TBH the parameters of what defines left, right and centre are quite subjective depending on who is making that evaluation.
Mike Carney to replace Trudeau as Canada’s new PM
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I'm not sure why you are trying to compare Pollievre to Hitler.
Transitive properties are for math, not politicians.
I'm still not sure why you think "wanting to fix Canada" is something people are criticizing or using as comparisons to Trump.
So PeePee would rather be able to rant about stuff without knowing the facts that understand what is really going on and not be allowed to spill state secrets?
It's not just payback. It's house cleaning. Several MP's need to go. Just replacing Trudeau isn't enough. And taking a loss is a lesson to the next generation of politicians.
I think we also need a healthy opposition. That can only truly happen if they win every once in a while. I don't see PP as extreme. It's mostly noise. In fact the same noise we all heard about Harper.
Pierre has to work with Trump in order to have a slim chance to beat Carney, in the election!!
He will have to do it again. Carbon emission has been rising since
Trudeau came to power through the last decade. Climate hypocrite
Carney will have to pretend he is going to pull off a 50% emission
reduction by 2030 to save us from climate catastrophe at least in the
minds of climate sheeple voters.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Carney will make the necessary amendments in policy and is the best person to lead the country at this point,
do you think it would serve the country better to not vote him/Liberals in, based on the reasons you just gave?
I mean, if you don't understand what defines left, right, and centre, you could make this argument.
If you want to take a pseudo intellectual position (aka "Pull a Peterson"), and find a way to say that your believes are not aligned with Nazi beliefs (who sat on the right in the Reichstag), you could say that all definitions are subjective, and nothing really means anything. Therefore, who can really say if the Nazi's were left or right, and who can really say what Left is, or even Right?
But what lesson? Trudeaus' policies have been painted as EXTREME LEFT!!! when they were not. He had opportunity to restructure the economy, launch social programs that would lower the cost of housing, etc. and he chose to take the neo-lib path of enriching the capital class. Even the SNC "scandal" was about preserving shareholder value over the life and livelihood of the Libyan people.
We need a left wing party that takes its work seriously, rather than playing culture and identity politics.
Left, right, and centre are relative terms, different interpretations in the present and always shifting with time.
I used to call myself left, not anymore because of how it's evolved.
You say so yourself in the last line of this post.
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100% wrong. Left, right and centre do not shift. What the parties represent shifts.
US democrats used to be right wing. Republicans used to be left. Freeing slaves and large-scale government projects is a left wing view (worker's interest vs. capital's interest).
Austrailia's Liberal Party is right wing.
etc.
Political ideologies are aligned along class lines. Since Regan, major parties have all shifted to serve the capital class.
The very lesson you say we need. I don't think handing the keys to Carney on the first go around is a good idea.
Do you ready think Carney isn't a card carrying member of the rich Neo-Liberal class? As a Bank Chairman and working for both Broomfield and Goldman-Sachs?
Who has a better grasp of a steering wheel on a country's finances, Carney or Pee Pee?
I think he needs time in opposition first. I don't trust him to keep his word. His record clearly shows him as a Neo-Liberal elite.
Looking at the Conservatives 57 page platform(and unless you have taken the time to actually read it you really shouldn't be speaking about having an open mind) it's not unreasonable at all. And I consider Pierre a known entity at this point.
Carney has never been a elected official. Never faced public scrutiny on a national level. Never been really accountable. And has spend the last decades only in elite circles. I question if he understands what low income Canadian experiences are and if he is empathetic enough. Or if he would go into austerity policy thinking(as Paul Martin did) that people suffering is worth it.
Also as you said, he hasn't released a real paper on his intentions. It's all very generic. So no, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. He is REQUURED to earn my vote and others, not handed to him out of misplaced fear. Or partisanship.
Funny how suddenly conservative talking points are the primary mover. What happened to sunny ways, the budget will balance itself?
I get that part.
I had difficulty with the notion that you would not vote for someone strictly for the reasons you mentioned.
It does. I think Carney will govern as an elite, conservative, Goldman Sach/Brookfield CEO who will place austerity policy at the forefront. That is his record. I think he will govern to the needs of the wealthy. That is his record.
And I think the Liberal party needs a good spanking. And some time in the wilderness.
Basically I think Canada needs a change. It's healthy and ensures a centrist democracy. I think it needs a bit of a pendulum swing and Carney is not the one to do it. Not this round. Let him sit in opposition, spend time in the trenches, and as a person a bit helpless to do something. That creates a better politician.
Now, why should I believe Carney?
