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Tennis legend Martina Navratilova 'fuming' after female fencer punished for refusing to take on trans athlete

Bucktee

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Who wins, D1 women's hoopers or out of shape men that played high school ball back in the day?

 

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Who wins, the greatest female fighter of all time or an amateur male fighter?

 

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Transgender people in sports (wikipedia)


You can't understand how the whole campaign about an extremely tiny number of trans athletes is a moral panic?
And only a few men who are trans women by personal identification alone are in women's prisons, so we should just 'let them do their thing'...

There are many bars which serve free drink to women during happy hour. Shouldn't every man declare himself to be a woman from 5-6 PM on a Thursday?
 
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You can't understand how the whole campaign about an extremely tiny number of trans athletes is a moral panic?
A man competing against women is an injustice, sometimes with dangerous consequences.

It's horrible that any dude is competing with women. Fortunate they are only tiny number, for now.

When you allow one, you set the precedent for others. Yet it only takes one to defeat all women in any given competition from now until the end of humanity.

I know that as a man this doesn't affect you and never could, but you should learn to be sympathetic to the millions of women that it does impact.
 
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And back to the dramatic diatribes in service of the ridiculous moral panic.
UK Supreme Court rules trans women are not women, in a spectacular win for common sense


Sanity is returning.

Acknowledging that trans women are not women isn't "moral panic". It's a reality you're going to have to deal with.

It's shocking and pathetic that we've even had to have this conversation.
 
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Canada needs to follow the UK's lead and also eliminate the grammatically unsound they/them pronoun nonsense.
 

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So let’s gain some marginals and lose a bunch of centrists. Wouldn’t centrists versus radicals represent pretty much a bell curve in such a way that there is a lot more centrists than radicals?
There are a bunch of people who think that is what would happen.
You can see them moving that way all the time.
The track record is... not very convincing.
It's trivially easy to move the goal posts, so you constantly are chasing whatever the Right decides they want you to do.
Also, you don't lose "the radicals" - you lose people from lots of groups at once because they all see you are willing to turn on them the moment the Right makes a meme.
You don't gain that many centrists, because lots of centrists don't care about the issue that much, since it was made up by the right wing and they will move the goal posts.
You also come across as feckless, not having any values you will defend.

Has tacking to these issues sometimes worked?
Sure.
But it is hardly a sure thing and it doesn't always work long term

The main problem is the goal post shifting.

Think about it - the Right went after trans people with bathroom panic first.
It didn't work well, so they just moved to women's sports.
Since the right doesn't actually care about women's sports, there is no way to answer it.
If it loses steam, they will move to something else.
 

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This is a mental health issue for trans individuals; It's a civil rights issue for women.

Why should anyone care if they're not female athletes?

Because truth and facts are important in achieving and maintaining justice. When you erode such an obvious fact of life - that men cannot become women and therefore should not compete with women - you set a dangerous precedent for the entire justice system; that under the law, feelings [including delusions] are more important than facts.
 
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This is a mental health issue for trans individuals; It's a civil rights issue for women.

Why should anyone care if they're not female athletes?

Because truth and facts are important in achieving and maintaining justice. When you erode such an obvious fact of life - that men cannot become women and therefore should not compete with women - you set a dangerous precedent for the entire justice system; that under the law, feelings [including delusions] are more important than facts.
Legal decisions are almost entirely based on established rules and past precedents. Feelings are irrelevant to a trial Judge, but they matter a bit to a sentencing Judge. No deviant behaviors are condoned because 'only a few people are doing it'.

I think some of the trans people are just trying to troll the civil justice system, provoking society as a means to achieve wealth by filing nuisance lawsuits for 'discrimination'. Perhaps it's because they have no marketable skills.
 

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What mental illness, confusion, and unchecked narcissism looks like:

 

Valcazar

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I don't hate trans women. I just don't take them seriously. Neither should you.
You misunderstand.
You pointed people to Ladyballers, which is fucking terrible.

Why do you hate everyone here?
:)
 

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You misunderstand.
You pointed people to Ladyballers, which is fucking terrible.

88% liked by the audience....
 

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88% liked by the audience....
Yes, it's fucking terrible.
The audience who watched that is self-selected.
I mean, just implying someone is the kind of person who would like Ladyballers is probably a vicious insult to that person.
 
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