Did you really hear or listen to Trumps statements? i don't know how anybody with sanity would come up with "ethnic cleansing"
I h ave never seen liberals having this serious meltdown.... since yesterday...
USA to take over GAZA
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Geographically re-locating people based on race/ethnicity is literally the definition of ethnic cleansing; there is nothing new about it. In fact, this is what Israel has been attempting to do for decades and as you noted the results have been a shit show.
A new approach might involve Israel’s returning the land they seized in the 1967 war and both sides’ embracing a 2-state solution. This is not a new idea but actually implementing it would be very new.
What Trump is proposing is literally the definition of ethnic cleansing:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.
Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia
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don't worry about the plan how to get there, imagine it all works nicely, just tell me who is eventually going to live where and where the borders of israel/palestine are going to be
Now that is a home runWhat Trump is proposing is literally the definition of ethnic cleansing:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.
Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia
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You’re welcome.
He plans to help rebuild Gaza...- for Palestinians... US will no longer just send $$$$ willy nilly and hope the Palestinians will be smart enough to rebuild Gaza...because once Hamas gets a hold of the funding, it goes somewhere else... It's the Palestinians call in the end if they wanna accept or they want to rebuild Gaza themselves. He's not sending troops without Congress approving it... it will be a proposal....you guys are thinking way too ahead of this... you need to calm down...What Trump is proposing is literally the definition of ethnic cleansing:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.
Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia
You have now learned something new today.
You’re welcome.
2 state will be achieved if Hamas doesn't rule Gaza...they are the problem.
Are you allowed to ask questions like that? It makes certain people have to deal with reality when they'd rather avoid it.
And most of it detrimental to the US and most of the world.
Meaning the PLO and now hamas have refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. That has to absolutely be the first thing because without that, nothing else that is negotiated matters.
Funny you should mention that, the same day when USA and Israel are holding a joint press conference where they announce that Palestine has no right to exist.
copied and pasted from The New Yorker magazine today:
The Madness of Donald Trump
To Benjamin Netanyahu’s delight, Trump proposes the wholesale ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the creation of a new “Riviera.”
By David Remnick
February 5, 2025
Photograph by Mohammed Salem / Reuters
More than five hundred years ago, Machiavelli, the philosopher of political practice and modern republicanism, suggested, in “Discourses on Livy,” that “at times it is a very wise thing to simulate madness.” Richard Nixon, according to his chief of staff H. R. Haldeman, apparently arrived at a similar conclusion, saying, “I call it the Madman Theory, Bob. I want the North Vietnamese to believe I’ve reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We’ll just slip the word to them that, ‘for God’s sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can’t restrain him when he’s angry—and he has his hand on the nuclear button’—and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace.”
On Tuesday, President Trump appeared alongside the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in the East Room at the White House, and declared that the two million Palestinians in Gaza should be forced out of the Strip. The United States would “take over” Gaza and “own” it. The Palestinians, after having suffered tens of thousands of deaths and the destruction of countless homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, and other infrastructure, would, it appears, have nothing to say about any of this and would be sent . . . elsewhere. Egypt. Jordan. Whatever. It hardly seemed to matter to Trump that such a policy represents ethnic cleansing. Morality is of no interest when there is a real-estate deal to be made.
“We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal, and I don’t want to be cute, I don’t want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East—this could be something that could be so—this could be so magnificent,” Trump said. (The Riviera: “A sunny place for shady people,” as W. Somerset Maugham put it.) “We’ll make sure that it’s done world-class,” Trump went on, building on the real-estate pitch. As he’d noted earlier in the day, “It doesn’t have to be one area, but you take certain areas and you build really good-quality housing, like a beautiful town, like someplace where they can live and not die, because Gaza is a guarantee that they’re going to end up dying.”
Netanyahu expressed confidence that the plan would “usher in the peace with Saudi Arabia and with others.” The Saudis issued an official statement rejecting Trump’s proposal, but the newly minted yes-men performed on cue: Secretary of State Marco Rubio tweeted that “the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again.”
As Trump spoke, Netanyahu could not resist a smile so broad that it must have ached after a while. He could not have imagined a greater gift from the American President or the provision of greater political cover back home. His gratitude was boundless, and he knew well enough to slather on the grease of flattery. “I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again: you are the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House,” Netanyahu said to Trump, for the cameras. “I believe, Mr. President, that your willingness to puncture conventional thinking, thinking that has failed time and time again, your willingness to think outside the box with fresh ideas, will help us achieve all of these goals.”
Netanyahu’s cheerleaders in the Israeli press, such as Amit Segal, of Channel 12, hailed the news, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, one of the leaders of the annexationist wing of Israeli politics, tweeted, “Donald, this looks like the beginning of a beautiful friendship.” Amos Harel, the well-respected reporter and analyst for Haaretz, the liberal daily, told me, “The right wing here is euphoric. There is no way to figure this out. Maybe Trump is more delusional than I thought. He has more energy than Biden, but . . . wow.”
This is not the first time that the Trump family, which has made substantial financial investments in the region in recent years, has envisioned Gaza for its resort potential. Last February, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner said in an interview at Harvard University that “Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable. . . . It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up.” Kushner has retreated from White House politics, remaining for now in Miami, but he views himself as a grand strategist of the Middle East. At Harvard, he said that “proactively recognizing” a Palestinian state would be a “super-bad idea.”
After watching Trump and Netanyahu, I spoke with Mkhaimar Abusada, a political scientist at Al-Azhar University, in Gaza, who has been teaching this year at Northwestern University. “I’m depressed, man,” he told me. “I don’t even know what will happen, but I do know that the Palestinians are against this and would rather live in tents and in the rubble of their destroyed homes than leave. And we all know that the neighboring countries, Egypt and Jordan, have said no to this idea.” King Abdullah II, of Jordan, and President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, of Egypt, both see an increased Palestinian population in their countries as a demographic and political threat to their regimes. Also, although both countries have long-standing peace treaties with Israel, it is unclear how Trump’s proposal and Netanyahu’s pleasure in its pronouncement might affect those arrangements.
Aaron David Miller, a veteran diplomat and analyst of the Middle East, told me that his “head was exploding” as he watched Trump. “In twenty-seven years of working for Democrats and Republicans, I’ve never heard a press conference like this,” he said.
Miller, of course, is aware that Trump’s intention, always, is to shock, to play the madman, and thus frighten his rivals and alter the terms of the debate. Maybe, just maybe, it will all dissipate, Miller suggested. Trump habitually says outrageous things, watches how they land, and, often enough, distances himself from his own provocations. (Will he seize Greenland? The Panama Canal? Make Canada the fifty-first state?) Perhaps Trump thinks he’ll be able to prop up Netanyahu at home and so deeply alarm other Middle Eastern leaders that he will be able to both muscle Iran into a deal that ends its nuclear ambitions and complete a broader regional settlement with Saudi coöperation. Or perhaps Trump’s latest performance is of a piece with the strategy of “flooding the zone” with so much chaos and deceptive rhetoric, and with so many mind-altering proposals and appointments, that, while the establishment’s collective head explodes on an hourly basis, he achieves at least some of his fondest ambitions.
And yet it seems inevitable that there will be a price for all the madness. Miller cautioned that, although Trump may back away from his proposal of ethnic cleansing and Riviera creation, such a performance sends a particularly dangerous message: “It is a nod to Putin that he can keep the territory he’s taken in Ukraine, and to Xi, who might now have more confidence about establishing a blockade of Taiwan in preparation for an invasion. It all reflects the mind-set of an unserious man.”
Nixon considered himself to be a profound thinker on global strategy. And yet it’s important to recall that, though he might have convinced himself that his act would bring the North Vietnamese leadership to heel, that misbegotten war ended in American defeat. Similarly, Putin’s veiled nuclear threats during his war on Ukraine, and Trump’s threats of “fire and fury” against North Korea, in 2017, hardly proved decisive, much less constructive. The President’s decision to deploy, yet again, a display of chaotic bravado—an enactment of the Madman Theory, if that’s what it is—will do nothing to bring a lasting peace to the Middle East, and brings disgrace to the United States.
The Madness of Donald Trump
To Benjamin Netanyahu’s delight, Trump proposes the wholesale ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the creation of a new “Riviera.”
By David Remnick
February 5, 2025
Photograph by Mohammed Salem / Reuters
More than five hundred years ago, Machiavelli, the philosopher of political practice and modern republicanism, suggested, in “Discourses on Livy,” that “at times it is a very wise thing to simulate madness.” Richard Nixon, according to his chief of staff H. R. Haldeman, apparently arrived at a similar conclusion, saying, “I call it the Madman Theory, Bob. I want the North Vietnamese to believe I’ve reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We’ll just slip the word to them that, ‘for God’s sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can’t restrain him when he’s angry—and he has his hand on the nuclear button’—and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace.”
On Tuesday, President Trump appeared alongside the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in the East Room at the White House, and declared that the two million Palestinians in Gaza should be forced out of the Strip. The United States would “take over” Gaza and “own” it. The Palestinians, after having suffered tens of thousands of deaths and the destruction of countless homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, and other infrastructure, would, it appears, have nothing to say about any of this and would be sent . . . elsewhere. Egypt. Jordan. Whatever. It hardly seemed to matter to Trump that such a policy represents ethnic cleansing. Morality is of no interest when there is a real-estate deal to be made.
“We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal, and I don’t want to be cute, I don’t want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East—this could be something that could be so—this could be so magnificent,” Trump said. (The Riviera: “A sunny place for shady people,” as W. Somerset Maugham put it.) “We’ll make sure that it’s done world-class,” Trump went on, building on the real-estate pitch. As he’d noted earlier in the day, “It doesn’t have to be one area, but you take certain areas and you build really good-quality housing, like a beautiful town, like someplace where they can live and not die, because Gaza is a guarantee that they’re going to end up dying.”
Netanyahu expressed confidence that the plan would “usher in the peace with Saudi Arabia and with others.” The Saudis issued an official statement rejecting Trump’s proposal, but the newly minted yes-men performed on cue: Secretary of State Marco Rubio tweeted that “the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again.”
As Trump spoke, Netanyahu could not resist a smile so broad that it must have ached after a while. He could not have imagined a greater gift from the American President or the provision of greater political cover back home. His gratitude was boundless, and he knew well enough to slather on the grease of flattery. “I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again: you are the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House,” Netanyahu said to Trump, for the cameras. “I believe, Mr. President, that your willingness to puncture conventional thinking, thinking that has failed time and time again, your willingness to think outside the box with fresh ideas, will help us achieve all of these goals.”
Netanyahu’s cheerleaders in the Israeli press, such as Amit Segal, of Channel 12, hailed the news, and Itamar Ben-Gvir, one of the leaders of the annexationist wing of Israeli politics, tweeted, “Donald, this looks like the beginning of a beautiful friendship.” Amos Harel, the well-respected reporter and analyst for Haaretz, the liberal daily, told me, “The right wing here is euphoric. There is no way to figure this out. Maybe Trump is more delusional than I thought. He has more energy than Biden, but . . . wow.”
This is not the first time that the Trump family, which has made substantial financial investments in the region in recent years, has envisioned Gaza for its resort potential. Last February, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner said in an interview at Harvard University that “Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable. . . . It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up.” Kushner has retreated from White House politics, remaining for now in Miami, but he views himself as a grand strategist of the Middle East. At Harvard, he said that “proactively recognizing” a Palestinian state would be a “super-bad idea.”
After watching Trump and Netanyahu, I spoke with Mkhaimar Abusada, a political scientist at Al-Azhar University, in Gaza, who has been teaching this year at Northwestern University. “I’m depressed, man,” he told me. “I don’t even know what will happen, but I do know that the Palestinians are against this and would rather live in tents and in the rubble of their destroyed homes than leave. And we all know that the neighboring countries, Egypt and Jordan, have said no to this idea.” King Abdullah II, of Jordan, and President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, of Egypt, both see an increased Palestinian population in their countries as a demographic and political threat to their regimes. Also, although both countries have long-standing peace treaties with Israel, it is unclear how Trump’s proposal and Netanyahu’s pleasure in its pronouncement might affect those arrangements.
Aaron David Miller, a veteran diplomat and analyst of the Middle East, told me that his “head was exploding” as he watched Trump. “In twenty-seven years of working for Democrats and Republicans, I’ve never heard a press conference like this,” he said.
Miller, of course, is aware that Trump’s intention, always, is to shock, to play the madman, and thus frighten his rivals and alter the terms of the debate. Maybe, just maybe, it will all dissipate, Miller suggested. Trump habitually says outrageous things, watches how they land, and, often enough, distances himself from his own provocations. (Will he seize Greenland? The Panama Canal? Make Canada the fifty-first state?) Perhaps Trump thinks he’ll be able to prop up Netanyahu at home and so deeply alarm other Middle Eastern leaders that he will be able to both muscle Iran into a deal that ends its nuclear ambitions and complete a broader regional settlement with Saudi coöperation. Or perhaps Trump’s latest performance is of a piece with the strategy of “flooding the zone” with so much chaos and deceptive rhetoric, and with so many mind-altering proposals and appointments, that, while the establishment’s collective head explodes on an hourly basis, he achieves at least some of his fondest ambitions.
And yet it seems inevitable that there will be a price for all the madness. Miller cautioned that, although Trump may back away from his proposal of ethnic cleansing and Riviera creation, such a performance sends a particularly dangerous message: “It is a nod to Putin that he can keep the territory he’s taken in Ukraine, and to Xi, who might now have more confidence about establishing a blockade of Taiwan in preparation for an invasion. It all reflects the mind-set of an unserious man.”
Nixon considered himself to be a profound thinker on global strategy. And yet it’s important to recall that, though he might have convinced himself that his act would bring the North Vietnamese leadership to heel, that misbegotten war ended in American defeat. Similarly, Putin’s veiled nuclear threats during his war on Ukraine, and Trump’s threats of “fire and fury” against North Korea, in 2017, hardly proved decisive, much less constructive. The President’s decision to deploy, yet again, a display of chaotic bravado—an enactment of the Madman Theory, if that’s what it is—will do nothing to bring a lasting peace to the Middle East, and brings disgrace to the United States.
Trump is not rebuilding Gaza for Palestinians. He wants all 2 million Palestinians in Gaza deported to other Arab countries.
