‘Then provide the university course and where it is in the syllabus. You can’t.
Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.
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Its pretty amusing that you think the problem is the occupied people don't want peace while you back genocide and apartheid.
You and Israel have had 76 years to settle for the two state solution, instead they try to steal more land daily.
Oh gord, not again.
Go ahead and post the quotes.
We both know you don't have them because they don't exist.
Your rage is just out of control
I'm curious where you get all your hate porn.
Not social media, not the news, not human rights reports.
is it straight from the IDF or Netanyahu?
Why won't you support the UN demand for the two state solution?
Because you hate the two state solution more than you hate the one state solution.
You back greater Israel and wiping Palestine off the maps.
I am 100% correct. Abbas did want the Israeli Occupied East Jerusalem to be the Capital of Palestine, something that Israel refused, as it considered the whole of Jerusalem to be its own capital. They would have ceded a small portion of Jerusalem such as Temple Mount and The Old City to Palestine. To this day just a handful of nations do recognize Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel. Israel also wanted to keep a major portion of the illegal settlements, and trade Afula and other desert areas to Palestine. Remember, that at the time even Netanyahu condemned the deal, as he thought that Olmert was too generous to Palestine, while Hamas was at the other extreme end of this Treaty by stating that Abbas was selling out Palestine.
I guess you didn't read about the deal. The deal divided Jerusalem based on who was living in each part. And West Jerusalem has been Israeli since 1949. Also worth considering is a chunk of the Old City was Jewish majority until Jordan's army ethnically cleansed the historic Jewish community in 1949.
And yes, Israel wanted to swap land for some settlements. Abbas claimed he was okay with the concept of land swaps so it was just a matter of negotiating which and how much land would be swapped. He chose not to negotiate though and instead waited until there was a new Israeli leadership Abbas knew wouldn't play ball, just so Abbas wouldn't have to deal with it.
Hamas has been clear that they will never accept a permanent peace with Israel existing. That was an issue for Palestinians to deal with in 2008, 2000, or 2025. Abbas rejecting a peace deal because he knew it would be hard to convince Palestinians that a Palestinian state is more important than simply getting rid of the Jews.
Again, the deal Olmert gave was:
- A completely contiguous Palestinian state with a land corridor to Gaza
- Land swaps of 6%
- Evacuation of small settlements
- Jurisdiction in Jerusalem based on the ethnicity of the majority in each neighbourhood
- shared/international sovereignty over the Holy Basin
- a small number of refugees would be allowed into Israel (which considering polling shows very few Palestinians want to become Israeli...)
- The rest receiving compensation and help if they wanted to settle in a third country or in the country they have spent their lives in.
All of this was thrown away by Abbas, in my opinion simply because he knew that after a century of promising Israel's elimination, he wouldn't be able to sell the idea.
You think Al Jazeera is hate porn?
But AJ is more reliable than your twitter randos.
So you avoid the question because you know Hamas rejects the concept of a permanent Two State peace but you don't want to criticize them.
All you are doing is pulling a Trump and claiming that Israel could have achieved peace without Palestinians being involved in the discussions.
Agree to the deal.
I've posted them over and over again but all you do is make excuses, claim I'm lying, while also repeating the same hateful claims.
I post Al J as well.
You're just at a state where you declare everything as 'rando' just so you can dismiss it without thinking about it.
Even if its Al J.
You refuse to accept news from Al J, Haaertz, CBC or reports by Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, UNICEF, MSF or really anywhere besides the IDF.
Hamas doesn't reject the two state solution.
That's just bullshit you either hang on to or are trying to bullshit in order to justify the ongoing colonization of Palestine.
Israel has wiped Palestine off the maps but you need to say its Hamas that isn't peaceful to feel ok with yourself.
If you can't demonize Hamas then you have to admit you're just a genocidal racist.
I told you.
I won't make deals with zionists and right wingers.
You lie repeatedly and are totally untrustworthy.
If you have proof, post it. Otherwise admit you're bullshitting again.
zionists...
why not just remove all the foreign zionists and let the indigenous Palestinians live their lives?Israeli patriot advocates for the removal of Arabs from Gaza, Judea and Sumaria and move them "far, far away from here" so peace can be restored
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Basic History for the Uninformed:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Crusader Frankish and the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there were the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. there was the Sassanid-Persian Empire before the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid-Persian Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire again, not a Palestinian state.
10. there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state, before the Byzantine Empire.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Jewish Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Jewish Hasmonean state was the Hellenistic Seleucid Empire, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Hellenistic Seleucid empire, there was Alexander the Great's empire, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, the kingdoms of Israel and Judah were not Palestinian states.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
There have been many governments there, but never a Palestine.
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That most certainly is a history for the uninformed.Basic History for the Uninformed:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Crusader Frankish and the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there were the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. there was the Sassanid-Persian Empire before the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid-Persian Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire again, not a Palestinian state.
10. there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state, before the Byzantine Empire.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Jewish Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Jewish Hasmonean state was the Hellenistic Seleucid Empire, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Hellenistic Seleucid empire, there was Alexander the Great's empire, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, the kingdoms of Israel and Judah were not Palestinian states.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
There have been many governments there, but never a Palestine.
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That’s funny. I was referring to you. I’m informed. You’re just brainwashed.Glad you agree. If you read the history then you'll be informed. Another problem solved
That timeline makes the “indigenous” claim non existent. Frankly, it’s laughable.
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Got to blame both sides and not just the Palestinians for scuppering the various negotiations.
The Likud party opposed any concessions just like Hamas did. Even The Labour Party were not too receptive to parts of the deal itself just like the PLO.
But from what I gather in history the actual ethnic cleansing occurred throughout what was then known as the Palestinian State between 1947-1949.
750,000 Palestinians out of 1.9 million were displaced in what was then known as The Nakba.
Jordan eventually took control of The West Bank and East Jerusalem including the Old City.
Then after the 6 day war in 1967, the Israelis took back Control of the West Bank, and East Jerusalem including the Old City.
They expelled around 300,000 Palestinians who were forced to flee to Jordan.
Complicated History that is around 3/4 of a century old that needs to be resolved into a two state solution.
Yes, you are the target audience for that version of 'history'.
Maybe this version will be clearer to you.
