Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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No they did not.
Russia started the invasion of Ukraine.
That is not a "military consequence".
In that case, can I please have any jewelry, money, anything of value in your home, plus be put as half owner of your home. Of course, you will get nothing in return except a promise I will no longer laugh at your posts but no promises or guarantees. C'mon son, you know it's a good deal, accept my deal and make sure you're wearing a tie before you answer me.because like anything in life, there are no guarantees...what US promised is to bring both russia and ukraine to CONSIDER ending the war... It's costing everyone.... lives and $$$. US finance 70% of NATO... $175B later (from Biden)...the war didn't stop. not even a Trillion $$$ will defeat the Russians...maybe that's the cost plus a few millions of lives to get the war to end... Trump is merely suggesting a short cut... have a partnership with Ukraine (minerals deal) advocate peace with Russia...will Putin consider it? Nobody knows on that side... You've been on terb long enough to know, even a well reviewed SP is not a guaranteed good time...
exactly...sending 175B to Ukraine did not deter Russia...what makes you think another 200B will?
Why is Zelensky so hellbent on getting funding? Trump is basically telling him, he will reach out to Putin because the former president failed... you gotta pivot...
49% of the USA and 99% of the civilized world has been thinking the same since Nov 6, 2024.
edit: Oh... and before that in early Nov 2016.
No idea what "70% stake in NATO" is supposed to be referring to.
Europe, as you know, has contributed more than the US.
That is, of course, not just the EU.
Trump is just lying, as usual.
As for "keep the war going", I assume even you don't intend that Ukraine should put down all its arms until a cease fire or peace deal is negotiated.
Zelensky seems to still be talking about trying to make the mineral deal work. Obviously some US support is better than none.
But you seem to think "sign this deal and the war ends" is a thing, except even you admit that all this was is "sign this deal and maybe I will think about trying to maybe get Putin to agree to something".
I see what you did there val... NATO funding pie chart and "support for Ukraine" is not the same thing...
So he brings in Russia at the table alone without Ukraine or Europe to have out a one-way peace deal and expect Ukraine to say, YES SIR MY KING, whatever you wish sir. LMFAO, you are unique Ritchie, very unique. LMAO
National Security Advisor Mike Waltz just laid it out PERFECTLY. WALTZ: The patience of the American people to keep giving BILLIONS with NO end in sight is NOT unlimited. We made that clear to Zelensky. This war needs to end, and that's gonna take concessions on territory, Russian concessions on security guarantees - all sides coming to the table... only President Trump can make this happen.
Trump has always had the "if we are fighting or if we are involved, someone needs to be paying us" attitude, I agree.
Remember "we should have seized the oil"?
I get that he has that 19th century colonial mindset.
Right.
I get that in your view, Americans won't support Ukraine unless they are getting some scratch on the deal. (Well, Trump is, since Trump thinks he is America and so he should be getting a piece of the action.)
You will notice that Zelensky hasn't abandoned the deal, despite Trump's best efforts to tank it entirely.
The deal has nothing to do with the lack of bloodshed, though.
You've admitted this.
The deal is to show the US is getting money back for the money it put in, right?
So what does that have to do with any end to the war?
None.
I'm not sure why you have so much trouble with that.
Trump promised nothing about ending the war if this deal is signed, as you yourself said.
Unless your argument is now that if Trump doesn't get this deal, he will encourage Putin to attack more?
It is obvious to everybody except the European leaders and Trudeau. The peace agreement will be a worse deal for Ukraine than what they negotiated in 2022.
1,000,000 dead, 5-7,000,000 have left the country. It is rumoured that the male to female ratio is 1 to 18.
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Is that what you got from my post? my my my...the liberals really want war, but expect US to keep footing the bill, the weaponry and maybe the troops too? LoL...I'm not even sure if Putin will show up for the talks squeezy... Trump is merely brokering this.. If Zelensky is on board, he will probably reach out to Putin, gives him the run down on what Zelensky wants, will ask Putin if it's agreeable or not, maybe seek a counter...all he wants is a minerals deal from Zelensky as broker deal...he will probably ask something from Russia too...
