On the other hand Russia has their Ace of Spades in Trump.
Which is my point.
Ukraine agrees to ceasefire
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Which is my point.
No, remember that massive convoy that arrived on the outskirts of Kiev, well within artillery range? Why did they not open fire? It was to put pressure on Ukraine to negotiate. That resulted in the Istanbul accords. But the west wanted war, so they pressured Z to fight on and when Russia pulled forces back as a confidence building gesture the prowar side of the Ukrainian govt went in an murdered anyone who remotely collaborated with the Russians and created the Bucha massacre. Whole thing feel apart and now more then 1m Ukrainians are dead.Ignoring this?
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Ukraine is not losing the war because flow of aid from the U.S. was cut
off for several days which was then restored.
Using Ukrainian talking points when Ukraine is losing the war? I suggest
you look into historical details of the ceasefire negotiation between Germany
and the allied powers in WWI It is indeed true that Germany did try to negotiate
from the losing side using German talking points. But that was Germany
negotiating peace for Germany. As it turned out Germany's talking points of
the loser were next to useless in securing better terms and conditions. Outcome
of the negotiation were entirely one-sided to the advantage of the winner.
Germany could have used either German or French talking points and the result
would be the same. Of course it would have been dishonourable from Germany's
viewpoint for its representatives to take the side of France.
Ukraine's talking points would only be used if it is Zelensky himself
who is negotiating. Trump is not an ally of Ukraine which is just a proxy
of the U.S. It is more like Trump is using U.S. rather than Russian talking points.
I would agree that having to give away the nation's resouces sucks for Ukrainians. I'd also agree
that no other American president would stoop as low as Trump's feat of peace by extortion. But I
don't see how that makes Trump Putin's proxy. With Trump's mineral deal Putin is not going to be able
to plunder Ukraine's resources (in its unoccuppied territories). And in all likelihood Trump won't
let Putin put his wallet into America-controlled mines in Ukraine.
There is no need to have a president that stokes enmity with Russia, and Trump certainly has not taken any sanctions off Russia and seems very anti China and Iran, both of which are Russian allies. The west has fallen into the trap that anyone that does not hate Russia is a "Putin Puppet" and its sad so many people have fallen into this ideology of hatred. Russia has relations with many nations, long standing relations, its only the West that cannot accept Russia as a powerful and significant nation. This enmity goes back centauries. It is kept alive by those that want us to keep military spending alive. Why else did NATO refuse Russian membership? Because NATO would have no reason to exist without enmity against Russia.
I agree in part, but China is the new "enemy", they'll always have an excuse for military spending and war.
My guess is that a major reason would be that their geo-political aspirations may not be aligned and that Russia
would not be a subservient vassal to the U.S. like the rest of NATO countries,
The devil is always in the details.
Otherwise why wouldn't you accept Russia into the fold to thwart China's growth.
I think he also provided intelligence to the U.S. concerning the impending attack, if I'm not mistaken.
What are you even talking about?
Your response makes no sense.
Ukraine has been denied military aid which it desperately needs to fight Russia.
The Americans who have historically stood by Europe, has now aligned himself with Russia throwing Ukraine under the bus and using Russian talking points.
So yes, it makes sense to argue that Trump is a Russian asset and acting as Putin's proxy.
There is no need to have a President who throws away our relationships that were built over 80 years in favour of a despot.
That happens when the entire administration is compromised.
Well Russians don't think he is a despot and he actually had an election while Zelensky has jailed all the opposition and not had an election. Do you see videos of Russians being dragged of the street and sent to the front to die ill equipped and trained? So as I said before and none of you pro war types has answered. Tell me how the war in Ukraine can be turned into a favorable outcome for Ukraine and funders. Meanwhile in EU Romania they won't even let the leading candidate run for office. lol
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Yeah they've had "elections" where Putin just happens to win every time.
Zelensky has not had an election because the country is at war and 20% of the country is occupied by a foreign power.
You cannot have an election in these circumstances and suspending an election was the right thing to do.
The war in Ukraine can be turned into a favourable outcome for Ukraine by giving them advanced weapons.
But Russia has everything on trump, Kompromat and big financial debts.
that is no excuse. He came to power on an election where Donbas did not vote so its just nonsense. In any case the Ukrainian constitution provides that the Rada takes over of the presidential election is not held. I suppose he could put the question to them to extend his term, but he has not.
. Meanwhile in Romania and EU member, the opposition candidate has been simply banned from running!! lol. And in the USA a Pali has been arrested for free speech with no violence as he protested in favor of Palestine. hmmmNo, they were just over confident and idiotic.
An entire Dunning Kruger armed force.
2 years later and they have done no better than they did in 2014.
Well you don't know that. Russia gate has been debunked, but even if it was not, lets remember that it exposed the TRUTH about democrats manipulating their OWN primary to install Killery as the candidate over Bernie. Russia was accuse of exposing the truth!!!
How terrible, that evil Putin, how dare he show Americans the truth.The reality is Russia is a powerful country and to expect Russia to not have significant global influence is absurd. Its the same has wanting Jupiter to not have gravity,.
Why then did the Istanbul meetings happen? Why would they bother? In 2014 to they took Crimea with maybe 1 or 2 deaths. not bad IMHO.
Trump did ban flow of military aid to Ukraine. But he ban was only
effective for a few days. Trump already lifted the ban. I am not
sure what denial of military aid you are talking about. Biden did
impose certain restrictions on the use of U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
It appears that Trump is called a Russian asset because he
is the one and only one who forges ahead to make peace with
Russia in the place of Zelensky. If none of Zelensky and leaders
of NATO members have the will or ability to fight on and to defeat
Russia someone will have to do the job of ending the war.
I suppose you
are opposed to NATO and NATO members sending troops to
Ukraine, aren't you? It also appears that Europe and the UK are
lacking the will to provide sufficient aid Ukraine needs to win
the war. Certainly they and Zelensky can take the initiative to
negotiate more acceptable terms and conditions for a peace
deal with Russia using Ukraine talking points. But other than
Europe's bluffing of increasing defense budget in preparation
of war with Russia I don't see any sign of anyone on the side
of Ukraine wanting to prolong the war for real. As such they
can only hope Trump succeed and then blame him for losing
the proxy war by being an asset of Putin.
What advanced weapons would you give to Ukraine? Who is gonna operate them? They have been given tanks, ATGMs, Patriot Strom Shadow, M109s M777, millions of artillery rounds, advanced recon and targeting, millions of drones all kinda vehicles, patriot ATACMs you name it. What else? What Wunder Waffe can we give Ukraine to turn it around.
That is okay if Donbas did not vote for him.
There are many states that did not vote for Trump.
That is how elections are.
But when your country is occupied and at war you cannot have elections.
I dont know Ukrainian laws but if it happens to Canada you bet there will be an emergency declared under which not just elections but also your charter rights will be suspended.
He "lifted' it now that Ukraine has agreed to a ceasefire after already having done the damage.
You bet nothing is making to Ukraine right now.
It is just optics.
And yes, forging ahead with peace talks without the party being invaded in said peace talks, making decisions for them and parroting talking points of the enemy, is exactly why Trump is a Russian asset.
