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He "lifted' it now that Ukraine has agreed to a ceasefire after already having done the damage.
You bet nothing is making to Ukraine right now.
It is just optics.
Optics or not a few extra days of military aid would not have
changed course of the war.

And yes, forging ahead with peace talks without the party being invaded in said peace talks, making decisions for them and parroting talking points of the enemy, is exactly why Trump is a Russian asset.
Europe, the UK and Canada can always forge ahead on their own along with
Zelensky to negotiate using talking points of Ukraine. Even better they can
forge ahead to deploy troops into Ukraine to kick out Russia invaders. That
would not only make Trump the peacemaker look stupid but pressure Putin
into the position where he becomes the one begging for a peace deal on
Ukraine's terms.
 

SchlongConery

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There is no need to have a president that stokes enmity with Russia, and Trump certainly has not taken any sanctions off Russia and seems very anti China and Iran, both of which are Russian allies. The west has fallen into the trap that anyone that does not hate Russia is a "Putin Puppet" and its sad so many people have fallen into this ideology of hatred. Russia has relations with many nations, long standing relations, its only the West that cannot accept Russia as a powerful and significant nation. This enmity goes back centauries. It is kept alive by those that want us to keep military spending alive. Why else did NATO refuse Russian membership? Because NATO would have no reason to exist without enmity against Russia.

As usual, you are spewing Russian lies and trying to blame everyone for Russia's long history of both imperialistic and domestic brutality.


For those who want an intelligent counterpoint from a guy who has specifically studied the Soviet Union and Russians for FIFTY years, watch this video.

I beg any of you non-Russians who have fallen for the Russian narrative and propaganda to invest the 13 minutes to watch and absorb what he is saying. If you have not had experience, history or are old enough to have been around during post WW2 Soviet times, you will really do yourself a big favour by at least watching it. It explains all these multiple messaging schemes and meddling Russia does to appear relatively strong. And I don't think he says anythign bad about Trump.. so you can keep that love affair alive! ;)

 

SchlongConery

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But Russia has everything on trump, Kompromat and big financial debts.
There are plenty of people who poo-poo this as unfounded, unproven conjecture. And they are right to do so. There has been no smoking gun evidence (that I know of) that would prove quid pro quo.

However, his actions, words and everything he does and says related to Russia is 100% consistent with him being compromised and a Russian operative. More than an asset, an operative.

And the actions and words he has taken and spoken have been highly detrimental to the interests, policies, security and reputation of the United States. And highly beneficial to Russia, the de facto enemy of the United States. Which makes him a traitor. Just not enough evidence to try him. Yet.
 

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What advanced weapons would you give to Ukraine? Who is gonna operate them? They have been given tanks, ATGMs, Patriot Strom Shadow, M109s M777, millions of artillery rounds, advanced recon and targeting, millions of drones all kinda vehicles, patriot ATACMs you name it. What else? What Wunder Waffe can we give Ukraine to turn it around.
They just need batteries, Ukraine is making the rest.
 

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Read KD, read!!!

Was it completed when the Trump administration was in office? Nope. The construction was suspended in 2019 when the US threatened serious sanctions. It was completed in September 2021 when Biden was in office.
 

Frankfooter

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There are plenty of people who poo-poo this as unfounded, unproven conjecture. And they are right to do so. There has been no smoking gun evidence (that I know of) that would prove quid pro quo.

However, his actions, words and everything he does and says related to Russia is 100% consistent with him being compromised and a Russian operative. More than an asset, an operative.

And the actions and words he has taken and spoken have been highly detrimental to the interests, policies, security and reputation of the United States. And highly beneficial to Russia, the de facto enemy of the United States. Which makes him a traitor. Just not enough evidence to try him. Yet.
Except its common knowledge that trump hit bankruptcy and no american bank would lend to him. Its also common knowledge that he sold units in his towers without paperwork, using lax NYC regulations.



 

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Was it completed when the Trump administration was in office? Nope. The construction was suspended in 2019 when the US threatened serious sanctions. It was completed in September 2021 when Biden was in office.
You claimed Biden approved it, you lied, he did not. It's okay KD, we expect fake news from righties. ;)
 

Phil C. McNasty

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WTF is he even saying?

I had a very good call with Putin, he assured me Ukraine is in a very vulnerable position.

How is that a good call? He's out of his mind.
It means Trump and Putin are still hammering out a deal, but they're very close to finalizing it
 

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More advanced weapons than the ones that have been given.
There are plenty.
They can also be given more quantity of the weapons currently in operation.
What weapons, you really think the USA and NATO have the weapons to give them? To fight a full NATO type doctrine they will need several hundred fighter planes, and about 500 trained pilots and thousands of ground crew. Problem is they have no airbases Russia cannot attack as will. Give them SAMs you say? USA makes 600 patriots /year. They still cannot stop everything. As for artillery, Russia is out producing NATO about 3:1 in ammo and Israel is also draining the "Arsenal of Democracy" So what else can they give Ukraine that they have? Ukraine has lots of drones, so does Russia. They are out of men. They cannot recruit and train enough men quickly enough to make a difference. Kursk cost Ukraine 57K men so far. So other then saying there are "plenty" admit you have no clue about modern warfare and weapons.
 

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As usual, you are spewing Russian lies and trying to blame everyone for Russia's long history of both imperialistic and domestic brutality.


For those who want an intelligent counterpoint from a guy who has specifically studied the Soviet Union and Russians for FIFTY years, watch this video.

I beg any of you non-Russians who have fallen for the Russian narrative and propaganda to invest the 13 minutes to watch and absorb what he is saying. If you have not had experience, history or are old enough to have been around during post WW2 Soviet times, you will really do yourself a big favour by at least watching it. It explains all these multiple messaging schemes and meddling Russia does to appear relatively strong. And I don't think he says anythign bad about Trump.. so you can keep that love affair alive! ;)

I will watch it sure, but hey, what were the germans like in WWII. lol. Are you saying other countries don't meddle? Really? Only Russia? What does funding Nevalny amount to?
 

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I will watch it sure, but hey, what were the germans like in WWII. lol. Are you saying other countries don't meddle? Really? Only Russia? What does funding Nevalny amount to?
OH NO , what's going to happen if they convince Trumputin to properly arm Ukraine, oh no, poor Vlady. You should rush to Putin's aid and man up to defend Russia!!! Although I'm sure Trumputin and Vance Putin's ball washer will put up a good fight to stay in your hero's good graces.

Trump facing pressure from inside GOP to ditch pro Putin attitude
 
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OH NO , what's going to happen if they convince Trumputin to properly arm Ukraine, oh no, poor Vlady. You should rush to Putin's aid and man up to defend Russia!!! Although I'm sure Trumputin and Vance Putin's ball washer will put up a good fight to stay in your hero's good graces.

Trump facing pressure from inside GOP to ditch pro Putin attitude
Lol like I said, they are out of man power. There is nothing they can do to turn the war around...except maybe giving Ukraine Nukes, which means we will all die.
 

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As usual, you are spewing Russian lies and trying to blame everyone for Russia's long history of both imperialistic and domestic brutality.


For those who want an intelligent counterpoint from a guy who has specifically studied the Soviet Union and Russians for FIFTY years, watch this video.

I beg any of you non-Russians who have fallen for the Russian narrative and propaganda to invest the 13 minutes to watch and absorb what he is saying. If you have not had experience, history or are old enough to have been around during post WW2 Soviet times, you will really do yourself a big favour by at least watching it. It explains all these multiple messaging schemes and meddling Russia does to appear relatively strong. And I don't think he says anythign bad about Trump.. so you can keep that love affair alive! ;)

Oh man, as soon as he mentioned Zbigniew Brzezinski I stopped wasting my time. He is not remotely objective. No Pole can be counted on for ANY objectivity when it comes to Russia. Good thing he mentioned him early so I did not waste too much time.
 

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What weapons, you really think the USA and NATO have the weapons to give them? To fight a full NATO type doctrine they will need several hundred fighter planes, and about 500 trained pilots and thousands of ground crew. Problem is they have no airbases Russia cannot attack as will. Give them SAMs you say? USA makes 600 patriots /year. They still cannot stop everything. As for artillery, Russia is out producing NATO about 3:1 in ammo and Israel is also draining the "Arsenal of Democracy" So what else can they give Ukraine that they have? Ukraine has lots of drones, so does Russia. They are out of men. They cannot recruit and train enough men quickly enough to make a difference. Kursk cost Ukraine 57K men so far. So other then saying there are "plenty" admit you have no clue about modern warfare and weapons.
You know nothing about military equipment, strategy or what numbers Ukraine may need.
You are just making stuff up.
What we do know is that Russia uses lots of duds from N. Korea.
If they were out producing NATO, then why haven't they steam rolled Ukraine?
Why did the Wagner guy complain for lack of ammo?
Russia is not as militarily strong if they cannot even beat the poorest nation in Europe decisively.
So I am not going to answer what weapons the US needs to give other than say, that there are more advanced, longer range and state of the art weapons that could help Ukraine, that the west already has.
 
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You know nothing about military equipment, strategy or what numbers Ukraine may need.
You are just making stuff up.
What we do know is that Russia uses lots of duds from N. Korea.
If they were out producing NATO, then why haven't they steam rolled Ukraine?
Why did the Wagner guy complain for lack of ammo?
Russia is not as militarily strong if they cannot even beat the poorest nation in Europe decisively.
So I am not going to answer what weapons the US needs to give other than say, that there are more advanced, longer range and state of the art weapons that could help Ukraine, that the west already has.
You can't have a reasonable conversation with a guy who pulls shit out of his ass and spews it around the walls as if it's paint. It's best to just ignore them and have a laugh at their posts. lol
 
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You know nothing about military equipment, strategy or what numbers Ukraine may need.
You are just making stuff up.
What we do know is that Russia uses lots of duds from N. Korea.
If they were out producing NATO, then why haven't they steam rolled Ukraine?
Why did the Wagner guy complain for lack of ammo?
Russia is not as militarily strong if they cannot even beat the poorest nation in Europe decisively.
So I am not going to answer what weapons the US needs to give other than say, that there are more advanced, longer range and state of the art weapons that could help Ukraine, that the west already has.
Lol Last time you said that I posted the same words from the NATO Sec General. How do you know Russia uses a lot of duds? You are hanging on to one time the leader of one group complained about a lack of ammo. When it comes to ammo, do you think the Russia general staff is gonna supply Wagner or the Russia military. Pregozhin was not willing to take orders to coordinate his ops with Gen Staff. He wanted to conquer Bakhmut to shower himself with glory, as a result he attacked when no allocations were made for an attack and got a lot of people killed. Are you claiming now that Rutte the sec general is a liar? Just because you are out producing NATO does not mean Ukraine is not dangerous, and has no ammo. The goal at this point is not to really defeat Ukraine quickly, its to wipe out their army. If you win fast they will still have many military aged men. If you kill them all then it will be quite a while before they can raise an army that threatens you. You can't even name 1 weapons system that would make a difference? What can they deploy in the next 3 months that might make a difference?
 

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Lol Last time you said that I posted the same words from the NATO Sec General. How do you know Russia uses a lot of duds? You are hanging on to one time the leader of one group complained about a lack of ammo. When it comes to ammo, do you think the Russia general staff is gonna supply Wagner or the Russia military. Pregozhin was not willing to take orders to coordinate his ops with Gen Staff. He wanted to conquer Bakhmut to shower himself with glory, as a result he attacked when no allocations were made for an attack and got a lot of people killed. Are you claiming now that Rutte the sec general is a liar? Just because you are out producing NATO does not mean Ukraine is not dangerous, and has no ammo. The goal at this point is not to really defeat Ukraine quickly, its to wipe out their army. If you win fast they will still have many military aged men. If you kill them all then it will be quite a while before they can raise an army that threatens you.
And how do you know why the Wagner guy did what he did?
Because you read some Russian news paper?
Stop making stuff up and stick to facts.
Yeah the NATO secretary general did say that.
But if that is true, why aren't we seeing results from Russia?
Did Russia not acquire duds from N. Korea?
The fact of the matter is that even with their superior numbers the Russians havent been able to accomplish anything for almost 2 years now.
We know Russia fights a war of attrition because the numbers favour them.
So they are not afraid to throw as many of their own people into the meat grinder to kill off the opposition.
Which is why that advantage has to be neutralized with more advanced, long range, state of the art weapons from the West.
 
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nottyboi

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And how do you know why the Wagner guy did what he did?
Because you read some Russian news paper?
Stop making stuff up and stick to facts.
Yeah the NATO secretary general did say that.
But if that is true, why aren't we seeing results from Russia?
Did Russia not acquire duds from N. Korea?
The fact of the matter is that even with their superior numbers the Russians havent been able to accomplish anything for almost 2 years now.
We know Russia fights a war of attrition because the numbers favour them.
So they are not afraid to throw as many of their own people into the meat grinder to kill off the opposition.
Which is why that advantage has to be neutralized with more advanced, long range, state of the art weapons from the West.
No I listen to people that know insiders and confirm their info with other info. Ultimately even Ukraine says Russians fire anywhere from 5 to 10 rounds for each round they fire. If Russia acquired some ammo from Korea if there were any duds they would be removed quite quickly. Whats worse is when they explode on firing as happened in Ukraine with some of the crappy ammo the Czech moron acquired and sent to Ukraine. Russia has taken and held about 25% of Ukraine while slaughtering the AFU. Yes they did take some Russia territory in Kursk ,but paid a massive price and have paid a massive price as Russia turned it into a kill box. If the west provides Ukraine with LRASM for example, it will result in Russia attacking NATO and since its pretty much a longer range version of Scalp and Storm Shadow, Russia can probably shoot it down or jam it.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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No I listen to people that know insiders and confirm their info with other info. Ultimately even Ukraine says Russians fire anywhere from 5 to 10 rounds for each round they fire.
Yes but the results speak for themselves.
The superior Russian numbers, do not translate to results.
They couldn't even push the Ukrainians out of Kursk.
So even with lower numbers the Ukrainians seem to be able to not just hold the line in the east, but also cross the border and hold the little they took in Kursk.
That means - the Russians are really bad at war, the Ukrainians are really good, the Russian weapons are bad and the only reason the Russians are able to hold on is due to their superior numbers and ability to throw not just Russians but Africans and N.Koreans into the meat grinder.
I am thinking it is a combination of all of the above.
 
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