Ukraine agrees to ceasefire

[dirtydaveiii]

Everyone seemed to be missing the points

1 - Since WWII the US has aided or entered numerous conflicts to weaken Russia/Soviet Union
2 - Trump is not a humanitarian and could care less about Americans dying, let alone countries who have not supported him
3 - The US Russia England agreed to provide security that they would never let Ukraine be invaded in exchange of Ukraine to give up their nukes

Why in the flying fuck does everyone not agre that Russia should be destroyed? If Ukraine wants to keep fighting let them and super them as promised. Everything else is bullshit

 

[Ceiling Cat]

It means Trump and Putin are still hammering out a deal, but they're very close to finalizing it

Despite his presence at the negotiating table, Trump has little real influence over the peace talks, serving more as a political prop than a key player. His primary objective is to boost his popularity among voters, securing a path to an unprecedented third term while avoiding potential legal consequences. At the same time, he eyes a Nobel Peace Prize, not for genuine diplomacy, but as a reward for playing into Putin’s hands. Ultimately, there is only one deal the Russian leader will accept. Retaining control over occupied Ukrainian territories and ensuring that Ukraine never joins NATO. Such terms would allow Putin to declare victory, solidifying his image as a triumphant leader at home while Trump postures as a peacemaker on the world stage.

 

[Frankfooter]

Lol Last time you said that I posted the same words from the NATO Sec General. How do you know Russia uses a lot of duds? You are hanging on to one time the leader of one group complained about a lack of ammo. When it comes to ammo, do you think the Russia general staff is gonna supply Wagner or the Russia military. Pregozhin was not willing to take orders to coordinate his ops with Gen Staff. He wanted to conquer Bakhmut to shower himself with glory, as a result he attacked when no allocations were made for an attack and got a lot of people killed. Are you claiming now that Rutte the sec general is a liar? Just because you are out producing NATO does not mean Ukraine is not dangerous, and has no ammo. The goal at this point is not to really defeat Ukraine quickly, its to wipe out their army. If you win fast they will still have many military aged men. If you kill them all then it will be quite a while before they can raise an army that threatens you. You can't even name 1 weapons system that would make a difference? What can they deploy in the next 3 months that might make a difference?

Its a war of drones and missiles now. Not tanks so much and not even really the air force.
None of that was in either Ukraine or Russia's repertoire before this started.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Its a war of drones and missiles now. Not tanks so much and not even really the air force.
None of that was in either Ukraine or Russia's repertoire before this started.

Drones are often a more cost-effective option in modern warfare, as they are generally cheaper per unit and can be reused if they successfully return from a mission. Their versatility makes them invaluable for surveillance, precision strikes, and coordinated swarming tactics that can overwhelm enemy defenses. In contrast, missiles are typically a one-time-use weapon, designed to deliver destructive power with high speed and accuracy. While missiles remain crucial for strategic, high-impact targets, drones offer a more flexible and sustainable approach to modern combat operations.

Most of Russia's tanks have been destroyed in Ukraine. The shortage is so acute that there was only one tank at Russia's Victory Day Parade.

Well This Is Embarrassing... Russia’s Annual Victory Day Parade Featured Just One 80-Year-Old Tank

Up to twenty tanks should’ve made an appearance, but they’re likely strewn in pieces across Ukraine.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Everyone seemed to be missing the points

1 - Since WWII the US has aided or entered numerous conflicts to weaken Russia/Soviet Union
2 - Trump is not a humanitarian and could care less about Americans dying, let alone countries who have not supported him
3 - The US Russia England agreed to provide security that they would never let Ukraine be invaded in exchange of Ukraine to give up their nukes

Why in the flying fuck does everyone not agre that Russia should be destroyed? If Ukraine wants to keep fighting let them and super them as promised. Everything else is bullshit

Except now that trump is prepping plans to invade Panama, is he any different than Putin?
Would you now have to destroy the US if they are a rogue state like Russia and Israel?

 

[oil&gas]

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Such terms would allow Putin to declare victory, solidifying his image as a triumphant leader at home while Trump postures as a peacemaker on the world stage.

Will there be any chance of Putin to declare Russia's loss of
the war if Trump just quits the negotiation and leave it to Macron,
Starmer and other NATO members to confront Putin?

 

[nottyboi]

Its a war of drones and missiles now. Not tanks so much and not even really the air force.
None of that was in either Ukraine or Russia's repertoire before this started.

Drones are a huge part of it, but dropping a 3T bomb on a bunker and being able to correct artillery with drones is also incredibly effective. Russia has a pretty large and capable airforce able to strike anywhere in Ukraine pretty much at will, not only that they have tactical missiles of a vast variety able hit high value targets with very little notice. Go compare ATACMS to Iskander for example. Tanks also still have their role. I have seen videos of Russian tanks taking 3 drones and still keep fighting, so they are clearly evolving as well. Drones are still in their infancy. I have already see a DJI drone adapted with facial recognition fly into a room and hit a dummy with the photo on its face square between the eyes. All for under $500

 

[nottyboi]

Everyone seemed to be missing the points

1 - Since WWII the US has aided or entered numerous conflicts to weaken Russia/Soviet Union
2 - Trump is not a humanitarian and could care less about Americans dying, let alone countries who have not supported him
3 - The US Russia England agreed to provide security that they would never let Ukraine be invaded in exchange of Ukraine to give up their nukes

Why in the flying fuck does everyone not agre that Russia should be destroyed? If Ukraine wants to keep fighting let them and super them as promised. Everything else is bullshit

Because, if you actually get to the point where Russia feels it is at risk of being destroyed they will start nuking countries that are arming Ukraine. and besides Ukrainians don't wanna fight. They are being dragged out to die and that is what people like you are supporting. Geez. Every dollar we send only means more dead Ukranians, and Russians at an 8 or 10: 1 ratio in favor Russia.

 

[nottyboi]

Except now that trump is prepping plans to invade Panama, is he any different than Putin?
Would you now have to destroy the US if they are a rogue state like Russia and Israel?

You talk like that is something new lol.

 

[nottyboi]

Will there be any chance of Putin to declare Russia's loss of
the war if Trump just quits the negotiation and leave it to Macron,
Starmer and other NATO members to confront Putin?

Haha no way the rest of NATO will do it.

 

[Frankfooter]

Drones are a huge part of it, but dropping a 3T bomb on a bunker and being able to correct artillery with drones is also incredibly effective. Russia has a pretty large and capable airforce able to strike anywhere in Ukraine pretty much at will, not only that they have tactical missiles of a vast variety able hit high value targets with very little notice. Go compare ATACMS to Iskander for example. Tanks also still have their role. I have seen videos of Russian tanks taking 3 drones and still keep fighting, so they are clearly evolving as well. Drones are still in their infancy. I have already see a DJI drone adapted with facial recognition fly into a room and hit a dummy with the photo on its face square between the eyes. All for under $500

That doesn't happen any more. Russia used tanks at Kursk and lost most of them though they took it back at great cost.
Nobody is bombing with 4T bombs on either side, nor have they for a while.
Jets are expensive and easier to shoot down.
Tanks are expensive and can taken down with single use drones.
Drones are cheaper and the battle has been more about shutting them down to the point where both sides are using fibre optic drones.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900596806074892428

 

[Frankfooter]

You talk like that is something new lol.

Yes, trump recently ordered battle plans for invading Panama.
That is very new.

White House asks military for plans to seize Panama Canal 'by force': report

President Donald Trump's White House has reportedly asked the United States military to draw up plans to a military operation to retake the Panama Canal.According to NBC News' sources, "U.S. Southern Command is developing potential plans that vary from partnering more closely with the Panamanian...

www.rawstory.com

 

[nottyboi]

Yes but the results speak for themselves.
The superior Russian numbers, do not translate to results.
They couldn't even push the Ukrainians out of Kursk.
So even with lower numbers the Ukrainians seem to be able to not just hold the line in the east, but also cross the border and hold the little they took in Kursk.
That means - the Russians are really bad at war, the Ukrainians are really good, the Russian weapons are bad and the only reason the Russians are able to hold on is due to their superior numbers and ability to throw not just Russians but Africans and N.Koreans into the meat grinder.
I am thinking it is a combination of all of the above.

There was no hurry to push the AFU out of Kursk, the land they took did not represent a risk to Russia and once they contained it, they were content to allow Ukraine to keep sending meat to the cannons. Ukraine may very well be better soldiers man for man. The Germans were probably the best in WWII. It does not matter. Ukraine is mostly using Soviet weapons because most of the Western weapons are too fragile and they can't service them. Ukraine was able to exploit a gap in Russian defenses and invade a part of Kursk, all credit to them. It was certainly a lapse by the Russians. But they are down to a few thousand men from a force of about 20K and scores have been killed . They are surrounded and cut off. Kursk will be over in the not too distant future. Russia has over 20% of Ukraine, Ukraine now has a tiny pocket in Kursk.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Will there be any chance of Putin to declare Russia's loss of
the war if Trump just quits the negotiation and leave it to Macron,
Starmer and other NATO members to confront Putin?

Trump is positioning himself to capitalize on political fame and voter support, seeking his share of the spotlight. In negotiations, Trump and American representatives are bargaining against the Ukrainians, potentially making significant concessions to Putin.
Putin, meanwhile, is desperate to extricate himself from the war, a conflict he initially believed would be a swift victory. He expected to seize eastern Ukraine and key territories near the Black Sea within a week or two, much like his 2014 annexation of Crimea. However, the reality has been starkly different.
Anecdotal evidence of Russia's miscalculations emerged early in the war when Russian soldiers were caught looting household appliances, including washing machines. In one instance, a downed Russian helicopter was found carrying a stolen washing machine. The reason? Russian troops, sent to Ukraine under the assumption of a short campaign, were unprepared for prolonged deployment. Months into the war, without proper logistics, they resorted to theft simply to clean their uniforms.
Historical parallels can be drawn to the Soviet-Afghan War (1979–1989), which resulted in approximately 14,500 Soviet military deaths over a decade, sparking protests from Russian mothers demanding an end to the conflict. In contrast, the war in Ukraine has led to an estimated 165,000 Russian military deaths, with around 800,000 wounded. Putin faces mounting losses in both manpower and equipment.
From Ukraine’s and NATO’s perspective, the minimum acceptable outcome is a full Russian withdrawal. Any compromise short of that risks emboldening future Russian aggression.

 

[Frankfooter]

There was no hurry to push the AFU out of Kursk, the land they took did not represent a risk to Russia and once they contained it, they were content to allow Ukraine to keep sending meat to the cannons. Ukraine may very well be better soldiers man for man. The Germans were probably the best in WWII. It does not matter. Ukraine is mostly using Soviet weapons because most of the Western weapons are too fragile and they can't service them. Ukraine was able to exploit a gap in Russian defenses and invade a part of Kursk, all credit to them. It was certainly a lapse by the Russians. But they are down to a few thousand men from a force of about 20K and scores have been killed . They are surrounded and cut off. Kursk will be over in the not too distant future. Russia has over 20% of Ukraine, Ukraine now has a tiny pocket in Kursk.

I do wonder where you get your news.

 

[glamphotographer]

Ceasefire only for Putin to re-arm and invade again.

 

[glamphotographer]

I do wonder where you get your news.

he gets it from RT.

 

[glamphotographer]

Trump is hoping he gets his Nobel Peace prize but Zelensky gets it.

 

[oil&gas]

Ceasefire only for Putin to re-arm and invade again.

It is better to make Zelensky fight to the last man before a
ceasefire agreement is in place.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Ceasefire only for Putin to re-arm and invade again.

Re-arm with what? Soviet era refurbished tanks and 70 year old men? Putin's military force is diminishing by the day.

It is better to make Zelensky fight to the last man before a
ceasefire agreement is in place.

Zelensky has no choice, it is either fight or surrender. European countries are backing Ukraine because they can not get involved and escalate the conflict into WWIII.
The west and European countries can only contribute equipment.