Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[Valcazar]

LoL at the meltdowns from the liberals...you guys never learn... Volo thinks he can walk in on the Whitehouse, demand something without signing that deal...All he really needed to do was sign the deal, shake Trump's hand, mind you i didn't say "kiss the ring" and he screwed it up

Why didn't you say "kiss the ring"?
That was part of it.

...rumor has it, he had a meeting with democrats before heading to the whitehouse...looks like he got bad advice just so Trump can't have a peace deal...a peace deal is another win for the Drumph...that's too much winning...too much winning isn't healthy for the liberals... we need to constantly keep an eye on them....have you checked your vitals yet squeezy?

Ahh, "rumour has it".
And, just curious, what peace deal is it that Trump was about to win with?
Because it was just a minerals deal, wasn't it?
How was that minerals deal going to impose peace?

 

[Bucktee]

These are the [new] citizens that the UK will get to fight the war LOL

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGttpktuAnI/?igsh=Y2oxeTNqOTdsYWhx

When things turn sour, they say goodbye, and head back to their country of origin. Much of Canada is exactly like this.

 

[Frankfooter]

Zelensky on resigning

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896321591883313190

 

[Valcazar]

Zelensky on resigning

He started saying that he would resign in exchange for NATO membership a while ago.
Trump and co will never let that happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

He started saying that he would resign in exchange for NATO membership a while ago.
Trump and co will never let that happen.

Except that trump seems to be pulling the US out of NATO.

 

[richaceg]

And, just curious, what peace deal is it that Trump was about to win with?
Because it was just a minerals deal, wasn't it?
How was that minerals deal going to impose peace?

Are you playing dumb now? didn't know you had it in you...
If Trump can't get Volodymyr to consider peace why bother with Putin?
You still in favor on just sending billions to Ukraine without any investment return? you heard of saying "money don't grow on trees"?
And Justin Trudea said, he's considering sending troops to Ukraine...You wanna sign up for that?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How do you know that?

Well unless you were in a coma for 3 years, you already know why Russia is a threat to Ukraine.

 

[Valcazar]

Are you playing dumb now? didn't know you had it in you...

Of course I can play dumb.
I do it all the time here because it is better to make people express their full thoughts and not count on shortcuts where they think everyone already agrees with them or already knows what they are talking about.

If Trump can't get Volodymyr to consider peace why bother with Putin?

But this wasn't about "considering peace", it was a minerals deal.
Are you going to lay out the minerals deal and how it was really a peace deal or aren't you?

This is what was posted on Wednesday as the text in question.

The full text of the Ukraine-US Minerals Agreement

European Pravda publishes the final text of the “Minerals Deal,” an intergovernmental arrangement that Ukraine and the United States are set to sign this week...

www.eurointegration.com.ua

Thoughts?

 

[richaceg]

Of course I can play dumb.
I do it all the time here because it is better to make people express their full thoughts and not count on shortcuts where they think everyone already agrees with them or already knows what they are talking about.



But this wasn't about "considering peace", it was a minerals deal.
Are you going to lay out the minerals deal and how it was really a peace deal or aren't you?

This is what was posted on Wednesday as the text in question.

The full text of the Ukraine-US Minerals Agreement

European Pravda publishes the final text of the “Minerals Deal,” an intergovernmental arrangement that Ukraine and the United States are set to sign this week...

www.eurointegration.com.ua

Thoughts?

The minerals deal is what Trump wants in return... He can't guarantee peace until he got both parties to talk...
you really think it's better to just fund Ukraine like biden?how did that go?
Look at the EU + Canada pledging = does that look like a peace deal?

 

[Bucktee]

Zelensky on resigning

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896321591883313190

He has no cards, no leverage. This is his pipe dream.

 

[danmand]

Update: Ukrainian peace plan being discussed in London today -

Russia surrenders and accepts full blame for everything
Russia returns all territories including Crimea
Russia pays Ukraine $500 billion dollars in war reparations, maybe more
Putin steps down and is tried for war crimes; West takes over Russian Federation

 

[Valcazar]

The minerals deal is what Trump wants in return... He can't guarantee peace until he got both parties to talk...

So nothing.
The minerals deal is just Trump trying to get his beak wet.

The bit in the minerals deal about the US supporting "Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace" isn't something you want to bring into the discussion here?

you really think it's better to just fund Ukraine like biden?how did that go?
Look at the EU + Canada pledging = does that look like a peace deal?

Are you going to defend the minerals deal as a peace deal or not?
Your claim was that the Democrats tricked Zelensky into tanking it because a peace deal would be a win for Trump.

The closest you've come so far is that "the minerals deal is what Trump wants in return".
In other words, "this is the minimum bribe required for Trump to try and negotiate peace", which means there is no peace deal on the table here.

 

[Valcazar]

Update: Ukrainian peace plan being discussed in London today -

Russia surrenders and accepts full blame for everything
Russia returns all territories including Crimea
Russia pays Ukraine $500 billion dollars in war reparations, maybe more
Putin steps down and is tried for war crimes; West takes over Russian Federation

Are you going to be mad at Putin for rejecting this peace deal?
Don't you want peace at any cost?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Update: Ukrainian peace plan being discussed in London today -

Russia surrenders and accepts full blame for everything
Russia returns all territories including Crimea
Russia pays Ukraine $500 billion dollars in war reparations, maybe more
Putin steps down and is tried for war crimes; West takes over Russian Federation

Finally! lol Anyway, shouldn't it be more like 5 trillion? How much would it cost to fix all the cities Russia has destroyed? Clearing the wheat fields of all the mines they laid?

So. The dream of joining NATO seems pretty lame. As does NATO. They don't have anyone trembling in their boots when you look at their military achievements.

 

[richaceg]

So nothing.
The minerals deal is just Trump trying to get his beak wet.

The bit in the minerals deal about the US supporting "Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace" isn't something you want to bring into the discussion here?



Are you going to defend the minerals deal as a peace deal or not?
Your claim was that the Democrats tricked Zelensky into tanking it because a peace deal would be a win for Trump.

The closest you've come so far is that "the minerals deal is what Trump wants in return".
In other words, "this is the minimum bribe required for Trump to try and negotiate peace", which means there is no peace deal on the table here.

"bribe" nice try...

If let's say zelensky signs the minerals deal... that seems like a good partnership and a motivation for both US and Russia to head for peace for Ukraine...That will probably motivate Russia to not risk getting wiped off the planet.
But what's youre plan? Just send Billions and hope the fighting stops?

 

[K Douglas]

What's with your straw man arguments? That all you got? You obviously don't know enough about the situation to make meaningful comments.

Straw man argument, wtf are you talking about. I'm giving you a direct parallel anecdote. Russia has been concerned for years about NATO encroachment on their borders. After being assured by Clinton that it wouldn't happen.

 

[richaceg]

Starmer can't make up his mind...I thought NATO down to fight for Ukraine with or without US?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896279505834324456

 

[K Douglas]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896211643819806871

I think that's a more than reasonable question. Where did $100+ billion go?

 

[K Douglas]

Starmer can't make up his mind...I thought NATO down to fight for Ukraine with or without US?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896279505834324456

How the UK elected this stupid mofo is beyond comprehension.

 

[squeezer]

"bribe" nice try...

If let's say zelensky signs the minerals deal... that seems like a good partnership and a motivation for both US and Russia to head for peace for Ukraine...That will probably motivate Russia to not risk getting wiped off the planet.
But what's youre plan? Just send Billions and hope the fighting stops?

Then why instead of attacking Zelensky on the world stage wouldn't Vance Rubble and Trumputin Flintstone discuss security guarantees?