It would not surprise me if there was a private call asking Putin to do exactly this.
Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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YOu know why Trump wants something? US spends Trillions and is in debt for Trillions....LoL...that's against efficiency...democrats spent Billions on nonsense...that sesame street in Iran USAID sounds like a good money to help Ukraine now is it?
This seems very vague. Great opportunity to critique Trump again though.
Given the drumbeating of the Trump-Russia conspiracy theme, most people would think the pause would at least last through Trump's four year term.
I think a lot of Americans, Ukrainians and even Canadians would welcome the EU stepping up.
Containment ain't pretty.
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wait wait wait...I thought y'all liberals believe Trump is Putin's bitch? now he's able to encourage Putin?
Why does Zelensky need Trump to open a line to Putin?
Why does Trump need to be paid off to do this?
I mean, sure, if Trump was willing to play tough with Putin and say "we are going to negotiate something and if you fuck up you will face consequences" that might make sense.
But that's... what is it... oh yes, a security guarantee.
Something Trump thinks would be an insult to Putin.
But hey, let's go with something even easier.
Has Putin said he agrees to Trump's terms for a ceasefire?
He told Trump to get stuffed the last time Trump floated anything.
'Truce is a path to nowhere': Russia rejects Trump's calls for a ceasefire in Ukraine
Russia is open to improving relations with the incoming U.S. administration if serious intentions are shown but demands that Washington make the first move. Foreign Minister Lavrov emphasizes the need for a legally binding Ukraine peace deal, dismisses a weak ceasefire, and stresses the security...
Why has Russia rejected Trump’s Ukraine truce plan?
Vladimir Putin and top Russian diplomat Sergey Lavrov have said a deferral in Ukraine’s NATO entry won’t be enough.
Since then Trump has just given Putin concession after concession and also said he would negotiate peace without Ukraine.
So if Trump is meeting with Putin and will end the war by talking with him, what does he need Ukraine for?
Ukraine has nothing to do with the peace deal, according to Trump.
Trump can stop this war himself.
In fact, he said he could stop this war if elected without even being inaugurated.
So it is pretty clear that the person keeping this war going now is Trump, because he wants to get paid.
All the alternatives to end the war suck unless you hold out hope that negotiators can get Putin to leave the Ukraine alone long-term.
Yes, I think you're right. Even a Biden peace deal that was only temporary would have won a Nobel Peace Prize. Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 for ending the Vietnam War. North Vietnamese tanks were rolling into Saigon April, 1975. (Please don't explain to me how the Ukraine differs from South Vietnam. The point is about Noble Peace Prizes.)
There weren't specific guarantees in place.
Biden did warn Russia no to invade or there would be reprisals in terms of sanctions or what have you, of course, which did happen.
But among the many issues with Minsk was the lack of any collective defense obligation.
Why was Zelensky in the Whitehouse if h e doesn't need Trump?
Asking for a mineral deal means, Ukraine allowing US company to operate in Ukraine...why do you think this is bad? This is also good for Ukraine...that's a massive investment potential.
You're just being defiant because Trump...
You mean like picking up a red phone in the Oval Office with a direct link to Putin's office in the Kremlin?
Do you know what deter means?
Russia had already invaded.
So Trump is going to reach out to Putin and stop the war?
Great.
So all we have to do is wait for Trump to do that.
Any further delay is Trump's fault.
I am not even going to verify the figures you posted here, but....
The 175B decimated Russian forces.
Another 200B will fuck them and could mean a Ukrainian victory.
Let me add that funding Ukraine is not something I advocate for, but just answering your question.
And Zelensky is hellbent on getting funding because his country is being invaded and they are fighting for their sovereignty. There is no better reason.
Of course being the wannabe MAGA loyal quisling that you are, you'd argue that "Trust me bro, Trump will reach out to Putin, lets pivot" makes any sense at all.
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OH!I see what you did there val... NATO funding pie chart and "support for Ukraine" is not the same thing...
That "70% stake of NATO" thing was not talking about Ukraine at all.
You were saying that the EU should pay for an equal share of NATO?
So one, you are aware that NATO and the EU are not the same thing, right?
And two, you are aware that people don't "pay into NATO" they have defense spending, right?
If NATO dissolves, none of that defense spending just magically goes away.
But hey, you are going to get what you want!
Just about every country on the planet is going to increase its defense spending, since the US has become a dangerous rogue country that can't be trusted.
Just so I'm clear, your argument is "If everyone spent a lot more on weapons, the world would be more peaceful", right?
Wow, so even Trump's surrogates are now agreeing with Zelensky and saying he's right about security guarantees.
Crazy.
But if you acknowledge that Trump brings nothing to the table as a broker, why would someone want to pay him?
