandatory sentences from Carney either. Because he is not a moron. The economy is always a priority. But climate measures are long term economic measures as climate change has some very real economic consequences.

You have either not been paying attention, or the Liberal brainwashing machine is working on you.

This was going on well before Trudeau resigned...


Atlantic Liberal MPs press Trudeau for rural carbon tax carve-out
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-atlantic-mps-pitches-carbon-tax-rural-carve-out-1.6966939



They have fooled you into believing the climate was so important that you accepted & defended the carbon tax even while it increased during a pandemic. Now they've convinced you that the economy is more important and they've scrapped it.

Note: when people are brainwashed they don't know they're brainwashed.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

National tariffs that impact trade relations and the economy are not outside of parliament.

They are executive decisions made by the ruling government in day to day operations outside of the parliament.
The ruling government sets tariff rates through regulations under the authority of laws already passed by Parliament (Customs Tariff Act).
Tariff changes are a response, not brand-new legislation every time.
Can be debated or questioned in parliament, but they are still decisions made by the ruling government alone.
Stop engaging in mental gymnastics to conjure up processes that dont exist.

 

[Skoob]

They are decisions made by the ruling government outside of the parliament.
Can be debated or questioned in parliament, but they are still decisions made by the ruling government alone.
These are responses by the government and not legislation.
Stop engaging in mental gymnastics to conjure up processes that dont exist.

Wrong. Parliament is where these issues are discussed in our democratic system.

And know that the next time you refer to someone like Trump as being a Fascist dictator I'll remind you of your hypocrisy.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Wrong. Parliament is where these issues are discussed in our democratic system.

Yes they can be questioned in parliament.
But as I said earlier (and made slight edits to my post), they are executive decisions under the provisions of pre-existing laws.
Parliament being prorogued while a new leader is selected is also completely valid and within the rules of governance.
Just because it wasn't convenient for your side does not mean it was wrong.
Trump on the other hand is fascist because he ignores court orders, denies people constitutional rights.

 

[Skoob]

Yes they can be questioned in parliament.
But as I said earlier (and made slight edits to my post), they are executive decisions under the provisions of pre-existing laws.
Parliament being prorogued while a new leader is selected is also completely valid and within the rules of governance.
Just because it wasn't convenient for your side does not mean it was wrong.
Trump on the other hand is fascist because he ignores court orders, denies people constitutional rights.

You should make slight edits to your morals and ideology but I digress.

Funny how you think one is a fascist and the other is not.
Also funny that you spread misinformation about Trump to peddle your obvious bias and to justify supporting a multi-national fascist by definition and your measure.
That's how brainwashing works. And it's worked very well on you. The Liberal party is indeed good at something based on the work they've done on you.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You should make slight edits to your morals and ideology but I digress.

Funny how you think one is a fascist and the other is not.
Also funny that you spread misinformation about Trump to peddle your obvious bias and to justify supporting a multi-national fascist by definition and your measure.
That's how brainwashing works. And it's worked very well on you. The Liberal party is indeed good at something based on the work they've done on you.

You call Carney of all people a fascist, which is laughable while defending a fascist convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. lmfao.
What's worse you engage in mental gymnastics and come up with a non-response, to my comment.
It may have something to do with you failing to succeed in making an argument and face palming a few too many times.

 

[bver_hunter]

I don't think China ever planned to honour their commitments whether trump, biden or obama was in office. They literally give 2 shits about the environment. They overfish the seas often illegally going into other countries' EEZ, their AQI is among the worst in the world, they engage in unprecedented levels of nuclear waste water dumping, 80-90% of their ground water is unusable. Like literally 0 fucks given about the environment.

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So the Chinese EV revolution is very debatable. They come out with a government initiative, i.e. becoming the world leader in EVs. The CCP dumps trillions of dollars into developing this industry providing massive subsidies into provincial and local governments with the simple mandate of producing quantity, definitely not quality. The subsidies filter down with each branch of government taking their cut along the way (starting at the top officials.) Companies are usually rewarded with bigger subsidies if production quotas are met with no regard to safety standards or quality control. What you end up having is substandard EVs being produced and not even Chinese consumers want them. As a result they try to dump these products on Europe, SA, Africa. The QC issues are well reported in places like Australia with one of the "higher" end brands like Xiaomi have significant rust issues after 1 year, brakes and electronic systems malfunctioning, air bags not deploying, etc.

What has ended up happening are these massive EV graveyards in China where these useless EVs are left to rot. There is plenty of evidence and drone footage of this. Same thing happened with their E-bike revolution. Just mass e-bike graveyards everywhere in China. Also not to mention, their lithium extraction process have been heavily criticized both from an environmental standpoint and a human rights POV.

Again China gives 2 shits about the environment. It is all a facade for the exterior world. They say one thing and behind closed doors they do the exact opposite.

Not saying that China are any saints in this respect. However, when you take the total amount of emissions since 1990 then China are still second to the USA:

That is why it was so important for both the USA and China to immediately address the intensity of their greenhouse gas emissions.
But pulling out of the Paris Accord by Trump in his previous tenure and currently, only goes to show that the USA are not taking Climate Change seriously, and are infatuated with those silly tariffs. It is a much bigger difference if you go back from pre-industrialization times to presently:

 

[bver_hunter]

If you took out half the population of China (literally half), I guarantee you it would barely make a dent in their carbon emissions.

Not sure from where you get that presumption!!

 

[bver_hunter]

It amazes me how you firmly believe Trudeau did nothing wrong in ten years. You are like a few exes I had who refused yo take accountability for words and actions.

Trudeau had a 19% approval rating. Why do you think that happened?

Now that Trudeau is no longer in office can you explain why Carney has not only closed that gap, but pulled ahead of Pee Pee?
Remember that prior to the 2015 Elections harper had the lowest approval ratings as compared to all the opposition leaders at that time. Even Elizabeth May was ahead of him. Both Trudeau and Mulcair were far more popular than him. When a leader has had around a decade in office, most Canadians want change!!
So are you then saying that Harper did nothing wrong in his decade in charge?

 

[bver_hunter]

So then if it has so much support then Carney is doing the wrong thing IN COPYING A CONSERVATIVE POLICY?

Pee Pee who released his platform after Carney did so, seems to try and copy Carney's platform policies though pretending that he will be "more fiscally responsible"!!
Yet Pee Pee who says that he will also address The Climate Change has nothing on his platform to tackle it!!

 

[bver_hunter]

His budget proposal is criminal. He is spending more than Justin.

Also, he is a China asset.

Why is Pee Pee's budget also about spending big then? His budget wants to release big bucks to the elitists and crumbs to the rest of the Canadians.
Then he is a criminal, according to your definition!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Right on queue you mention Harper.

You do know you're obsessed right?

All your hypocritical rantings ultimately bring you back to Harper...every time...without fail!

You should seek some help...seriously. It's pointless having a discussion with someone stuck in a different decade.

Why are your feathers always ruffled when Harper is mentioned in the relevant context?

Just go take your medications if you cannot debate in a civil manner. But of course if Pee Pee does not win the elections then you will no doubt be shedding a lot of crocodile tears for ages!!

 

[bver_hunter]

The message you're sending is that the Paris accord is a failure.

Why are you mentioning "per capita" when it comes to global climate? Are you one of those people who thinks pollution doesn't travel the globe?

btw why do you pivot to "per capita" when you want to peddle your narrative about emissions, but don't use per capita when you talk about Canada's GDP per capita compared to other G7 countries?

Could it be you like cherries and that's why you pick them?

You are comparing apples with crumbs when trying to log together Carbon Emissions versus GDP!!
When you have a population like China that is more than 4 times that of the USA, then you expect the Chinese to be on a level playing field to the USA with respect to human CO2 emissions?
Do you think that The Paris Accord will not take the Per Capita level of emissions when comparing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions by different nations around the Globe?

Look at the per capita Emissions since the mid 18 Century and who are mainly responsible for the Climate Change:

CO₂ emissions per capita

An interactive visualization from Our World in Data.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Butler1000]

Pee Pee who released his platform after Carney did so, seems to try and copy Carney's platform policies though pretending that he will be "more fiscally responsible"!!
Yet Pee Pee who says that he will also address The Climate Change has nothing on his platform to tackle it!!

Lol. Canceling the Carbon Tax much?

 

[Butler1000]

Now that Trudeau is no longer in office can you explain why Carney has not only closed that gap, but pulled ahead of Pee Pee?
Remember that prior to the 2015 Elections harper had the lowest approval ratings as compared to all the opposition leaders at that time. Even Elizabeth May was ahead of him. Both Trudeau and Mulcair were far more popular than him. When a leader has had around a decade in office, most Canadians want change!!
So are you then saying that Harper did nothing wrong in his decade in charge?

Can't accept Trudeau was forced out yet, can you?

 

[DesRicardo]

Why is Pee Pee's budget also about spending big then? His budget wants to release big bucks to the elitists and crumbs to the rest of the Canadians.
Then he is a criminal, according to your definition!!

The same thing and worse can be said about Carney.

Carney's budget is like double Poilievre's and accomplishes less.

 

[JohnLarue]

The same thing and worse can be said about Carney.

Carney's budget is like double Poilievre's and accomplishes less.

actually Carney's budget will be inflationary and drive business out of the country

his budget is ideologically (net zero nonsense) driven