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"Why should the victim here surrender their land and sovereignty to Russia, their natural resources to the US and allow themselves to be raped"

Well, sadly, that question has been answered. No fuckin choice.
I think they have a choice if EU steps up.
Or they withdraw from the NPT and develop nukes.
Am actually surprised they haven't yet.
 

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Zelensky is currently at war.
Yes he has access to suits and he used to wear suits before the war started.
But now it would appear out of place when his country is being invaded.
So it is part of his stage managed persona to wear a pullover, and it drives home the message that he is at war trying to negotiate for Ukraine's sovereignty and not there to sign a cozy mineral deal with the US to make Trump look good.
Maybe Zelensky can buy some suits at Value village........LMAO

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But your agenda here is not stopping WW3.
Your agenda here is anti-Americanism or more broadly, anti-west sentiment.
That is usually common amongst old school leftists.
Are you for real ?

You are saying that I am anti- American because I support American policies.

Last I looked, the leftists are in favour of continuing the war. I am in favour of peace.
 
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But it is the threat of such a possibility that will get Putin to back down.
In any case even if this threat is true, then why don't you demand that Russia back down? It affects them too.
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Do you mean if the threat of nuclear attack from an enemy is real
the way to counter that threat is to demand it not to deploy its nuclear
weapons?
 

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Are you for real ?

You are saying that I am anti- American because I support American policies.

Last I looked, the leftists are in favour of continuing the war. I am in favour of peace.
For the old school leftists anti-Americanism is best expressed via pro-Soviet/Russia attitudes.
The current US administration's policies are a marked deviation from time tested American foreign policy positions and as such I consider them anti-American as well.
 

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Do you mean if the threat of nuclear attack from an enemy is real
the way to counter that threat is to demand it not to deploy its nuclear
weapons?
Yes because it would result in a nuclear weapons being deployed against the enemy as well.
In this case it would be the US and EU who'd get dragged into it if things get out of hand.
Mutually assured destruction.
 

danmand

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For the old school leftists anti-Americanism is best expressed via pro-Soviet/Russia attitudes.
The current US administration's policies are a marked deviation from time tested American foreign policy positions and as such I consider them anti-American as well.
Now you are making sense: American policies are anti- American.

I think it means that in order not to have you call me anti-American, I have to be anti-American. Because, If I am pro-American, I am anti-American.

I am thankful you cleared that up.
 
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Remember, we haven’t just been sending over $100B in military aid to Ukraine We’ve also been funding their government and social services Ukraine has been ranked as the #1 most corrupt country in Europe for many years, but when we asked for audits of where the money went under Biden, our own Republican Senators rejected that idea Now you know why they wear Ukraine flag pins They all support their kickback sponsor
 
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I think it means that in order not to have you call me anti-American, I have to be anti-American. Because, If I am pro-American, I am anti-American.
Yes a nice glib convenient argument, where you are sooooo pro-American, that you support an American government that is pushing pro-Russian talking points.
That is cute. However, answer the question below.
Now you are making sense: American policies are anti- American.
Would you argue that Nazi Germany's policies were "pro-Germany"?
 
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Yes because it would result in a nuclear weapons being deployed against the enemy as well.
In this case it would be the US and EU who'd get dragged into it if things get out of hand.
Mutually assured destruction.
Putin will go ROFL receiving the demand of not using nuclear
weapons subimitted to him from NATO. Did Iran ever openly demand
Israel not to use nuclear weapons? I guess they couldn't be that
dumb even if they are defenceless in a nuclear war with Israel.
 

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Putin will go ROFL receiving the demand of not using nuclear
weapons subimitted to him from NATO. Did Iran ever openly demand
Israel not to use nuclear weapons? I guess they couldn't be that
dumb even if they are defenceless in a nuclear war with Israel.
I think it is pretty childish of you to think that NATO would "submit any kind of demand" to Putin.
The threat of nuclear weapons exists and does not have to be mentioned.
My question is for those people who keep going on about WW3.
If there is a threat of WW3, then it is a threat for everyone involved. Russia included.
So it makes sense to expect and demand that Russia, being the aggressor here take steps to increase the peace and avoid such a scenario.
 

danmand

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Would you argue that Nazi Germany's policies were "pro-Germany"?
May I respectfully suggest that you stop digging. Otherwise you will argue that the Soviet Union was pro Germany during WWII.
 
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