Mike Carney to replace Trudeau as Canada’s new PM

[shack]

I mean, if you don't understand what defines left, right, and centre, you could make this argument.

You evidently did not understand my post when I said it's about perspective.

Some people say that the Liberals are radical left bordering on Communist. Others would say that they are a bit left of being centrists. I've been called a leftie and I've been called a rightie. It's all about perspective.

 

[Valcazar]

And ask why the Brits call him Mark Carnage.

You should do that and report back.

 

[Valcazar]

Your second paragraph contains so much apples-to-oranges, it might as well be a fruit salad. Can you join the two concepts of "1% of earners pay 42% of taxes" and "tax rates are 1/3rd of what they were" without me explaining it to you, or do I have to type WEALTH INEQUALITY very slowly, again.

There is a lot that gets hand waved away in these sorts of comparisons, and it is very rare for people to really engage with anything other than their favourite factoids.

 

[shack]

Left, right, and centre are relative terms, different interpretations in the present and always shifting with time.

Exactly what I was saying, but boobtoucher cannot grasp this concept.

If I may use this analogy, boobtoucher is trying to tell us that when you touch the boobs of a 20 year old woman, they will feel the exact same as when you touch those boobs when that woman is 60. Of course they are going to change and feel different. They have shifted and evolved with time, exactly the same as societal standards. (Can I give myself a "like" for this post?)

 

[Butler1000]

You should do that and report back.

Mark Carney — Just What We Don't Need

Carney is the incarnation of elite presumption, predictably wrong on every issue — and if crowned leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, will crash and burn just like Michael Ignatieff, writes John Robson.

www.dorchesterreview.ca

And I have no doubt in time a shit ton will come out.

 

[Valcazar]

Mark Carney — Just What We Don't Need

Carney is the incarnation of elite presumption, predictably wrong on every issue — and if crowned leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, will crash and burn just like Michael Ignatieff, writes John Robson.

www.dorchesterreview.ca

And I have no doubt in time a shit ton will come out.

There's not a single thing in that article about the "Carnage" nickname.

 

[Butler1000]

There's not a single thing in that article about the "Carnage" nickname.

Mostly it comes up on social media. He tries to throw it off as a childhood nickname but there looks to be more to it.

No doubt more will come out.

And don't worry, when it does, I will add it.

 

[boobtoucher]

Exactly what I was saying, but boobtoucher cannot grasp this concept.

If I may use this analogy, boobtoucher is trying to tell us that when you touch the boobs of a 20 year old woman, they will feel the exact same as when you touch those boobs when that woman is 60. Of course they are going to change and feel different. They have shifted and evolved with time, exactly the same as societal standards. (Can I give myself a "like" for this post?)

I grasp what you are trying to say just fine. I disagree with it. We're arguing semantics anyway.

The scale of left, centre, right is fixed definitionally, like the electromagnetic spectrum.

Right now, we're only talking about fascism to socialism. Let's call that the visible light spectrum. There are ideologies outside of that spectrum, but we can't see them without developing new receptors (evolving as a society). The parties are functionally the names of colours. Arbitrary definitions for parts of the spectrum. This is the thing you guys see as changeable over time/as society evolves. Taupe has always been there, we just never used to talk about it.

The politics on offer at a given time are the Overton Window. This is equivalent to putting on a set of tinted glasses: The visible spectrum is still as wide as it has always been, and ordered in the same way it has always been, we are just limiting the parts of it that we can see.

And we're simplifying anyway, because we're only talking left-right, and not authoritarian/libertarian. Political ideology is better defined in 2 dimensions.

 

[Valcazar]

Mostly it comes up on social media. He tries to throw it off as a childhood nickname but there looks to be more to it.

So it is a narrative you heard on the internet and have chosen to believe without evidence.

No doubt more will come out.

And don't worry, when it does, I will add it.

OK.
You do that.

 

[Butler1000]

So it is a narrative you heard on the internet and have chosen to believe without evidence.



OK.
You do that.

Hey, why not try to actually tell us why we should vote for Carney?

Is it because you will have trouble doing so?

 

[Valcazar]

Hey, why not try to actually tell us why we should vote for Carney?

Is it because you will have trouble doing so?

I didn't vote for him for party leader and I strongly suspect I won't vote for him in the general.
I just noticed you kept bringing up this nickname as if it was important so I asked about it.
You now seem mad that "Butler just believed a thing he saw on the internet because it confirmed his priors" happened again.

 

[DesRicardo]

Sheep.

 

[mellowjello]

If Carney was a Conservative, voters from that side would be jerking off non stop.

 

[DesRicardo]

If Carney was a Conservative, voters from that side would be jerking off non stop.

Disagree. Platform matters and No one can really explain Carney's platform.

To me, it seems Liberal voters are more vulnerable to a politician with a nice smile.

 

[Skoob]

I'm not sure why you are trying to compare Pollievre to Hitler.
Transitive properties are for math, not politicians.



I'm still not sure why you think "wanting to fix Canada" is something people are criticizing or using as comparisons to Trump.

Then why are the comparisons to Trump being made if there are none?

 

[mellowjello]

Disagree. Platform matters and No one can really explain Carney's platform.

To me, it seems Liberal voters are more vulnerable to a politician with a nice smile.

Are you saying Carney has a nice smile?

 

[Butler1000]

I didn't vote for him for party leader and I strongly suspect I won't vote for him in the general.
I just noticed you kept bringing up this nickname as if it was important so I asked about it.
You now seem mad that "Butler just believed a thing he saw on the internet because it confirmed his priors" happened again.

Whatever dude. You are just trolling.....

 

[Butler1000]

If Carney was a Conservative, voters from that side would be jerking off non stop.

Um, no, he isn't a populist, he is a neo-liberal.

 

[mellowjello]

Um, no, he isn't a populist, he is a neo-liberal.

What's Trump, a populist or a neo-Liberal?

 

[JohnLarue]

Your second paragraph contains so much apples-to-oranges, it might as well be a fruit salad. Can you join the two concepts of "1% of earners pay 42% of taxes" and "tax rates are 1/3rd of what they were" without me explaining it to you, or do I have to type WEALTH INEQUALITY very slowly, again.

Are you a free market capitalist?

1: Pay your taxes. If you chose not to pay taxes in this country, you may leave it. If you are a corporation, that goes for your business license.
2: If the monopolistic large corp does not exist, other corporations will spring up to fill the need in the market. Some may be more efficient and succeed, some may be less efficient and fail. This is good, actually.

If the government is protecting business, that is not free market capitalism. That's soy boy corporations not being able to swim without government-sponsored safe spaces.

Canada has resources that make it attractive. If you don't care for the country and what it has to offer, in exchange for your fair contribution to society, you are free to leave. <- and that should be government policy.

#1. you will never solve wealth inequality
it is part of human nature

#2. i get furious when ever i see someone telling another citizen to get out if the do not like govt policy
stop that

#3. The truth of the matter is we are definitely taxed too much
1/2 of Canadian families are $200 away from being insolvent and taxes are their largest non mortgage expense

and this does not include the massive future tax burden due to irresponsible govt debt

in the U.S.

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2024 Update

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) made many significant, but temporary, changes to the individual income tax code to lower tax rates, widen brackets, increase the standard deduction and child tax credit, and more.

taxfoundation.org

• The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 22.2 percent in 2020 to 26.3 percent in 2021 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 42.3 percent to 45.8 percent.
• The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.

so there is definitely tax burden inequality as 1/2 of the U.S taxpayers are getting a free ride


the govt debt burden in the US is astronomical 37 trillion

the debt the US govt has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in the next nine years given the status quo
20% of govt revenues are currently spent on servicing the interest costs on the current debt

this is a ticking time bomb and needs to be addressed now
a U.S. govt default will cause a world wide Depression.... not a recession, but a Depression