You mean you don't want to get into it and risk digging that hole deeper for yourself?
I don't mind. Not my doing.
But answer my question.
Would you argue that Hitler's policies were "pro-Germany"?
Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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I don't mind. Not my doing.
But answer my question.
Would you argue that Hitler's policies were "pro-Germany"?
Did you catch that? Zelensky admits that if Ukraine gets NATO membership, then he has “fulfilled his mission”. His mission is not to govern Ukraine. His mission is NATO membership for Ukraine, which would immediately trigger WW3. The reason his mission is WW3, is because that’s the only scenario where he MIGHT survive. His only way out is if NATO comes in and takes over the fight with Russia directly. That’s his plan, but realistically he would need the US in order to pull it off. Zelensky, and his Deep State handlers, are literally trying to initiate full-scale WW3, in an effort to cover up the largest money laundering scheme in history, and crimes against humanity for bioweapon development. That’s what we are witnessing. This is not about Ukraine’s sovereignty. This is about covering up unfathomable criminality.
Ukraine no longer has to abide by US demands not to bomb deep into russia.
Is this accurate?
Is this accurate?
If NATO would not 'submit the demand' does it make more sense
for NATO or whoever you had in mind to communicate the demand
to Putin?
Without mentioning the threat of nuclear weapons how would you
phrase the demand?
How about saying something like:
"President Putin,
....................as the threat of nuclear weapons must be evident to you
and does not need to be explained we urge you not to use nuclear
weapons in the event of escalation of current conflict between you
and NATO over the sovereignty of Ukraine........"
I heard common sense is cool again.I cant believe I'm actually agreeing with communist Danmand on something
Volunteer? You mean he bought out Trump and is the shadow President now.
Unless you can explain how Zelensky is as evil as Yahya Sinwar, I'll have to disagree with you.
https://x.com/VDHanson/status/1895892571664343159
Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up
1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.
2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.
3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.
4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.
5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?
6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?
7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.
8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?
9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.
10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.
Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up
1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.
2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.
3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.
4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.
5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?
6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?
7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.
8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?
9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.
10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.
Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
4-6K to look like a Columbine shooter?
You guys will give the rich a pass for anything.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started advocating for it. He already talks down to NATO members and said Russia should be back in the G7/G8.
And you would support it as well.
My dad used to say that people with class make everybody feel comfortable. "From the dustman to the Duke."
Trump is an ingracious host and has about as much class as the shit sandwiches he stuffs his face with. Trump is a whiny, Karen, blaming everyone else for his problems. He discards people who have been loyal to him when they no longer suit his purpose. He is not worthy of the office but I respect the democracy that elected him.
If Zelenskyy were to wear a suit you Russian Trumpkin Village Idiots would say he bought the expensive suit with the billions he stole of the 350 BILLION the USA sent him. Oh, and it seems this great businessman is not very good at math, accounting, finance nor the value of cultivating long term benefits. Unlike Putin who has the the little balls of the most powerful man in the world in his hands. For peanuts. Great investment Vlad! Dumb deal with the devil Donnie!
What a cowardly old curmudgeon you are. Calling people who want to defend their homes from a brutal Dictator who was the one who invaded another European country and has SAID he wants to upend and destroy western society.. war mongers? Usually age leads to wisdom but you are getting more unhinged over the most recent years here on TERB.
At your age and experience with life in Europe, you should know better the threat Russia has always posed to Europe and western society.
Then why do lefties put out cruel memes like this?! Elon can't help that he's a bit of an excitable spaz.
NOT FUNNY GUYS!!!
US under Trumputin would be proud we were joining his good buddy Putin and it would do nothing at all.
Do you think he bought it at that price through Russian military
Either way, it's fugly and I wouldn't wear it to the dog fights or to see Trump in the ADX Kansas Supermax prison awaiting the consequences of his treason.
He already said he's going to try. Romanian elections were cancelled due to Russian meddling. The USA wasn't so smart or courageous.
And yes, he'd LOVE to take back the Baltic countries. And he woudl have if there were not NATO/Canadian soldiers on the ground in Latvia for the past 7-8 years. YUP! Your Canadian tax dollars are being spent to defend the western society you love to hate from the brutal war criminal autocrat who is still, at heart, a KGB man.
And there are American boots on the ground in Lithuania for the same reason. Last year the USA said they will be there "indefinitely" such is the United States interests are in need of protection. Wanna bet Trumpkin will pull them out once Putin tells him to in the next top-secret, no notes private meeting with Trump?
US military battalion to remain in Lithuania indefinitely
This is ‘necessary’ to deter Russia, says Defense Minister Laurinas Kasciunas - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr
You are a despicable, blood thirsty old man, who is not satisfied with the loss of over a million people in the war so far.
There was an agreement for stopping the war after the first two weeks, with every page of the agreement initialized by the Ukrainian and Russian negotiators. An hour before it was going to be signed by Zelensky and Putin, Bojo the clown convinced Zelensky not to sign it. The result: totally unnecessary deaths of more than a million people and the emigration of 7 million people from Ukraine.
And this is not enough for you and your ilk. Nothing less than WWIII will satisfy you.
There is no better comedy than that rooted in reality....
You Trumptards sure can dish it out... but cry like whiney little bitches when someone mocks your heroes.
Besides, you should immediately recognized the AI fake! It is Trump that is the monkey that dances to Musk the organ grinder's music!
