Ukraine agrees to ceasefire

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Russia rejects latest proposal.


Trump will then keep up with sending military aid to Ukraine to
give a hard time to Russian troops. Putin is betting Trump to be
the first one to give in and vice versa. Putin migh have learned
from NATO-US the tactic of making Ukraine to fight to the last man
to weaken Russia. Now Putin is to force Ukraine to fight to the
last man until the total collapse of Kyiv.
 

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I did say in one of my recent posts NATO members would not be dumb
enough to send troops into Ukraine to fight the Russians. I also commented
in various posts on NATO's preparation for war. But I don't think I ever said
they would come to Ukraine's rescue. I did also comment someone else's
remarks on the state of Russian's armies with the implication that NATO
could easily beat the them. I am of the view that NATO leaders and their
troops are sissies so their preparation for war is just bluffing and a ploy
to show they are ready to defend Ukraine as needed. In reality they will
at most just keep up with sending military aid to Ukraine for them to fight
to the last man.

I do recognize that North Korean troops are Putin's cannon fodder. Putin
must have paid Kim to cover expenses of wages and coffins for the troops.
Compared with Kim's troops I am of the view that Ukrainian defenders are
the more unfortunate cannon fodder in NATO's proxy war.They have given
up their lives only to end up begging Trump to safeguard 80% of its territories
from conquest by Putin at the cost of the nation's mineral wealth. I believe
the welfare of North Korean troops are taken care of better by Putin and Kim.
It's more like more Nuclear technology exchanges for the BFFs Putin and Kim...
 
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I wonder what Ukraine proposal was...
Cease-fire agreement could be damaging to Zelensky
politically. By now Ukraine is addicted to foreign aid both
military and financial. Zelensky must keep on fighting
until he can secure better terms and conditions to the
satisfaction of his minions.

Not knowing what Ukraine proposal was I can only say
that for him to keep on fighting to sustain the flow of aid
would be better than a peace deal Putin and Trump can
agree on at this point. Europe's willingness to increase
aid to Ukraine could prolong the war to the point where
either Trump has to give up or Kyiv ends in collapse. Of
course there is always hope on the part of the Europe-Ukraine
axis Putin would be forced to withdraw its armies by
Zelensky's perseverance.
 
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Oh, so Zelensky was right? You can't trust Russia of a cease-fire
Russia hadnt agreed to the cease-fire yet though.

Talks are still ongoing. So long as they're still talking, there's hope
 

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Europe Regularly Supplies Ukraine With Outdated and Defective Weapons

How Does This Affect Course of Conflict?

Jakub Wrona
Mar 7, 2025

Reports have increased in recent months that European states send obsolete weapons to Ukraine, including those that are known to be unreliable and ineffective in combat. These facts raise certain concerns about the quality and effectiveness of the assistance provided by the West to Ukraine. Let’s look at some examples that have become known through open sources and reports from the battlefield.

One example is Spain, which sent a batch of CETME L submachine guns that were withdraw from service more than 20 years ago and known for their reliability issues. Experts question their effectiveness in modern warfare despite being upgraded before shipment.

Another example is France, which sent artillery pieces that have failed in battle, raising questions about their ability to provide effective support. The French CAESAR self-propelled howitzers, which were hailed as high-tech weapons, have proven to be far from perfect. According to Ukrainian military sources, these systems are prone to frequent breakdowns and suffer from insufficient shooting accuracy, which is especially critical considering the significant role artillery plays in the current conflict.

Moreover, about a thousand mortar shells supplied by Bulgaria and Romania have been found to be defective. Some Ukrainian military reports say, some of these shells fail to explode and others misfire, which not only reduces the effectiveness of combat operations, but also creates additional risks for military personnel.

Such cases are not exceptions, but rather the norm. Western countries are actively disposing of outdated and withdrawn weapons by sending them to Ukraine. However, Kyiv has little choice but to accept what the allies offer, despite the fact that the quality and effectiveness of these weapons leave much to be desired.

Why is this so significant? Firstly, due to obsolete and defective weapons, the combat readiness of the Ukrainian military and its efficiency on the battlefield have significantly decreased. In light of a conflict with Russia, which possesses advanced weaponry, this is a crucial factor. Secondly, faulty weapons and ammunition increase the risk of accidents and injuries among personnel. At the same time such assistance erodes Ukraine’s confidence in its Western allies and may lead to a reevaluation of its cooperation strategy, including the exploitation of natural resources from Ukraine’s territory after the conflict concludes, which the United States currently monitors closely.

In spite of the immense efforts and assistance from the West, Ukraine faces increasing challenges in its confrontation with Russia. Obsolete and ineffective weapons only exacerbate the situation.

If we look at the situation objectively, it would be beneficial for the West to dispose of decommissioned weapons. This issue is not only political, but also economic. For Western companies and defense contractors, these supplies can be a convenient way to save money on disposing of old weapons, while creating the illusion of support for Ukraine. However, these actions are not enough for the Ukrainian side to make a significant difference in the war. Maybe it’s time to have a serious discussion about a peaceful resolution. War can’t last forever, and sooner or later, the two sides will need to sit down and negotiate. The current situation with arms supplies could be an opportunity to start peace talks. The question remains: are the parties ready for compromises, or will the conflict continue until resources are completely depleted? Only time will show.

 

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They're nabbing civilian men off the streets now Squeezy...weapons alone will not beat Russian + NoKor...
I'm sure if the US invaded us and Canada wanted to fight back militarily, they would have to tackle you on the street and bring you in because you would run to hide under your bed. LOL

 
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Cease-fire agreement could be damaging to Zelensky
politically. By now Ukraine is addicted to foreign aid both
military and financial. Zelensky must keep on fighting
until he can secure better terms and conditions to the
satisfaction of his minions.

Not knowing what Ukraine proposal was I can only say
that for him to keep on fighting to sustain the flow of aid
would be better than a peace deal Putin and Trump can
agree on at this point. Europe's willingness to increase
aid to Ukraine could prolong the war to the point where
either Trump has to give up or Kyiv ends in collapse. Of
course there is always hope on the part of the Europe-Ukraine
axis Putin would be forced to withdraw its armies by
Zelensky's perseverance.
Personal financial gain is why he wants to keep fighting... Ukraine's manpower is exhausted... He wants the U.S. to keep pledging aid with EU...so that when they are too deep in this conflict...there won't be any other choice but to step in once Ukraine is depleted...but now that U.S. is halting aid...he changed his mind and go for the ceasefire...even if it's not what he wanted...
 

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I'm sure if the US invaded us and Canada wanted to fight back militarily, they would have to tackle you on the street and bring you in because you would run to hide under your bed. LOL

It won't happen...Trump is a good dude...
 
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I thought Trump said they were ready? They had long conversations and Putin would keep his word.

Are you saying it's possible BS?
Trump said Russia was ready to sit down and talk about a ceasefire, he never said they'd agree to a final ceasefire.
The only ones who have agreed to ceasefire terms so far has been Ukraine.

Right now talks are still going. Have patience, grasshopper
 

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Trump said Russia was ready to sit down and talk about a ceasefire, he never said they'd agree to a final ceasefire.
The only ones who have agreed to ceasefire terms so far has been Ukraine.

Right now talks are still going. Have patience, grasshopper
Yeah, about as good as me ready to sit down at the Import dealership to discuss a Ferrari purchase.

Trump is a living and breathing ponzi scheme.
 
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Zelensky was not at the table for the Riyadh negotiation

Prospects for a successful outcome are minimal as both sides keep fighting – Ukraine with drone attack on Moscow

STEPHEN BRYEN
MARCH 12, 2025

Maybe, or maybe not, Steve Witkoff, Trump’s special negotiator, will travel to Moscow, allegedly to brief Russian president Vladimir Putin. Right now Witkoff is in Riyadh with the rest of the US delegation in talks with the Ukrainians.

The Russians have not confirmed any Witkoff visit.

Those talks are supposed to take Ukraine’s temperature on President Trump’s peace initiative. The administration has been saying that any deal will require concessions from both sides, but Ukraine will have to give up territory.

What makes the Riyadh discussions (I choose not to call the meeting a negotiation) bizarre is that Vladimir Zelensky did not attend the talks.

Zelensky is in Riyadh. He met with Saudi Arabia’s real leader, Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Sultan. What they talked about is anyone’s guess. Apparently he stayed on after that meeting, and may be across the hall from where the meeting took place.

It is fair to ask how come Zelensky is not at the meeting and how come he is hanging around. The delegation in the meeting could, of course, consult with him during the breaks, and Zelensky could give instructions.

The Duran says that Washington did not want Zelensky at the Riyadh meeting. This is quite doubtful.

According to the latest from Riyadh, Ukraine says it is ready for a 30 day cease fire. If this is what Washington “extracted” from the Ukrainians, it is operationally meaningless. With Russia on the brink of winning in Kursk and elsewhere, the Russians won’t accept any such deal. If it is a ruse to allow the US to resume arms shipments to Ukraine, knowing Russia will reject it, the so-called peace initiative is a dead letter.

[After this was published, Washington announced it was resuming arms sales to Ukraine. The rest is history.]

On the early morning before the Riyadh meeting, Ukraine launched a massive drone attack on Russia, with Moscow and the Moscow region (along the drone approaches) hit hard. The Ukrainians used domestically produced Palianytsia which carries a 50 kg warhead and can fly 600km at about 800 kph. It is claimed that Palianytsia can operate without needing a man in the loop (meaning now real time communications), but this seems unlikely as video of take downs of Ukrainian drones using jammers have appeared online.

Altogether 337 drones were shot down, according to Moscow, by a combination of Russian air defenses and jammers. The Russians did not report how many drones were launched by the Ukrainians or how many got through and hit their targets. Complicating matters is that a drone that is hit may still fall and destroy property or kill or wound people.

Of the 337 shot down, here is an accounting, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense:

91 UAVs – over the territory of the Moscow region,
126 UAVs – over the territory of the Kursk region,
38 UAVs – over the territory of the Bryansk region,
25 UAVs – over the territory of the Belgorod region,
22 UAVs – over the territory of the Ryazan region,
10 UAVs – over the territory of the Kaluga region,
8 UAVs – over the territory of the Lipetsk region,
8 UAVs – over the territory of the Oryol region,
6 UAVs – over the territory of the Voronezh region,
3 UAVs – over the territory of the Nizhny Novgorod region.

Most of the targets appear to have been apartment blocks, some rail lines, at least one fuel storage facility, and others not yet reported. The number of killed and wounded also is not yet available.

It was provocative for Kiev to launch these attacks, although they had justification in that the strikes could be called retaliatory, at the moment of the meeting in Riyadh. The decision to do so appears to have been taken because Ukraine is close to being solidly defeated in Kursk and is trying to cover up that defeat by deflecting attention from it.

Given the decision to go ahead at the very moment of the discussions in Riyadh also served as a sort of warning to Washington. Ukraine’s real mantra is to keep fighting no matter what the cost.

This explains why it is unlikely in the extreme that there will be a peace process, no matter how much Washington wants one, or says it does.

Quite possibly, the outcome of the war will be on the battlefield, not otherwise.

This leaves Washington and Europe with no real exit. Europe knows that if it tries to save Ukraine with Euro/NATO troops, a general war will start and the Russians will attack NATO’s installations and try and punish those states backing such a mission, namely the UK, France and maybe Germany. In such a case, as President Trump has made clear, the US will not come to the rescue, at least not right away.

There is one interesting development that suggests there may be a way to enforce a deal. The new head of the Organization for Security Cooperation in Europe, Secretary General Feridun Sinirlioglu, visited Moscow the day before the attack, and was shown the results of the drone attack by the Russians.

Relations between the OSCE and Russia have been very bad for a number of years. Apparently Sinirlioglu wants to change that. Sergey Lavrov, who met with Sinirlioglu in Moscow, was upbeat on the potential for change.

What does this have to do with peace in Ukraine? OSCE was the security overseer of the Minsk Accords in 2014 and 2015. Could Moscow be thinking about a return engagement either with a sanctioned peace deal, or some arrangement in future if Russia wins the war? Time will tell.

A key point is that the presence of OSCE (where Russia has a veto) obviates the need for any other peacekeepers, European, NATO or otherwise. This may be at least one plan Moscow has in its back pocket.

Meanwhile Russia continues pressing Ukraine’s army, gaining ground. If Russia forces Ukraine’s army into surrendering, the game is over. Then it is Russia’s problem figuring out what to do with a hostile population and a wrecked infrastructure.

 

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Will Trumputin the asset throw Ukraine under the bus???

 

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Europe isn’t planning for peace
It will pay the price for this tug-of-war

Thomas Fazi
MARCH 12, 2025

In a surprising reversal from the Oval Office standoff between Zelensky and Trump and the suspension of US military aid to Ukraine, Kyiv, late on Tuesday, announced its willingness to implement an immediate 30-day ceasefire — provided Moscow agrees to reciprocate. This followed initial talks between US and Ukrainian representatives in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, prompting Washington to swiftly resume military assistance to Ukraine. “The ball is now in Russia’s court,” US Secretary of State Marco Rubio stated — a sentiment echoed by several European leaders.

This marks a significant shift in the US approach to ending the conflict. Previously, Washington sought to pressure Ukraine into accepting a US- and Russia-brokered deal largely on Moscow’s terms. Now, America is attempting to strong-arm Russia into accepting a ceasefire as the first step toward a broader peace plan — warning that if Moscow refuses, “we’ll unfortunately know what the impediment is to peace here,” as Rubio put it.

Whether Russia will agree remains uncertain. Moscow has repeatedly stated that it does not view a ceasefire as viable without a broader framework for negotiations. But the parties are far from agreeing on this broader framework. Russia’s demands are clear: above all, legal recognition by Ukraine and the West of Russia’s annexed territories as part of the Russian Federation.

Yet, just days ago, Zelensky reiterated his opposition to any territorial concession, while all European leaders (except Orbán) outlined a “peace strategy” that involved boosting Ukraine’s military capabilities (including through the delivery of air defence systems, ammunition and missiles) in order to improve its position at the negotiating table and achieve a deal that “respects Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity”. In other words, no territorial concessions. This would be followed by strong security guarantees in the form of European (ie, Nato) troops on the ground — a demand echoed by Zelensky but firmly rejected by Russia.

It’s difficult to see why Moscow would accept a ceasefire under these conditions — especially as it continues to make gains on the battlefield. But that may be precisely the point from the perspective of Zelensky and European leaders: to “put the ball in Russia’s court”, anticipating that Moscow will reject the offer — thus allowing them to portray Russia as uninterested in peace. If so, it would mean that Trump has been cornered by the pro-war party.

Indeed, ever since Trump began negotiations with Putin to end the proxy war in Ukraine, European leaders have been doing everything in their power to derail his peace efforts, hijack the negotiations and prolong the conflict. After all, their insistence on a “just and lasting peace”, and their emphasis on Ukraine’s “territorial integrity”, is, in effect, a recipe for continuing the war under the guise of “peace through strength” — the same failed strategy that has landed Ukraine in this mess in the first place. Meanwhile, the Europeans have unveiled a sweeping rearmament plan, aimed at deterring Russia’s alleged expansionist ambitions — if not actually preparing for a war with Russia.

This is not the behaviour of those genuinely seeking peace. The same can be said for Zelensky’s insistence on territorial integrity and European peacekeepers — both non-starters for Russia. Adding to the contradictions, just hours before the US-Ukraine meeting in Jeddah, Ukraine launched its largest drone strike yet on the Moscow region, killing at least three people — an unusual way to enter peace talks.

At this stage, the most probable outcome is therefore a continuation of the war — at least in the short term. This would be the worst possible way forward for Ukraine: the longer the war continues, the worse Ukraine’s position will become. However, from Zelensky’s standpoint, it makes sense. If the war were to end, his political career would likely be over — and, in a more extreme sense, his very life could be at risk. In other words, Ukraine’s interests aren’t necessarily the same as Zelensky’s.

The same goes for Europe. From the perspective of Europe’s core interests, it is entirely irrational. Far from protecting Europe, the continent’s military build-up could very well create the very danger it purportedly seeks to avoid. Russia has neither the means nor the intent to invade Europe, yet the continuation of the proxy war, and Europe’s rearmament plans, only increase the risk of escalation. This is the exact dynamic that we saw play out in the case of Nato’s eastward expansion, and then in Ukraine.

Yet for the current European leadership, admitting defeat in Ukraine would be a massive political blow — especially given the steep economic toll borne by ordinary Europeans. The war has arguably become the sole source of purpose for EU leaders; without it, their failures would become painfully obvious. Meanwhile, the massive increase in defence spending, and the escalation of tensions, will further empower military-industrial lobbies and solidify the elites’ grip over European society by undermining welfare states and continuing their stifling of democracy under the guise of “fighting Russian interference” — as we are seeing in Romania.

“Far from protecting Europe, the continent’s military build-up could very well create the very danger it purportedly seeks to avoid.”

Escalating tensions with Russia also offers a chance to further centralise power within the supranational arm of the EU — the European Commission. As Politico reported: “National capitals fear European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen will exploit this crisis to extend Brussels’ powers to new areas and strengthen her influence vis-à-vis national governments.”

Yet it would be a mistake to view the current transatlantic rift solely through the lens of the diverging interests of the European and American leaderships. Beyond these differences, there may be deeper dynamics at play: a coordination between Europe, the Democratic establishment and the liberal-globalist faction of the US permanent state — the web of entrenched interests spanning American bureaucracy, security state and military-industrial complex. These networks all have a shared interest in derailing peace talks and disrupting Trump’s presidency.

The US has, of course, a long history of political influence in Europe. Over the decades, it has built strong institutional ties with the state apparatuses of Western European countries, particularly among their defence and intelligence services. Additionally, the US establishment exercises considerable influence over European public discourse through mainstream English-language media outlets and think tanks. These organisations, such as the German Marshall Fund, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Atlantic Council, help shape the political narratives that dominate European society — and indeed today are at the forefront of pushing the idea that “no agreement is better than a bad one”.

Its origins lie in the Cold War, with the US actively promoting European integration as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. In other words, the EU, especially through its earlier iterations, has always been wedded to Atlanticism, and this has only intensified post-1991. This is why the EU’s technocratic establishment — specifically the European Commission — has historically been more aligned with America than European national governments. Ursula von der Leyen, dubbed “Europe’s American president”, is a prime example of this alignment, working tirelessly to maintain the EU’s commitment to America’s
hawkish geopolitical strategy, particularly regarding Russia and Ukraine.

A key tool in this alliance has always been Nato, which today plays a key role in countering Trump’s efforts to shift the US approach towards Russia. In this context, Europe’s stance, though ostensibly aimed at Trump, stems from the recognition that elements within the US ruling class strongly oppose Trump’s overtures to Putin, harbour deep animosity toward Russia, and view the President’s threats to disengage from Nato and undermine other pillars of the post-war order as a strategic challenge to the systems that have upheld American hegemony for decades.

In other words, what on the surface appears to be a clash between Europe and the US may actually be, in a more fundamental sense, a struggle between different factions of the US empire — and, to a large degree, within the US establishment itself — waged through European proxies. After all, many of today’s European leaders have strong connections to these networks.

This could explain the “irrational” policies of those leaders, at least from the perspective of Europe’s objective interests — first, their blind support of the US-led proxy war in Ukraine, and now their insistence on continuing the war at all costs. According to this telling, the objectives of the transatlantic establishment appear quite clear: to demonise Trump, portraying him as a “Putin appeaser”; and to stoke European anxieties over their military vulnerability, including by inflating the Russian threat, in order to push the public into accepting increased defence spending and the continuation of the war for as long as possible.

Neither side in this transatlantic civil war truly has Europe’s interests at heart. The Trumpian faction deems Europe as an economic rival, with Trump himself repeatedly criticising the EU, calling it an “atrocity” designed to “screw” America. Just last week, he announced plans to impose 25% tariffs on European goods “very soon”. On the other hand, the liberal-globalist faction views Europe as a critical front in the proxy war against Russia.

In this context, a scenario in which Europeans prolong the war in Ukraine — at least in the short term — could be seen as a compromise between the two factions. The US can extricate itself from the Ukrainian quagmire while pursuing rapprochement with Russia and shifting its focus to China and Asia-Pacific, all while placing the blame for the failure to achieve peace squarely on Zelensky and the Europeans.

Meanwhile, Europe’s continued involvement in the war ensures its ongoing economic and geopolitical separation from Russia, and reinforces its continued economic dependence on the US — especially in the context of its defence spending hike, much of which would flow to the US military-industrial complex. At the same time, the European representatives of the liberal-globalist establishment would continue to use the Russian threat to entrench their power. Overall, this arrangement could be seen as acceptable by both sides.

In other words, as the geopolitical researcher Brian Berletic has suggested, what is often presented in the media as an unprecedented “transatlantic rift” may, in fact, be more of a “division of labour” in which the Europeans maintain the pressure on Russia while the US turns its attention to China. What’s worse, the scenario wouldn’t change that much even if some kind of peace deal were eventually worked out. Europe would bear both the cost and the responsibility for post-war security arrangements, while remaining locked in a new Cold War with Russia — all while the United States secures its control over Ukraine’s resources.

The long-term effects of this strategy would leave Europe in a perpetual state of instability, its resources drained by ongoing defence spending and its political autonomy further undermined. The true losers in this arrangement would be the people of Europe — and, of course, Ukraine — who will continue to bear the burden of this geopolitical tug-of-war.

 

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Will Trumputin the asset throw Ukraine under the bus???

Putin hasn't changed his demands, what's Trump going to do now? Is he going to hit them hard like he said he would?
 

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Putin hasn't changed his demands, what's Trump going to do now? Is he going to hit them hard like he said he would?
Trumputin and his cabinet and flunkies went after Ukraine and Zelenskyy hard with lies and bullshit, let's see what he does with Russia and his master.
 
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