Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

Valcazar

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So you wrote

Thats not what Hegseth said in that video. He said returning conquered land to Ukraine wasnt gonna happen, and he also said Ukraine would not become part of NATO. The peace deal that Russia originally signed in 1990 stated that Ukraine could never become part of NATO, so thats nothing new.

The only thing Russia would get is the conquered Ukrainian land, but Hegseth also said a peacekeeping force in a DMZ zone similar S. Korea is what the US wants, and Russia said they were against that also. So any peace deal that Putin signs which includes a DMZ peacekeeping force would mean Russia is not getting everything they want like you said, because they have been very much opposed to any peacekeeping force in Ukraine
That's cute.
Can you point to that about the DMZ?
 

kherg007

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You wrote

Thats not what Hegseth said in that video. He said returning conquered land to Ukraine wasnt gonna happen, and he also said Ukraine would not become part of NATO. The peace deal that Russia originally signed in 1990 stated that Ukraine could never become part of NATO, so thats nothing new.

The only thing Russia would get is the conquered Ukrainian land, but Hegseth also said a peacekeeping force in a DMZ zone similar S. Korea is what the US wants, and Russia said they were against that also. So any peace deal that Putin signs which includes a DMZ peacekeeping force would mean Russia is not getting everything they want like you said, because they have been very much opposed to any peacekeeping force in Ukraine
BTW security guarantees were part of the original deal.
Those were not honored.
That needs to be kept in mind.
Again we see the deal seems to be "give us half your mineral wealth and trust Putin."

BTW I hope a DMZ gets in there. But right now I have not seen a single concession by the Russians. And they've been gaining advantages. They can more easily hack us govt computers, they got cyber operations stopped, they got weapons to Ukraine stopped, they got Trump and jd Vance attacking zelenskyy to his face and parroting russian talking points to their complete glee.
 
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So we are back to this actually requiring a security guarantee, just like Zelensky said?

Weird.
My understanding is that the kind of security guarantee Zelensky
has in mind would be something not even South Vietnam during the
years when U.S. troops were dying to defend them was entitled to.

We in Canada can expect other NATO members coming to
our rescue when invaded. But I doubt our security is guaranteed.
 

mandrill

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My understanding is that the kind of security guarantee Zelensky
has in mind would be something not even South Vietnam during the
years when U.S. troops were dying to defend them was entitled to.

We in Canada can expect other NATO members coming to
our rescue when invaded. But I doubt our security is guaranteed.
Given that the US took about a quarter-mill casualties in Nam, I suggest you're talking horseshit.
 
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mandrill

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U.S. troops were getting killed and maimed not because they were binded by
security agreement to defend South Vietnam.
Then why tf do you think they were there getting killed and maimed?!..... Coincidence?!
 

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Then why tf do you think they were there getting killed and maimed?!..... Coincidence?!
Well, they said it was in order to prevent communism take over the rest of the world like dominos one after the other.
 

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Anyone who goes against Trump gets a shit ton of death threats BTW.
Again, Romney said he had to spend thousands of dollars on security after voting yes on impeachment.
 

kherg007

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In this case the reporter was pro-Trump, as he asked Zelensky, "why he wasn't wearing a suit.....LMAO"
Correct. I was bringing up the ubiquity of this awful bullshit. Time to round up anyone issuing death threats. Regardless of party.
 
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