Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

bver_hunter

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I guess you didn't read about the deal. The deal divided Jerusalem based on who was living in each part. And West Jerusalem has been Israeli since 1949. Also worth considering is a chunk of the Old City was Jewish majority until Jordan's army ethnically cleansed the historic Jewish community in 1949.

And yes, Israel wanted to swap land for some settlements. Abbas claimed he was okay with the concept of land swaps so it was just a matter of negotiating which and how much land would be swapped. He chose not to negotiate though and instead waited until there was a new Israeli leadership Abbas knew wouldn't play ball, just so Abbas wouldn't have to deal with it.

Hamas has been clear that they will never accept a permanent peace with Israel existing. That was an issue for Palestinians to deal with in 2008, 2000, or 2025. Abbas rejecting a peace deal because he knew it would be hard to convince Palestinians that a Palestinian state is more important than simply getting rid of the Jews.

Again, the deal Olmert gave was:
- A completely contiguous Palestinian state with a land corridor to Gaza
- Land swaps of 6%
- Evacuation of small settlements
- Jurisdiction in Jerusalem based on the ethnicity of the majority in each neighbourhood
- shared/international sovereignty over the Holy Basin
- a small number of refugees would be allowed into Israel (which considering polling shows very few Palestinians want to become Israeli...)
- The rest receiving compensation and help if they wanted to settle in a third country or in the country they have spent their lives in.

All of this was thrown away by Abbas, in my opinion simply because he knew that after a century of promising Israel's elimination, he wouldn't be able to sell the idea.
Got to blame both sides and not just the Palestinians for scuppering the various negotiations.
The Likud party opposed any concessions just like Hamas did. Even The Labour Party were not too receptive to parts of the deal itself just like the PLO.
But from what I gather in history the actual ethnic cleansing occurred throughout what was then known as the Palestinian State between 1947-1949.
750,000 Palestinians out of 1.9 million were displaced in what was then known as The Nakba.
Jordan eventually took control of The West Bank and East Jerusalem including the Old City.
Then after the 6 day war in 1967, the Israelis took back Control of the West Bank, and East Jerusalem including the Old City.
They expelled around 300,000 Palestinians who were forced to flee to Jordan.
Complicated History that is around 3/4 of a century old that needs to be resolved into a two state solution.
 
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A history presented by cats for the well informed 🤣

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Hush Double F. Adults are posting 🤫
Netanyahu just ethnically cleansed 40,000 Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank and declared they can't go home. He also announced 1200 new 'settlements' on their land.


 
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Netanyahu just ethnically cleansed 40,000 Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank and declared they can't go home. He also announced 1200 new 'settlements' on their land.


The ethnic cleansing project for Gaza and the West Bank is in full swing. Next up is the Palestinian and Bedouin population of POS Nation itself.
 
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Got to blame both sides and not just the Palestinians for scuppering the various negotiations.
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Which again avoids the fact that Olmert made a 100% functional offer, fully in compliance with the UN and Arab league expectations and Abbas laughed at it (actually documented) and chose not to act on it. This was the best chance of peace since the rejection of UN Partition and it is clear who stopped the chance. It is possible that Olmert being in the lame duck phase of his role may not have had sway to get the offer through but we'll never know because Abbas walked away.

As for ethnic cleansing, there are a couple factors you choose to ignore. The vast majority of Palestinians who fled did so long before any Israeli troops were at their door. They fled out of fear that was promoted by both sides (and the small amount who were forced out were from villages actively engaged in fighting). Also worth noting that in this 'ethnic cleansing' 20% of the Palestinian population chose to stay and were welcomed with full citizenship, just like they were promised.

At the same time, a million Arab Jews were chased out of their long-time homelands, by a combination of laws, mob violence, and fear. But instead of locking refugees in camps with zero rights, Israel went through huge economic hardship to integrate these Arab Jews.

Things are far more complex than you portray.
 
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