Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.
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Why wouldn't you think so?
Trump ran on "Biden isn't doing enough, I will take the leash off of Israel" etc.
I'm trying to parse your argument. Do you think if Biden had appeared to support Israel less, Trump would support Israel less?
What would be the motivation?
It isn't like Trump saw Biden's approach and said "In order to define myself in opposition, I will run on not supporting Israel".
Are you saying that Trump picks his positions based on "I want to do what Biden is doing, but MORE of it!"
Besides the basic weirdness of your question being "Try and read Trump's mind", I just don't parse the logic behind it.
No, the evidence doesn’t support that. He made no such proposal during the first term.
Now, in his second term, he cites the genocide and apocalyptic conditions that currently exist in Gaza as his reasons.These conditions were brought about by POS Nation with the full political, (and diplomatic cover) financial and military support of the Biden administration. That military support included US troops on the ground in Israel, naval support and active US Air Force support (and at least 2 more air forces) to shore up Israeli defenses that were insufficient to protect Israel from Iran’s counterattack.
Biden and the Dems handed Trump a genocidal and apocalyptic wasteland. A wasteland that just about everyone saw coming despite the insipid and transparent doublespeak of Biden, Blinken, Harris and other Dems
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American support for Israel did not start with Biden in 2020.
That is a constant.
So American backing of Israel cannot be blamed for Israel's actions in Gaza.
Even without much American backing (which wouldn't have ever been withdrawn whoever was in power), Israel would have done what they did.
You are trying to predict Trump's actions, based on a reality that does not exist.
This sounds like mental gymanastics to me.
I asked a simple question.
Who is better for the Palestinians? Harris or Trump?
I’m only speaking in concrete terms. I’m not talking about how Biden “appears”. I’m talking about what he and his administration actually did and of being a partner in the genocide of Gaza and Palestinians. If Biden hadn’t not financed, armed, provided diplomatic cover and provided military cover, Gaza would not have suffered this genocidal apocalypse. The current state Gaza is in was intended to bring Gaza to this point - to facilitate those who want to complete the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
This is hardly a simple question when you talk about people who proudly claim that they love death more than their enemies love life. They have a masochistic need to wallow in his sorrows, generation after generation. Who knows what is “better” for them
How very convenient that the West is ever willing to commit war crimes and genocides.
I think his new argument is that either October 7 would have never happened under Trump so Israel wouldn't have had it's latest reason to escalate or that Trump would have stopped Israel if he had been in power in 2023.
He seems to be taking Trump at his word that Trump only thought of this because the bombing already happened and if Israel simply hadn't bombed, Trump would have never have thought of supporting Israel.
Your edited quote is a good example of that.
Not sure what example you are citing.
But what I said is accurate.
There is no political reality where the US does not support Israel.
Any administration, any president, Republican or Democrat.
So tell me what has he done? It seems like they're getting wasteful spending and keep the humanitarian aid going...it doesn't mean no USAID there won't be any...the cries of the left is simply louder than it needs to.
Trump was instrumental with the ceasefire...hrs also not interested in the conflict...not also neocon friendly....there's no ethnic cleansing like the Biden cleansing...Trump isn't a rightie...he's leaning center but from where uou stand, anyone close to center is a rightie...
Forcing people to leave their homes under the guise of 'improvement' is not progress, it’s displacement. History shows us this rarely ends well for those displaced.
This brings us back to the pre election debates and your argument that in an election between hitler and hitler lite you have to vote for hitler lite. While enough people just said they can't vote for any form of hitler at all. Which is why the hitler always wins in that kind of contest.
Now some people are arguing that after a year of full on genocide paid for by the US that they really should be blaming those who wouldn't vote for hitler lite instead of blaming a system and party that could only offer hitler choices.
trump is offering ethnic cleansing because he's an idiot, without full on invasions of Egypt and Jordan there is no way they will take that many refugees. And if Israel tries to push them into the sea, or push them into Lebanon and Syria they risk full on regional war. Netanyahu's hard core base is salivating over this possibility but Netanyahu is already a wanted war criminal and Israel already a pariah state that can only exist with full US military support now. trump's ethnic cleansing is just as stupid as invading Panama, Greenland or Canada.
trump's ceasefire is in effect, though of course Israel continues the genocide in the West Bank. But trump's US isolationist policy is the real change here, they've lost all their close allies with idiotic moves like threats against Canada. Nobody trusts him, so its the US and Israel going it alone while american unrest is going to take all of his focus soon.
Gaza has been destroyed and ethnic cleansing is impossible. The only real way trump can make it worse is to let Netanyahu get away with starving Gaza to death and continuing the genocide in the West Bank.
Using your example...
That is not what people did though.
They voted for hitler because they were angry at hitler lite.
That is stupid.
You seem to be arguing that every president has supported Israel equally.
Do you really think Carter and Reagan would have paid for a year of genocide?
No other POTUS has ever let Israel go this far before.
19 million people who voted for Biden stayed home and didn't vote.
The #1 reason cited was the genocide.
From 2020 to 2024, Democrats saw a staggering dropoff in support at the presidential level, with some 19 million people who voted for Joe Biden staying home (or not mailing in their ballots) in 2024. Now, a new survey conducted by YouGov suggests Biden’s support for Israel’s unrelenting assault on Gaza played a surprisingly large role in the choice of those previous Biden supporters not to vote. (Read the full poll here.)
The top reason those non-voters cited, above the economy at 24 percent and immigration at 11 percent, was Gaza: a full 29 percent cited the ongoing onslaught as the top reason they didn’t cast a vote in 2024.
Kamala Harris Paid the Price for Not Breaking With Biden on Gaza, New Poll Shows
Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov.
www.dropsitenews.com
