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Google Has Officially Changed The 'Gulf of Mexico' on Google Maps To The 'Gulf of America'

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So no private healthcare then?...Trump wouldn't go for that.

Sounds like you're in the Kevin O'Leary camp..You're in favour of an economic union.
Nothing wrong with that...Trump would get his Canadian States...he's done after 4 years...there's a lot of upside to having 1:1 Cad to USD....for Canadians...the Canadian States get to keep their resources...zero tariffs...we could probably call it...the United States of North America...
 
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Absolutely not.
They are not hunting corrupt agencies.
An unelected, unconfirmed billionaire with no accountability, evidence or protocol is gutting federal agencies to benefit himself while illegally gaining access to sensitive information.
You have any evidence this is happening?
You're worried about what Elon Musk might or might not do...but not worried about the ridiculous expenses that cost the US millions of dollars?
-Is the Iraq sesame street necessary?
-does US need to fund the training for Sri Lankan journalists to use pronouns?
 
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In terms of the flexibility and the sheer number of doctors you can pick from, and wait times, I would say America does better. Most of the time I can get an appointment same day or within the week. Second opinion if I feel like it. Copays of 20 to 50 dollars per visit for most people isn’t too bad.

Where you get screwed over are emergency room visits and major operations. Transparency isn’t there so you could get hit with a much higher amount than expected.
Bullshit. You are restricted to doctors within your provider. Deductibles can run as high as $14,000 now to make it affordable. Talk to lower income people.

Their outcomes are much worse. Higher mortality rates. Far higher prescription costs and doctors getting kickbacks to get you on them.

No thanks.
 

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You have any evidence this is happening?
You're worried about what Elon Musk might or might not do...but not worried about the ridiculous expenses that cost the US millions of dollars?
-Is the Iraq sesame street necessary?
-does US need to fund the training for Sri Lankan journalists to use pronouns?
As one of the larger Military contractors there is a clear conflict of interest here. Add in no security clearances.

I'm watching to see how long this lasts.
 
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Nothing wrong with that...Trump would get his Canadian States...he's done after 4 years...there's a lot of upside to having 1:1 Cad to USD....for Canadians...the Canadian States get to keep their resources...zero tariffs...we could probably call it...the United States of North America...
It won't happen. The GOP won't let in Puerto Rico or DC. Why would they want to add us?
 

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You have any evidence this is happening?
You're worried about what Elon Musk might or might not do...but not worried about the ridiculous expenses that cost the US millions of dollars?
-Is the Iraq sesame street necessary?
-does US need to fund the training for Sri Lankan journalists to use pronouns?
You have no evidence of whether these programs are necessary or not necessary.
You are going by what Elon is telling you on twitter.
And based on screenshots posted there.
A program can be oversimplified and presented as sesame street in Iraq or whatever, but the details are never presented.
He needs to present details on why these programs are wasteful and do this via established protocols and not on a whim.
The Iraq sesame street or training for SL journalists to use pronouns may very well turn out to be needed programs.
You don't know what you don't know until you dive into the details of it.
Also don't forget that this is all a cover.
He will show you some of these programs and make them appear stupid on social media, while he is really going after agencies such as the CFPB and FEMA, that protects consumers or provides disaster relief.
 
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Bullshit. You are restricted to doctors within your provider. Deductibles can run as high as $14,000 now to make it affordable. Talk to lower income people.

Their outcomes are much worse. Higher mortality rates. Far higher prescription costs and doctors getting kickbacks to get you on them.

No thanks.
The network for most insurances I’ve been on have included majority of doctors. I’ve never come across someone not in the network for a speciality visit. Even if they are out of network, you have a max amount you pay out of network 1000 or 2000 until out of network are paid as well, generally at 80 or 90 percent of the amount.

This is true for most. A full time cashier at Walmart would get the same insurance contract and coverage as a vice president at Walmart.

Where it becomes a problem (while rare) is a 100k hospital charge out of network, you’re still paying 10k, maybe 20k coinsurance. The other problem is denied claims but you can avoid that by talking to your insurance company prior to going and going with their suggestion to avoid a denied claim.

We are unhealthier because most Americans eat shit and are obese. The doctors are not taught to diagnose comorbities of obesity correctly. If you go to cardiologist, he’s going to look at only the cariovascular system in a vacuum. If you go to an orthopedic surgeon, he will look at that in a vacuum. Pharma costs are higher because we eat the cost of drugs so the rest of the world gets a subsidized amount. Even so, the worst copay I’ve seen for a pharma prescription is 50 dollars, which the majority being 5 dollars or free for a generic. If you are poor, you probably qualify for Medicaid.

Does the healthcare system need more work? Absolutely but it’s not as bad a media sensationalizes it. A small price to pay for not being socialist.
 
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The network for most insurances I’ve been on have included majority of doctors. I’ve never come across someone not in the network other than if I’d have surgery and my doctor is in network and theanethesiologist on call is out of network. Even if they are out of network, you have a max amount you pay out of network 1000 or 2000 until out of network are paid as well, generally at 80 or 90 percent of the amount.

This is true or most of the lower middle class and up. A full time cashier at Walmart would get the same insurance contract as a vice president.

You’ve been fed bullshit. Where it becomes a problem (while rare) is a 100k hospital charge out of network, you’re still paying 10k, maybe 20k coinsurance.

We are unhealthier because most Americans eat shit and are obese. The doctors are not taught to diagnose comorbities of obesity correctly. If you go to cardiologist, he’s going to look at only the cariovascular system in a vacuum. If you go to a orthopedic surgeon, he will look at that in a vacuum.
It is all good when you have a good, full time job at a reputable company. I had great health insurance when I worked for IBM 50 years ago.
What we have in Canada is Universal health care, which means everybody has health care.

If any Canadians like the American system, they are free to go across the border for health services. I myself go to New York once a year for medical imaging, and some years ago I had surgery at the Mayo Clinic. We have easy access to private health care.
 
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It is all good when you have a good, full time job at a reputable company. I had great health insurance when I worked for IBM 50 years ago.
What we have in Canada is Universal health care, which means everybody has health care.

If any Canadians like the American system, they are free to go across the border for health services. I myself go to New York once a year for medical imaging, and some years ago I had surgery at the Mayo Clinic. We have easy access to private health care.
Don’t you have long wait times to see specialists, limited availability of specialists due to shortages, long ER wait times due to overcrowding, and no prescription drug coverage, dental, vision?

Maybe fine for uninsured (about 8%) but all of those would drive most people (the other 92%) in the US nuts.
 

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Don’t you have long wait times to see specialists, limited availability of specialists due to shortages, long ER wait times due to overcrowding, and no prescription drug coverage, dental, vision?

Maybe fine for uninsured (about 8%) but all of those would drive most people (the other 92%) in the US nuts.
Our prescription drugs, dental and vision are generally much lower in cost than in the US.
I think prescription drugs are 300% higher in the US.
And now dental is covered for certain incomes by the government.
And most people have supplemental insurance.
But all hospital visits, procedures and drugs administered in a hospital are covered.
That is the primary cost that can make you go broke.
I agree though that all those things should be covered as well.
 

Butler1000

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The network for most insurances I’ve been on have included majority of doctors. I’ve never come across someone not in the network for a speciality visit. Even if they are out of network, you have a max amount you pay out of network 1000 or 2000 until out of network are paid as well, generally at 80 or 90 percent of the amount.

This is true for most. A full time cashier at Walmart would get the same insurance contract and coverage as a vice president at Walmart.

Where it becomes a problem (while rare) is a 100k hospital charge out of network, you’re still paying 10k, maybe 20k coinsurance. The other problem is denied claims but you can avoid that by talking to your insurance company prior to going and going with their suggestion to avoid a denied claim.

We are unhealthier because most Americans eat shit and are obese. The doctors are not taught to diagnose comorbities of obesity correctly. If you go to cardiologist, he’s going to look at only the cariovascular system in a vacuum. If you go to an orthopedic surgeon, he will look at that in a vacuum. Pharma costs are higher because we eat the cost of drugs so the rest of the world gets a subsidized amount. Even so, the worst copay I’ve seen for a pharma prescription is 50 dollars, which the majority being 5 dollars or free for a generic. If you are poor, you probably qualify for Medicaid.

Does the healthcare system need more work? Absolutely but it’s not as bad a media sensationalizes it. A small price to pay for not being socialist.
"A full time cashier get the same coverage as a VP"

My god, you really are this uninformed. That's only if they pay for the premium plan. The lowest plan you pay 400 month with a 2500 deductible. Then there is claims denial. Then co pays. Then the hours threshold that they enforce to prevent you qualifying.

The big one however is how it depresses wages and ties you to an employer. It's a mean of control and to prevent people quitting over fear of no health insurance. And employers will use increased costs if Healthcare as an excuse to not give cost of living raises.

And how many smaller employers even offer it? A large portion of the population has to buy private coverage. At a premium. So they can only afford catastrophic.

There is a reason why nobody gave a shit when that CEO got shot.
 
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Why is it called the Gulf of Mexico when the US Gulf border is longer. I think a compromise would be Gulf of the Americas. Still this is petulant given all the other issues that matter more.
 
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"A full time cashier get the same coverage as a VP"

My god, you really are this uninformed. That's only if they pay for the premium plan. The lowest plan you pay 400 month with a 2500 deductible. Then there is claims denial. Then co pays. Then the hours threshold that they enforce to prevent you qualifying.

The big one however is how it depresses wages and ties you to an employer. It's a mean of control and to prevent people quitting over fear of no health insurance. And employers will use increased costs if Healthcare as an excuse to not give cost of living raises.

And how many smaller employers even offer it? A large portion of the population has to buy private coverage. At a premium. So they can only afford catastrophic.

There is a reason why nobody gave a shit when that CEO got shot.
Look you idiot, I said they have access to it. They can opt for a high deductible plan. It’s not my fault they are a cashier. Also, you dont pay 400 a month you fucking moron. It varies by company and provider.

Go shove your high taxes up your ass you fool. Advocating for murder too huh. Is this what they teach in Canada after they steal your money to provide you with shit services. Use your socialized medicine to see a psychiatrist while you’re at it.
 
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Don’t you have long wait times to see specialists, limited availability of specialists due to shortages, long ER wait times due to overcrowding, and no prescription drug coverage, dental, vision?

Maybe fine for uninsured (about 8%) but all of those would drive most people (the other 92%) in the US nuts.
Not really no. And we don't get denied coverage. You had a CEO who wanted to stop coverage of anesthesia IN THE MIDDLE OF OPERATIONS. It took a CEO getting shot in the street to back track that.

Every time I had to visit the ER it was fine. Got in in a timely fashion at a very busy hospital. I have numerous friends who are Cancer Survivers and recieved excellent care and are in remission. Others fir heart attacks, other issues.

True on other care, but neither do you so it's a moot point. And we have so many options on things. I can also get in to see my doctor without issues. And numerous walk in clinics available as well.

Nothing is perfect. But you are being lied to. You are the only western nation without Universal coverage. Except over 65. Ask the vast majority of users if they would give up Medicare for private. What do you think the answer is? And your outcomes are far worse. You even admit that in how bad your specialists can be.
 

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Don’t you have long wait times to see specialists, limited availability of specialists due to shortages, long ER wait times due to overcrowding, and no prescription drug coverage, dental, vision?

Maybe fine for uninsured (about 8%) but all of those would drive most people (the other 92%) in the US nuts.
Wait until you get older. I have many friends in USA who worked for IBM and other high tech companies. When old age sets in, they have health insurance, bet co-payments and prescription drugs cost more every year than they spend on housing. How many bankruptcies are caused by medical expenses in USA.

More importantly, universal health care is not just "fine" for the less advantaged. It is a basic human right to have access to health care. All civilized countries, even many poor countries recognize that.
 

PeterParker1000

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Not really no. And we don't get denied coverage. You had a CEO who wanted to stop coverage of anesthesia IN THE MIDDLE OF OPERATIONS. It took a CEO getting shot in the street to back track that.

Every time I had to visit the ER it was fine. Got in in a timely fashion at a very busy hospital. I have numerous friends who are Cancer Survivers and recieved excellent care and are in remission. Others fir heart attacks, other issues.

True on other care, but neither do you so it's a moot point. And we have so many options on things. I can also get in to see my doctor without issues. And numerous walk in clinics available as well.

Nothing is perfect. But you are being lied to. You are the only western nation without Universal coverage. Except over 65. Ask the vast majority of users if they would give up Medicare for private. What do you think the answer is? And your outcomes are far worse. You even admit that in how bad your specialists can be.
I’m not being lied to if I live it. It is fine. Don’t speak for me you got it? You don’t even live here old man. Your system would fall apart if you had the population we didz
 
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