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Trump threatens new tariffs on Canada, including 250% tax on dairy

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Here we go again. The Orange Sperm Whale has come up with a brand new "brilliant plan".




A day after offering Canada a one-month reprieve on punishing, virtually across-the-board 25% tariffs, President Donald Trump has threatened new tariffs as soon as Friday on Canadian lumber and dairy products. It’s yet another twist in a serpentine trade policy that seems to shift on an hourly basis.

“Canada has been ripping us off for years on lumber and on dairy products,” Trump said in an Oval Office address Friday, citing Canada’s roughly 250% tariff on US dairy exports to the country. Trump said America would match those tariffs dollar-for-dollar.

“We may do it as early as today, or we’ll wait until Monday or Tuesday,” Trump said. “We’re going to charge the same thing. It’s not fair. It never has been fair, and they’ve treated our farmers badly.”

Canadian trade minister Mary Ng pushed back on Trump’s comments, saying his claim that Canada was “ripping off” the United States was “not true.”


Ng said that Trump’s proposed reciprocal tariffs on dairy and lumber are “completely unjustified.”


“I learned about it just as I was walking into this press conference,” Ng told reporters. “These tariffs if imposed in that order of magnitude is completely unjustified.”


Trump’s announcement gave investors, businesses and consumers another strong dose of whiplash. Just one day earlier, on Thursday, Trump announced a one-month pause on all tariffs on Canada and Mexico on products that comply with the US-Mexico-Canada free trade treaty, known as the USMCA. That had, at least temporarily, given many industries, especially autos and agriculture, a major sigh of relief.


On Friday Trump said more “changes and adjustments” on tariffs should be expected in the future.


“There’ll always be some modifications,” Trump said from the Oval Office. “If you have a wall in front of you, sometimes you have to go around the wall instead of through it.”



Stocks, which were lower to start the day after a mixed bag of a jobs report, initially fell after Trump’s tariff threat but rose after Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell offered a mostly positive outlook on the economy. The Dow ended the day up about 222 points, or 0.5%. The broader S&P 500 rose 0.6%, and the tech-heavy Nasdaq was up 0.7% after falling into correction territory Thursday — a 10% decline from its most recent high.


Markets have fallen deep into the red since Trump took office, with the Nasdaq leading declines. The S&P 500 is down about 3% since Inauguration Day, in large part because of economic uncertainty.


“The market is having trouble digesting the multidimensional chess that Trump and his team are playing,” said Michael Block, market strategist at Third Seven Capital. “This multidimensional chess game is not going well for the grand master. There may be a method to the madness. He might be trying to confuse world leaders. But the market is saying stop confusing us. we don’t like this.”


Trump’s threat on Friday added more uncertainty into an economy that has shown cracks in its foundation and could be in danger of slipping if businesses and consumers grow nervous about the administration’s economic policy. Layoffs are mounting, hiring is slowing, consumer confidence is eroding and inflation is picking up again.


Tariffs could worsen all of those factors.

A dairy spat years in the making

Canada charges exorbitant tariffs on certain dairy products, including a tariff on milk that can be as high as 241%, much to the consternation of America’s dairy farmers, who have complained for years that the border nation is treating them unfairly.


In 2023, a trade dispute panel ruled in favor of Canada, arguing that the high import taxes did not violate the USMCA. Wisconsin Democratic Senator Tammy Baldwin lambasted the decision, arguing it was creating an undue burden on her state’s dairy industry.



“Wisconsin dairy farmers work hard every day to bring world class products to market, and they deserve a level playing field with their global competitors,” Baldwin said in the wake of the November 2023 decision. “This decision flies in the face of the agreement our country made with Canada and puts our Made in Wisconsin dairy products at a disadvantage.”


But Trump, who frequently complained about high dairy tariffs in his first term in office, did not negotiate more reasonable tariffs into the USMCA treaty, which he signed.


Despite the grievances and the alarmingly high number, Canadian dairy is not a significant export, and a reciprocal 241% tariff on milk is unlikely to do significant economic damage to either country.

Lumber tariffs threaten home affordability

Trump has been criticizing Canadian tariffs on US lumber for several weeks, claiming America should respond in kind. He has claimed America can do without Canadian lumber.


An executive order Trump signed Saturday said America has an “abundance of timber resources that are more than adequate to meet our domestic timber production needs.” It’s not quite that simple, industry experts argue: They warn tariffs could end up increasing lumber and building costs — and even push up housing prices for consumers.


The United States has 300 billion trees, but economists and homebuilders caution that America does not currently have the industrial capacity to meet the demand and that placing a significant tariff on Canadian lumber imports could further exacerbate the ongoing housing affordability crisis.


Lumber is a critical ingredient in the US homebuilding industry, and the United states sources about 30% of the softwood lumber it uses annually from Canada. Lumber imports from Canada are already subject to countervailing and anti-dumping duties of 14.5%.


This story has been updated with additional context and developments.


CNN’s Alicia Wallace, Max Saltman and Laura Paddison contributed to this report.
 

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Lumber and dairy products we have other markets for.

It is up to the Americans to reign in the deranged (or playing deranged) Trump. We just have to suffer as long as it lasts.
 

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These are retaliatory tariffs matching the existing ones Canada has on the US products. He plans on matching all tariffs other countries currently have in place on US goods.
Canada has had a 240% tariff on US dairy for years to appease the milk cartel up here to keep out competition, keep dairy prices high and rip off Canadian consumers.
 

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These are retaliatory tariffs matching the existing ones Canada has on the US products. He plans on matching all tariffs other countries currently have in place on US goods.
Canada has had a 240% tariff on US dairy for years to appease the milk cartel up here to keep out competition, keep dairy prices high and rip off Canadian consumers.
And to keep milk full of artificial hormones out of Canada.

That is good for Canadian consumers, not a ripoff.
 

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"Canada is cheating the United States Farmers on USMCA. In 2024, Canada retained Tariffs on various U.S. Goods, particularly in protected sectors like Dairy that are operated under a supply management system. Some examples of Canadian Tariffs on U.S. Dairy outside of the limited quota include:
Milk: Up to 243%
Butter: Up to 298%
Cheese: Up to 245%
These sky high Tariffs are part of Canada’s unfair, long-standing policy to shield domestic producers from foreign competition, especially in Agriculture. Our Great U.S. Dairy Farmers deserve fair treatment from Canada. Enjoy it while you can!"

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That is good for Canadian consumers, not a ripoff.
That's beside the point. If we can place exorbitant tariffs on their dairy, they can do the same to us.

Isn't Canada doing the same with its retaliatory tariffs for the new 25% tariffs?
 
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And to keep milk full of artificial hormones out of Canada.

That is good for Canadian consumers, not a ripoff.
I suspect Canadian and American milk have similar standards but regardless of that you'd have the choice to keep buying Canadian milk- and it would become cheaper.
The Canadian government and dairy farmers are in cahoots to fleece consumers.
 

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Thankfully Canada has those restrictions on Diary Imports especially if we would have products such as the unpasteurized milk making it on our shelves that has caused a lot of health concerns thanks to Conspiracy Theorists like RFK Junior!!:

RFK. Jr's controversial health stances, from vaccines to raw milk
Kennedy is Trump’s pick for health secretary, but he has a history of spreading misinformation about a range of issue

Kennedy has said that he only drinks raw milk. Doing so puts people at risk of foodborne illness, since pasteurization kills off pathogens. As many as 30 states allow raw milk to be sold, but the FDA regulates its sale across state lines.

Raw milk poses a particular threat at the moment, given the widespread bird flu outbreak in dairy cows. The CDC has warned that it might be possible to contract bird flu from drinking raw milk.
 
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danmand

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I suspect Canadian and American milk have similar standards but regardless of that you'd have the choice to keep buying Canadian milk- and it would become cheaper.
The Canadian government and dairy farmers are in cahoots to fleece consumers.
Your suspicion is wrong. Canada does not allow hormones to cows, i.e. in milk.
 

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Thankfully Canada has those restrictions on Diary Imports especially if we would have products such as the unpasteurized milk making it on our shelves that has caused a lot of health concerns thanks to Conspiracy Theorists like RFK Junior!!:

RFK. Jr's controversial health stances, from vaccines to raw milk
Kennedy is Trump’s pick for health secretary, but he has a history of spreading misinformation about a range of issue




Anybody who quotes NBC news probably got the answer to the riddle, lol.
 

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If those quotas are per year:
- That is ~1/3 gallon of milk per Canadian per year
- A bit more than half a pound of cheese per Canadian per year
-1/3 lb of butter/cream per Canadian per year

Those quotas are so low it is a joke, however Trump signed USMCA so breaking his own contract makes him the joke.

Even if dairy was not an issue Trump would have still done what he did.
 

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"Canada is cheating the United States Farmers on USMCA. In 2024, Canada retained Tariffs on various U.S. Goods, particularly in protected sectors like Dairy that are operated under a supply management system. Some examples of Canadian Tariffs on U.S. Dairy outside of the limited quota include:
Milk: Up to 243%
Butter: Up to 298%
Cheese: Up to 245%
These sky high Tariffs are part of Canada’s unfair, long-standing policy to shield domestic producers from foreign competition, especially in Agriculture. Our Great U.S. Dairy Farmers deserve fair treatment from Canada. Enjoy it while you can!"

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Get your facts straight. Your tariffs are too high, and reflect over access quantities and rates.
 
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These are retaliatory tariffs matching the existing ones Canada has on the US products. He plans on matching all tariffs other countries currently have in place on US goods.
Canada has had a 240% tariff on US dairy for years to appease the milk cartel up here to keep out competition, keep dairy prices high and rip off Canadian consumers.
They get a tariff free quota though. US sold 1B in dairy to Canada last year. The tariffs are there to counter massive US subsidies. If the put those tariffs in, just yank their tariff free quota and give that quote to our dairy and maybe some extra to EU.
 
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They get a tariff free quota though. US sold 1B in dairy to Canada last year. The tariffs are there to counter massive US subsidies. If the put those tariffs in, just yank their tariff free quota and give that quote to our dairy and maybe some extra to EU.
I don't care about europe. I think europeans especially eastern ones are assholes. russians and ukrainians are the same asshole between an eastern european ass.
 

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"Canada is cheating the United States Farmers on USMCA. In 2024, Canada retained Tariffs on various U.S. Goods, particularly in protected sectors like Dairy that are operated under a supply management system. Some examples of Canadian Tariffs on U.S. Dairy outside of the limited quota include:
Milk: Up to 243%
Butter: Up to 298%
Cheese: Up to 245%
These sky high Tariffs are part of Canada’s unfair, long-standing policy to shield domestic producers from foreign competition, especially in Agriculture. Our Great U.S. Dairy Farmers deserve fair treatment from Canada. Enjoy it while you can!"

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US farmers have better weather for farming, so we have to level the playing field.
 

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If those quotas are per year:
- That is ~1/3 gallon of milk per Canadian per year
- A bit more than half a pound of cheese per Canadian per year
-1/3 lb of butter/cream per Canadian per year

Those quotas are so low it is a joke, however Trump signed USMCA so breaking his own contract makes him the joke.

Even if dairy was not an issue Trump would have still done what he did.
But the other issue is whether there's any point in importing dairy supplies from the other country when both countries are dairy sufficient?

I can see importing rare minerals or other items that are not available in your own country. But Canada and America both have cows. So cross border dairy imports would seem to be a non issue.

I think the tariff and quotas are there to prevent American dairy farms simply trying to bankrupt Canadian dairy manufacturers by flooding the Canadian markets with product and de stabilizing it
 

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I don't care about europe. I think europeans especially eastern ones are assholes. russians and ukrainians are the same asshole between an eastern european ass.
They are assholes, that's why they have been at war for centauries and both world wars started there. Even the tiny pissant nations are hyper aggressive. Trump is right that Zelensky is a tough guy because he is enabled by the West. All we want is their good cheeses.
 
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