Ukraine-Russia peace talks to start this friday in Munich

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A lot of bitching and moaning about Trump on this thread. Of course, hardly anyone is offering any realistic thoughts on what should happen.
I think people are tired of pointing out that Putin can get peace by leaving Ukraine any time he wants to, given he started a war that he can't seem to win.
 

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I think people are tired of pointing out that Putin can get peace by leaving Ukraine any time he wants to, given he started a war that he can't seem to win.
THat won't be peace, that would be setting up WWIII. Putin is winning, Ukraine has lost. Its amazes me some people cannot see the obvious.
 

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A lot of bitching and moaning about Trump on this thread. Of course, hardly anyone is offering any realistic thoughts on what should happen.

The war is a grinding stalemate. The Ukraine is a mess and has suffered incredible losses of human life.
Biden or whoever was pulling the strings in the Administration should have ended this conflict awhile ago.
Yes everyones alternative solution seems to be "to the last Ukrainian"
 
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They did actually have referrendums, unlike Israel who just goes in and kills everyone that refuses to leave.
Putin rules Russia and they do what he dictates they will do. If anything Bibi is more responsible to his cabinet than Putin. Israel unlike Russia is a democratic country.
 

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Putin rules Russia and they do what he dictates they will do. If anything Bibi is more responsible to his cabinet than Putin. Israel unlike Russia is a democratic country.
Lol, that is nonsense. There are many very powerful players in the Russian Security Council. If you paid any attention to Russian politics you would understand that Putin represents a moderate voice in Russia and there are many more voices that seek much greater escalation with NATO. If you really understood what the Russian Oreshnik missile represents, you would probably realize Putin seeks to avoid a nucelar war, and all these steps including the invasion of Urkraine are to prevent a direct NATO-Russia war which will quickly lead to a nuclear war once the NATO conventional forces start getting chewed up.
 
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benstt

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THat won't be peace, that would be setting up WWIII. Putin is winning, Ukraine has lost. Its amazes me some people cannot see the obvious.
You seem to share the Russian delusion that Europe plans to invade. It's not credible.

If Putin lets his soldiers go on home, he might be able to sleep a little easier around them. Revolt should be his biggest concern.
 

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Always happens in Munich

This guy bought peace for Czechoslovakia

Green light for Taiwan invasion now.

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I don't see the similarities with 1938 other than the city.

Russia has paid a terrible price for whatever piece of Ukraine it controls. They weren't ready to fight the Ukraine let alone NATO.
 

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Lol, that is nonsense. There are many very powerful players in the Russian Security Council. If you paid any attention to Russian politics you would understand that Putin represents a moderate voice in Russia and there are many more voices that seek much greater escalation with NATO. If you really understood what the Russian Oreshnik missile represents, you would probably realize Putin seeks to avoid a nucelar war, and all these steps including the invasion of Urkraine are to prevent a direct NATO-Russia war which will quickly lead to a nuclear war once the NATO conventional forces start getting chewed up.
You're as delusional about Russia as Frankie is about the Middle East.
 
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WyattEarp

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I think people are tired of pointing out that Putin can get peace by leaving Ukraine any time he wants to, given he started a war that he can't seem to win.
Regardless of the costs incurred, wars don't always produce satisfactory outcomes for the participants. For all the men and material the Russians have expended, this is not the result they sought.

Historically Russia has won wars through senseless attrition. Hoping they eventually pack up and go home is not a great strategy. Some have argued that the war should be fought until the Putin regime collapses. More likely, the Ukraine collapses politically and/or a terrible escalation is triggered.

Considering that the Ukraine survives with most of its 2022 territory and that NATO was not drawn into the conflict, that could be considered an acceptable outcome.

It's easy to be idealistic standing 5,000 miles away from a war.
 

nottyboi

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You seem to share the Russian delusion that Europe plans to invade. It's not credible.

If Putin lets his soldiers go on home, he might be able to sleep a little easier around them. Revolt should be his biggest concern.

The above is a video of the new EU Foreign minister talking about breaking up Russia. Any further questions to embelish your ignorance? 🫡👌
 

nottyboi

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Regardless of the costs incurred, wars don't always produce satisfactory outcomes for the participants. For all the men and material the Russians have expended, this is not the result they sought.

Historically Russia has won wars through senseless attrition. Hoping they eventually pack up and go home is not a great strategy. Some have argued that the war should be fought until the Putin regime collapses. More likely, the Ukraine collapses politically and/or a terrible escalation is triggered.

Considering that the Ukraine survives with most of its 2022 territory and that NATO was not drawn into the conflict, that could be considered an acceptable outcome.

It's easy to be idealistic standing 5,000 miles away from a war.
Russia wins wars by bleeding out its enemy, yes. Its the lowest risk way to win a war. In the last year or so the attrition has vastly favored the Russians and there are about 1m Ukrianian KIA vs about 100K Russian KIA. As as low risk way to win a war and minimize civilian casualties, its a job well done. Russia could have won this war much faster, but the result would have been vastly higher civilian casualties and greater risk of a NATO confrontation. The way they fought the war ensured they stripped NATO armories clean, and bled out Ukraine so a NATO led counteroffensive is not really viable or possible.
 
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