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[Butler1000]

What a not well thought out, emotionally charged response. You present a false dichotomy - suggesting that the only choices are either universal healthcare or a system that is cruel, profit-driven, and indifferent to human suffering. The reality is far more complex.

Healthcare is not just a “right”. It is far more complex than that. You can’t just turn on universal healthcare without massive trade offs. We are 40b in debt. We can’t add another 70b and plunge everyone into economic chaos in order to save some dad dying of cancer. I will always take the 80/20 principle on implementing policies.

You are a tiny country by population and don’t have the same burdens as the US. You can implement things like this contingent your economy doesn’t fail.

You can. You are the richest nation on the planet.

And again. You are placing profit above people. Just own it. Just say "I think poorer people should die, and be worse off, so I can be better off, because I think I am better than them"

Implementation is easy. Gradually increase in Medicare eligibility, coupled with price controls on services, malpractice tort reform, and the rest sorts itself out in the market. Insurance companies adjust, drug companies adjust(they are lying to you, most drug research is done via govt grants through university research. Or to their own facilities), over the course of 10-20 years tops.

Start with coverage to kids. Cover to age 18. Then gradually up the age. They are actually the cheaper medical expense ones, generally needing less, and also have the least income and need more help with that.

It's just political will. It can be done. And all the money both businesses and individuals pay to insurance companies and providers who overcharge will easily balance it out. It will in fact cost less. Numbers don't lie.

But insurance companies do. Drug companies do. CEO's do. And politicians at the behest of donors do.

 

[PeterParker1000]

You can. You are the richest nation on the planet.

And again. You are placing profit above people. Just own it. Just say "I think poorer people should die, and be worse off, so I can be better off, because I think I am better than them"

Implementation is easy. Gradually increase in Medicare eligibility, coupled with price controls on services, malpractice tort reform, and the rest sorts itself out in the market. Insurance companies adjust, drug companies adjust(they are lying to you, most drug research is done via govt grants through university research. Or to their own facilities), over the course of 10-20 years tops.

Start with coverage to kids. Cover to age 18. Then gradually up the age. They are actually the cheaper medical expense ones, generally needing less, and also have the least income and need more help with that.

It's just political will. It can be done. And all the money both businesses and individuals pay to insurance companies and providers who overcharge will easily balance it out. It will in fact cost less. Numbers don't lie.

But insurance companies do. Drug companies do. CEO's do. And politicians at the behest of donors do.

Gradually increasing destabilizes the market. That is just going to drive up private insurance costs. Providers are also going to say no thanks and opt out of the network. Different private insurance networks will develop.

R&D costs aren’t a lie. Yes pharma tries very hard to lobby for government grants and they succeed but it’s still a fraction of the total r&d costs. I’ve been involved in this.

Malpractice costs make up a small fraction of healthcare spend.

There are too many political hurdles and push back from pharma with this plan. It won’t work.

 

[Butler1000]

Gradually increasing destabilizes the market. That is just going to drive up private insurance costs. Providers are also going to say no thanks and opt out of the network. Different private insurance networks will develop.

R&D costs aren’t a lie. Yes pharma tries very hard to lobby for government grants and they succeed but it’s still a fraction of the total r&d costs. I’ve been involved in this.

Malpractice costs make up a small fraction of healthcare spend.

There are too many political hurdles and push back from pharma with this plan. It won’t work.

You really don't get it for you?

They way it works is providers are not given the choice. It's one payer. The government. Providers are not allowed to run private clinic except for certain elective surgery. And they are not allowed to turn away patients or deny care. Where are providers going to opt out too?

We had the fight here. Doctors lost. Guess what? They found out they like being paid guaranteed and also not have to chase for fees. Lower malpractice fees( US pays anywhere from 5000 to 100,100,000 per year) along with lower payouts.

Insurance companies here offer limited coverage, usually for dental, prescription, physio/chiro, occasional eye glass, private hospital room, and the like. We are continuing to try to add more to the public model.

But in the USA it isn't a public "option" that Biden lied about. It's Medicare for all. The insurers are out. The providers are guaranteed payment, but on a price schedule.