Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Marco Rubio reveals that what Zelensky did before cameras started rolling is reason why he should apologize

Marco Rubio slams Zelensky's behavior before cameras started rolling

Marco Rubio said that Volodymyr Zelensky should apologize to Donald Trump and cast doubts on whether the Ukrainian president really wants peace after their disaster meeting.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Nothing in that article suggests any inappropriate behaviour by Zelensky.
Zelensky refused to entertain the possibility that Ukraine's sovereignty was debatable.
The white house is looking to Zelensky to show subservience and make them look good.
And Zelensky rightfully isn't playing ball.
Also, this is an example of MAGA mental gymnastics.
Trump does something stupid.
His entire band of yes men intellectualize, rationalize and try to make it more palatable.
Only cults and dictatorships behave this way.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Yes, NATO's article 5 would be the perfect deterrent.
Zelensky hating everything to do with Russia, is 100% justified.
Can you expect any Ukrainian with an ounce of self esteem to feel anything remotely positive for Russia?
He also does not trust them at all. Again justified.
So yes, he'd want guarantees that Russia is never, ever able to repeat this again.
So stopping the war, is not possible without security guarantees.
Zelensky isn't just going to hand a "win" to Trump (and Putin), sign away his natural resources, agree to losing his land, and leave open the possibility that Russia could attack them in the future at any time.
Anyone who thinks this is "reasonable negotiation" or remotely a "deal" needs to be institutionalized for lack of critical thinking.

Article 5 sounds great until a conflict escalates and Canadians have to go and die in a war.

The whole thing about trust and narrative is very one sided. Every news and information source from the opposite side has been silenced, deplatformed, banned etc. Yeah yeah, I know, it's all Russian lying propaganda. Ukraine - 100% truth, Russia - 100% lies.

The entire conflict was all about resources and influence. Ukraine is a country that has oil, gas, fertile soil, metals and minerals etc. They couldn't be allowed to stay under Russian influence. This was a conflict decades in the making.

 

[Bucksnort]

I do not support a lifetime fraud convicted felon and racist psychopath.

Virtue Signalling so the Leftards like you?

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

They were not just defending Ukraine. But all of eastern Europe as if Putin had easily get Ukraine he would have pursue and conquer much easier countries all around.

Did you think of this all on your own or did you hear it on the news repeated like an anthem?

 

[Bucksnort]

“You either make a deal or we are out“!

Beautiful Donnie! Simply Beautiful!

Go King Donnie, Go!

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Article 5 sounds great until a conflict escalates and Canadians have to go and die in a war.

The whole thing about trust and narrative is very one sided. Every news and information source from the opposite side has been silenced, deplatformed, banned etc. Yeah yeah, I know, it's all Russian lying propaganda. Ukraine - 100% truth, Russia - 100% lies.

The entire conflict was all about resources and influence. Ukraine is a country that has oil, gas, fertile soil, metals and minerals etc. They couldn't be allowed to stay under Russian influence. This was a conflict decades in the making.

So far Article 5 seems to have avoided Canadians having to go and die in a war.
That means it works and is reason enough to believe that it is a good deterrent.
Also yes, there is censorship of Russian views in the west.
However, I think we can all agree that invading a nation is 100% wrong and it is 100% Russia's fault.
Any conflict should have been resolved via diplomacy even if it took several years.

 

[jalimon]

“You either make a deal or we are out“!

Beautiful Donnie! Simply Beautiful!

Go King Donnie, Go!

Go where? He's out.

 

[jalimon]

Did you think of this all on your own or did you hear it on the news repeated like an anthem?

Putin told me. We are pals.

 

[DesRicardo]

I would also say this was more like Geraldo rather than Jerry Springer. Not enough chairs broken or transsexuals.

 

[WyattEarp]

After 1917 revolution countries such as Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia were formed, not liberated.

The Soviet Russia called it "liberation" that's why I put quotes around it. I believe they propped up local communist militias and absorbed these former regions of Russia into the Soviet Union.

 

[SchlongConery]

Virtue Signalling so the Leftards like you?

Not trusting, or supporting an adjudicated fraud and daily liar is a virtue. Supporting and making excuses for a lying fraudster with a self-admitted and adjudicated history of sexual assault also speaks to ones character.

 

[Bucksnort]

Go where? He's out.

Proof you are suffering from ADVANCED dementia my little “soaked” cupcake.

 

[SchlongConery]

Article 5 sounds great until a conflict escalates and Canadians have to go and die in a war.

The whole thing about trust and narrative is very one sided. Every news and information source from the opposite side has been silenced, deplatformed, banned etc. Yeah yeah, I know, it's all Russian lying propaganda. Ukraine - 100% truth, Russia - 100% lies.

The entire conflict was all about resources and influence. Ukraine is a country that has oil, gas, fertile soil, metals and minerals etc. They couldn't be allowed to stay under Russian influence. This was a conflict decades in the making.

Article 5 sounds great when the Russians come over the North Pole for our minerals and our NATO allies come to help what few Canadian soldiers we have. Sad that our greatest ally, and one who Canadian soldiers died alongside of supporting their misguided, dishonest and brutal maladventures in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

 

[Bucksnort]

Not trusting, or supporting an adjudicated fraud and daily liar is a virtue. Supporting and making excuses for a lying fraudster with a self-admitted and adjudicated history of sexual assault also speaks to ones character.

More Virtue Signalling to appease the circle jerk Leftard mentality

The Leftard Cirlce Jerk Club will be in full force for FOUR years! Stock up on a 1,000 bottles of baby oil…you‘re gonna need it boys.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

So far Article 5 seems to have avoided Canadians having to go and die in a war.
That means it works and is reason enough to believe that it is a good deterrent.
Also yes, there is censorship of Russian views in the west.
However, I think we can all agree that invading a nation is 100% wrong and it is 100% Russia's fault.
Any conflict should have been resolved via diplomacy even if it took several years.

As a hypothetical, let's just say that NATO didn't exist. Why would anyone attack Canada knowing that USA will 100% intervene? Who would be even capable of attacking? We are on a different continent that almost everyone else.

 

[WyattEarp]

What's interesting is that left-wingers are usually all about peace, and they have now become warmongerers.

And right-wingers who usually like war, have now become peacenicks

Much if this seems to be acrimony harbored towards Russia that has carried over from the 2016 Hillary fiasco.

Phil, you're probably like me. You note with bemusement that they didn't care when Putin was chewing off pieces of Ukraine in Obama's second term.

 

[oil&gas]

They were not just defending Ukraine. But all of eastern Europe as if Putin had easily get Ukraine he would have pursue and conquer much easier countries all around.

As far as I can see defending Ukraine is not the primary
objective of the proxy war. The proxy war is more about
weakening Russia. By now Putin and Russia has been considerably
weakened. Not likely they could wage another all-out war
after Ukraine which will be saved from conquest by Russia
by Trump's crafty peace-by-extortion scheme if things work out.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

As a hypothetical, let's just say that NATO didn't exist. Why would anyone attack Canada knowing that USA will 100% intervene? Who would be even capable of attacking? We are on a different continent that almost everyone else.

Russia isn't that far from Canada via the Arctic or the West.
And the US would only intervene because of NATO.
Otherwise why would they?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Phil, you're probably like me. You note with bemusement that they didn't care when Putin was chewing off pieces of Ukraine in Obama's second term

Great point.
But now that Trump is involved they suddenly care about the Ukrainian people

 

[WyattEarp]

They're going to have to move their conscription age even lower....In short they're running out of men to put into this meat grinder.

Ukraine lowers its conscription age to 25 to replenish its beleaguered troops

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed three bills into law aimed at strengthening the country’s beleaguered forces.

apnews.com

This and how many young men just picked up and left the Ukraine.

This is all scary and I'm not sure the American and European press is adequately covering the war.