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Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

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Yep, accepted.
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1920 Nebi Musa riots - Wikipedia

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1929 Palestine riots - Wikipedia

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Anti-Jewish riots were happening in the area in 1834 and 1838, long before 'zionism' was a thing.
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‘I’m glad you posted this. It’s clear you haven’t read them because both reference Zionist migration, Zionist migrant displacement of the indigenous population and a malevolent impulse to destroy sacred sites and assert control, such as the Dome of the Rock.

Given what we see today, the fears of the local population were completely justified.
 
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Which is an issue among current Palestinian and Israeli leadership. I have seen no sign of any Palestinian leadership taking a Two State peace seriously. Hamas is outright opposed to any permanent peace that includes Israel. Abbas rejected a comprehensive Two State peace in 2008. Netanyahu is against a full two State peace but there are many Israeli politicians who do support it (and netanyahu is very unlikely to survive the next election).

A path forward towards peace is more complicated than it should be but it is important to realize what the stumbling blocks are, not just hold Israel accountable (and my interpretation of that tendency is racism; people see Jews as more white that Arabs so have higher standards for them).
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Yes, they were just a hair's length from agreeing to a two State Peace Plan. Israel wanted 5.5% of the 7% of settlements in the West Bank to be annexed. That was the sticking point to Abbas' plan that expected the whole of The West Bank to be a part of Palestine with Jerusalem as the Capital.
But eventually a change of leadership in Israel, then The USA and finally Saudi Arabia derailed this whole Peace Plan.
In 2008 more than 75% Israelis supported that Peace Plan. The subsequent issue has been the West Bank Settlements that has now risen to over 700,000 with regards to the population of the new settlers. Hamas is one of the problems and at the other end is Netanyahu who has pledged to increase the number of new settlement homes in The West Bank. Hence, very unlikely to see a new peace Plan in the Horizon.
 
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And you've proven you don't either. It's just like you swearing to the truth of Trump's bullshit when you find it convenient.
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I believe them, support them and post their reports here.
You deny them all and whine about the world being biased against racial supremacists and genocide to the point of calling the UN rapporteur a 'cunt' for reporting on Israeli war crimes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890840678000664729

 
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Which is an issue among current Palestinian and Israeli leadership. I have seen no sign of any Palestinian leadership taking a Two State peace seriously. Hamas is outright opposed to any permanent peace that includes Israel. Abbas rejected a comprehensive Two State peace in 2008. Netanyahu is against a full two State peace but there are many Israeli politicians who do support it (and netanyahu is very unlikely to survive the next election).

A path forward towards peace is more complicated than it should be but it is important to realize what the stumbling blocks are, not just hold Israel accountable (and my interpretation of that tendency is racism; people see Jews as more white that Arabs so have higher standards for them).
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Hamas supports the two state solution, you don't.

If you really backed it you would back the world's demand that Israel end the occupation so the two state solution can be implemented.
Your hatred of the two state solution is so clear that you refuse to even acknowledge or discuss this UN resolution and how it could lead to the two state solution.
You just want Greater Israel instead.

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I believe them, support them and post their reports here.
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Yet say the ICC charges against hamas use of rape are wrong as are HRW and the UN investigations.
Yet you say that Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them legitimate targets.
Yet you keep saying hamas was justified in attacking on the 7th.
Yet you keep saying Hamas shouldn't have to release their hostages.
 
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Yes, they were just a hair's length from agreeing to a two State Peace Plan. Israel wanted 5.5% of the 7% of settlements in the West Bank to be annexed. That was the sticking point to Abbas' plan that expected the whole of The West Bank to be a part of Palestine with Jerusalem as the Capital.
But eventually a change of leadership in Israel, then The USA and finally Saudi Arabia derailed this whole Peace Plan.
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That is incorrect. Israel wanted to swap land which included a land corridor to Gaza and a completely contiguous Palestinian state. if Abbas was interested in the idea, he could have proposed his own map. Instead he just ignored it, knowing that it wouldn't go over well with generations who had been promised the elimination of Israel and knew that Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP reject it.

It's a shame because as you said, a deal was so close. Olmert showed ready to make a Two State Peace but Abbas chose to ignore it. Yes, the governments changed but Abbas had 9 months where he sat twiddling his thumbs and intentionally running out the clock.
 
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‘I’m glad you posted this....
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Maybe you should read it. Using the excuse of some Jews legally immigrating under Ottoman Law, Palestinian leadership incited mob violence against the indigenous Jewish communities. All you are doing is repeating the racist incitement that was used to incite mobs in the first place and the same incitement that still gets used by your terrorist heroes.
 
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Maybe you should read it. Using the excuse of some Jews legally immigrating under Ottoman Law, Palestinian leadership incited mob violence against the indigenous Jewish communities. All you are doing is repeating the racist incitement that was used to incite mobs in the first place and the same incitement that still gets used by your terrorist heroes.
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History has rendered your spin bankrupt.
 
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That is incorrect. Israel wanted to swap land which included a land corridor to Gaza and a completely contiguous Palestinian state. if Abbas was interested in the idea, he could have proposed his own map. Instead he just ignored it, knowing that it wouldn't go over well with generations who had been promised the elimination of Israel and knew that Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP reject it.

It's a shame because as you said, a deal was so close. Olmert showed ready to make a Two State Peace but Abbas chose to ignore it. Yes, the governments changed but Abbas had 9 months where he sat twiddling his thumbs and intentionally running out the clock.
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‘Why don’t they teach that in university Middle East history courses. You know, courses where experts teach facts based on first sources. That’s junk that Hillel pushes….they have to because universities won’t teach it.
 
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Yet say the ICC charges against hamas use of rape are wrong as are HRW and the UN investigations.
Yet you say that Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them legitimate targets.
Yet you keep saying hamas was justified in attacking on the 7th.
Yet you keep saying Hamas shouldn't have to release their hostages.
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Total nonsense as usual, basketcase.
You can't debate the facts, law or human rights so all you can post are straw man attacks while you defend genocide and apartheid and declare I'm evil, like the UN is evil, for reporting it.

You still think killing children so you can steal their family land is just and noble.

 
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Frankfooter said:
Total nonsense as usual, basketcase.
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So now repeating your often stated opinions is nonsense? Your world must suck.

And again, are you willing to put your account on the line if I show you the exact quotes where you say the things I stated?
 
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‘Why don’t they teach that in university Middle East history courses. You know, courses where experts teach facts based on first sources. That’s junk that Hillel pushes….they have to because universities won’t teach it.
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They do. Even Al Jazeera reported on it in depth.. Sadly you choose to get all your hate-porn from twitter.
 
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