What Everyone Gets Wrong About Tulsi Gabbard

[Butler1000]

That is why Trump is purging all of the “good people” from every facet of government and replacing them with his own loyal deep state.

Trump will keep the country in a perpetual state of emergency and chaos which will then be used as justification for him to declare states of emergency, override congress, suspend the constitution, and make himself Leader for Life. That’s what he tried last time but he didn’t have enough stooges in place to get it done; this time he’s getting off to an early start and stripping down the civil service and inserting culture wars into the military.

And I’m not sure what gives you faith in the American people after they just elected a fascist who channeled Hitler throughout his campaign. The American people want the US to be a white ethno-state…they will be cheerleading Trump as he burns down democracy.

Are you sleeping at all?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Are you sleeping at all?

No…your Mom’s snoring keeps me awake.

 

[Butler1000]

No…your Mom’s snoring keeps me awake.

So no. You are worrying over something you have absolutely no control over.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

So no. You are worrying over something you have absolutely no control over.

I keep telling your Mom to use her CPAP machine but she is stubborn and won’t listen…plus…we can hear you wandering around the basement at night: When tf are you gonna move out and get a job?

 

[Butler1000]

I keep telling your Mom to use her CPAP machine but she is stubborn and won’t listen…plus…we can hear you wandering around the basement at night: When tf are you gonna move out and get a job?

The problem I think is you haven't been getting laid. You need a bit of post nut clarity in your life.

 

[Valcazar]

That is why Trump is purging all of the “good people” from every facet of government and replacing them with his own loyal deep state.

Clearly just the necessary egg breaking needed to make the omelette.
The "good people" will stop things before they inconvenience anyone other than the "bad people" Trump and Gabbard and company will target.
That's just how government works.
Things magically work out and everybody is happy.

Trump will keep the country in a perpetual state of emergency and chaos which will then be used as justification for him to declare states of emergency, override congress, suspend the constitution, and make himself Leader for Life. That’s what he tried last time but he didn’t have enough stooges in place to get it done; this time he’s getting off to an early start and stripping down the civil service and inserting culture wars into the military.

And I’m not sure what gives you faith in the American people after they just elected a fascist who channeled Hitler throughout his campaign. The American people want the US to be a white ethno-state…they will be cheerleading Trump as he burns down democracy.

To be fair, he is right that it isn't "The American people".
The US is a big place and people have lots and lots of diversity in it.
Trump didn't even win a majority of the popular vote in this win.

There is pushback and there will be pushback.
It's going to be ugly and there is going to be damage.

Hitler never won more than a third of the German popular vote.

People tend not to go back and look up the actual elections the Nazis were involved in.
It might interfere with their narratives.

Nazi Germany was very similar in its relationship with oligarchs. As far as I can tell, though, Hitler was at least somewhat more ethical than Trump in his dealings with these oligarchs as Adolf was more ideologically driven and not seeking to stuff his own pockets along the way…unlike you know who.

Yes, Trump's issues are not the same as Hitler's.
I don't know if that maps to "more ethical" really, though.

When the Fascists Arrive Holding Hands with the Oligarchs

From the link above:
Once the Nazis took power in Germany they banned books, outlawed drag shows, and homosexuality, changed school curricula to remove mention of their atrocities in WWI, and rewrote election laws so they’d never again lose an election. Sound familiar?

That Trump is more about money is balanced somewhat by the many ideologues among his main supporters.
One thing to keep in mind, though, is those ideologues are not unified. There is more than one ideology at play and once they're done with the things they agree about, they will go after each other since their final goals don't agree.

 

[Valcazar]

You really are panicking aren't you? You lose a job over this? Some stocks down? Consultant friends feeling the pinch?

The fantasy version of me in your head never ceases to amuse me.

Of course there will be pushback, lots of it. Which probably means it will result in less done then you are crying about.

But you're perfectly fine with the damage.

You keeping trying to swing me into these supposed extreme positions. The USA government is a huge ship that won't turn on a dime. But it will end up in a moderately different direction.

But you're perfectly fine with the damage.

I see no authoritarian government here.

Willfull blindness is a superpower.

Some things will happen in the Depts. Some of the entrenched Mandarins will be shown the door.

This is actually something I agree will happen.
Of course, it matters in my view who replaces them.

Hopefully a few people not bought off get hired in.

What's that?
A sliver of doubt creeping in that things will magically be better?

And some policy changes occur. I would love to see chemicals in food supply, are look at drug approval policy, at the FDA.

So the plan is, "let Trump put in corrupt people and then hope that they address things I want addressed"?

I see you're as grounded as always.

And if Tulsi does manage to squeek in(not looking good) some changes to the American spying apparatus. Military, who knows what happens there. We shall see.

Just "changes". Doesn't matter what they are.
As always.

But really, you think in six months it's suddenly Germany in 1935?

Of course not.
Authoritarian regimes follow multiple models.
No reason to think Germany is the best match.

 

[Butler1000]

The fantasy version of me in your head never ceases to amuse me.



But you're perfectly fine with the damage.



But you're perfectly fine with the damage.



Willfull blindness is a superpower.



This is actually something I agree will happen.
Of course, it matters in my view who replaces them.



What's that?
A sliver of doubt creeping in that things will magically be better?



So the plan is, "let Trump put in corrupt people and then hope that they address things I want addressed"?

I see you're as grounded as always.



Just "changes". Doesn't matter what they are.
As always.



Of course not.
Authoritarian regimes follow multiple models.
No reason to think Germany is the best match.

You are projecting again.

And yes, I think you have a personal stake in the Elites running things.

As I keep saying, the world is headed for tougher times. Trump is a symptom, not a cause. He is now going down the isolationism road I predicted. Buts it's one that was coming for awhile. Who ever had come out and said it would probably have won.

It will get better, but it will be years in the making. Because of people like you who let the oligarchs run things from the back, to the point they came out in the open. I hope things work out for everyone. I set myself up financially to weather this storm coming.

But it's inevitable imo. That's why I'm not suddenly going nuts. I saw it coming. Was laughed at as an "accelerationist". Well here it is. Caused by bad Neo Liberal policy.

 

[Skoob]

Who said that Kushner was not convicted in 2005?
But Trump pardoned him in 2020. You should try to keep up!!
He knows that the pardon was just to add to his Nepotism within his administration!!
You are the one defending Trump's nepotism for pardoning his daughter's in-law. That's being a typical hypocrite!!
Remember that Convicted Felon Trump promised to go on a witch hunt against all of Biden's family and others who rightly found him guilty of his 34+ Felons!!
Easy to praise Menendez, but how about Trump's own Lawyer called Mike Cohen who revealed the truth after Trump threw him under the bus?
We know that the righties hate him for revealing all of Trump's skeletons hidden in his closet!!

No silly...he pardoned him in 2020 after he already served his sentence many years before that (around 2006/2007). He didn't pardon him proactively like Biden pardoned his own family.

Sounds like you're against witch hunts if they are about people you support and not people you don't.

That's funny and hypocritical at the same time! Lol!

ps if the Biden family members have nothing to hide then they should be fine right? Why pardon them ahead of time? Are they trying to prevent some kind of investigation that may uncover the horrors they are afraid of getting caught for?

No one cares about hush money to a porn star if you haven't noticed.

But the Biden family seems really worried about being investigated...god knows what they were up to...if Hunter is any indication...this is going to be interesting indeed.

 

[Valcazar]

And yes, I think you have a personal stake in the Elites running things.

This is still my favourite fantasy of yours.

As I keep saying, the world is headed for tougher times. Trump is a symptom, not a cause. He is now going down the isolationism road I predicted. Buts it's one that was coming for awhile. Who ever had come out and said it would probably have won.

It will get better, but it will be years in the making. Because of people like you who let the oligarchs run things from the back, to the point they came out in the open. I hope things work out for everyone. I set myself up financially to weather this storm coming.

But it's inevitable imo. That's why I'm not suddenly going nuts. I saw it coming. Was laughed at as an "accelerationist". Well here it is. Caused by bad Neo Liberal policy.

I do like how you've gone mask off, though.

"Everyone should suffer to prove I was right. I'm safe, so fuck 'em."

Observing which authoritarians get your support will be interesting, I guess, in a morbid way.

 

[Butler1000]

This is still my favourite fantasy of yours.



I do like how you've gone mask off, though.

"Everyone should suffer to prove I was right. I'm safe, so fuck 'em."

Observing which authoritarians get your support will be interesting, I guess, in a morbid way.

It's so funny how you take objective opinion and take it so personally. You really can't separate them can you? Politics is a pendulum within the Overton window. Right now the windows is widening which is the cause of the turmoil. And since there is absolutely nothing you or I can do about it, I have no choice but to secure my household finances, sit back, and watch.

Seriously, what the hell do you expect us to do? Tell us your grand plan to rally the TERB members into a resistance block that will end Trump. End Tariffs.

As I stated in other threads. No US travel for me, reduce and eliminate US products buying, no streaming services, support local businesses all checked off.

What else ya got?

 

[bver_hunter]

No silly...he pardoned him in 2020 after he already served his sentence many years before that (around 2006/2007). He didn't pardon him proactively like Biden pardoned his own family.

Sounds like you're against witch hunts if they are about people you support and not people you don't.

That's funny and hypocritical at the same time! Lol!

ps if the Biden family members have nothing to hide then they should be fine right? Why pardon them ahead of time? Are they trying to prevent some kind of investigation that may uncover the horrors they are afraid of getting caught for?

No one cares about hush money to a porn star if you haven't noticed.

But the Biden family seems really worried about being investigated...god knows what they were up to...if Hunter is any indication...this is going to be interesting indeed.

Who stated that Trump proactively pardoned Kushner? Stop putting words in my mouth for a change? Biden did not involve himself with acts of nepotism like Trump did in his previous tenure, and has kept on with it by offering his Convicted Felon called Kushner an Ambassador's position. What message does that send to our allies like France?

What are the "wrong doings" against the likes of Liz Cheney and those who helped to Impeach as well as prosecute Trump when he was found guilty of breaking the Law and is now a Convicted Felon? He has to have the grounds to have them investigated. If he does, can you as a cult follower reveal them? One does not go and make some outrageous statements like Trump does on a constant basis against those he hates, when he has zero reasons to do so!!

OIC, now you are sitting a different goal post for Trump though he clearly violated the Campaign Laws whether it was hush money that he lied that he knew "nothing about it". He then throws his lawyer called Cohen under the bus. Now Cohen is his enemy for revealing the skeletons in Trump's closet. But, the hypocrite called Trump seems to think that he holds up certain moral values, though he was having affairs with Stormy Daniels while his wife was giving birth to his son. What a despicable character. Then he sexually assaults (more like rape) E. J. Carroll. Guilty again!!

If Joe Biden is found to have been guilty of whatever, then he deserves what he gets. That is the law and we will not make excuses for him like you and the rest of the righties defend your idol such as Convicted Felon Trump!!

 

[Skoob]

Who stated that Trump proactively pardoned Kushner? Stop putting words in my mouth for a change? Biden did not involve himself with acts of nepotism like Trump did in his previous tenure, and has kept on with it by offering his Convicted Felon called Kushner an Ambassador's position. What message does that send to our allies like France?

What are the "wrong doings" against the likes of Liz Cheney and those who helped to Impeach as well as prosecute Trump when he was found guilty of breaking the Law and is now a Convicted Felon? He has to have the grounds to have them investigated. If he does, can you as a cult follower reveal them? One does not go and make some outrageous statements like Trump does on a constant basis against those he hates, when he has zero reasons to do so!!

OIC, now you are sitting a different goal post for Trump though he clearly violated the Campaign Laws whether it was hush money that he lied that he knew "nothing about it". He then throws his lawyer called Cohen under the bus. Now Cohen is his enemy for revealing the skeletons in Trump's closet. But, the hypocrite called Trump seems to think that he holds up certain moral values, though he was having affairs with Stormy Daniels while his wife was giving birth to his son. What a despicable character. Then he sexually assaults (more like rape) E. J. Carroll. Guilty again!!

If Joe Biden is found to have been guilty of whatever, then he deserves what he gets. That is the law and we will not make excuses for him like you and the rest of the righties defend your idol such as Convicted Felon Trump!!

No silly...no one said he proactively pardoned Kushner like Biden did his own family and others. That's you distracting from what Biden did here. If Trump proactively pardoned his own family you would be choking on your own spittle. THAT is the hypocrisy you keep overlooking here while trying to distract.

If there were no wrongdoings, then why would they need proactive pardons? That's the question you should be asking yourself.

If your answer to that question is that there would be witch-hunts against them, then the question still stands: If they're innocent, then they have nothing to worry about witch hunt or not right?

 

[bver_hunter]

No silly...no one said he proactively pardoned Kushner like Biden did his own family and others. That's you distracting from what Biden did here. If Trump proactively pardoned his own family you would be choking on your own spittle. THAT is the hypocrisy you keep overlooking here while trying to distract.

If there were no wrongdoings, then why would they need proactive pardons? That's the question you should be asking yourself.

If your answer to that question is that there would be witch-hunts against them, then the question still stands: If they're innocent, then they have nothing to worry about witch hunt or not right?

I had already stated that Trump pardoned Kushner in 2020 from his past crimes that he was convicted and served his time. So goodness knows what you are parroting in context to your silly statement below in the first place?

No silly...he pardoned him in 2020 after he already served his sentence many years before that (around 2006/2007). He didn't pardon him proactively like Biden pardoned his own family.

I mentioned that Biden proactively pardoned his son and family due to the threats from Trump. Apart from Hunter none of the other family members were accused of anything, as was Liz Cheney and other individuals!! You are getting more and more like a true and true cult follower. We know that Trump pardoned all the insurrectionists including the violent ones. You were at one time trying to dispute the fact that Trump would pardon the violent ones. You are the true out and out hypocrite!!

If there is wrongdoing on Trump's family that becomes obvious and the Democrats take over the House and Senate in the mid terms, then expect Trump to pardon his children. He has pardoned all his cronies that were indicted including the Former and present Whitehouse staff that committed the crimes!!

Again, the reason that Biden pardoned not only his own family members but the likes of Liz Cheney and others was due to the Trump threats, especially when NO CHARGES were laid against them!!

What are the crimes that the FBI committed when they investigated and 100% correctly laid charges against the insurrectionists that broke the laws and were jailed? Yet look at Trump's actual witch hunt against them. Maybe, one day you will allow some logic into that head of yours!!

 

[Skoob]

I had already stated that Trump pardoned Kushner in 2020 from his past crimes that he was convicted and served his time. So goodness knows what you are parroting in context to your silly statement below in the first place?



I mentioned that Biden proactively pardoned his son and family due to the threats from Trump. Apart from Hunter none of the other family members were accused of anything, as was Liz Cheney and other individuals!! You are getting more and more like a true and true cult follower. We know that Trump pardoned all the insurrectionists including the violent ones. You were at one time trying to dispute the fact that Trump would pardon the violent ones. You are the true out and out hypocrite!!

If there is wrongdoing on Trump's family that becomes obvious and the Democrats take over the House and Senate in the mid terms, then expect Trump to pardon his children. He has pardoned all his cronies that were indicted including the Former and present Whitehouse staff that committed the crimes!!

Again, the reason that Biden pardoned not only his own family members but the likes of Liz Cheney and others was due to the Trump threats, especially when NO CHARGES were laid against them!!

What are the crimes that the FBI committed when they investigated and 100% correctly laid charges against the insurrectionists that broke the laws and were jailed? Yet look at Trump's actual witch hunt against them. Maybe, one day you will allow some logic into that head of yours!!

YOU brought up Kushner as a family member Trump pardoned in a big "whatabout" response. The context was that he was convicted of a crime and did his time 2 decades ago!!!! Can you grasp that point? He was pardoned proactively. Are the wheels turning there???

If and that's a big if, Trump pardons his immediate family proactively, then that's ok.

You know why?

Because people who don't have a problem with Biden doing that should be ok with Trump doing the same thing now that it has been accepted.

So back to the question you seem to be afraid to answer: Why pardon "innocent" people proactively if they are truly innocent? Threats are just threats right? If they are innocent and haven't done anything then there would be no charges for anything right?

 

[bver_hunter]

YOU brought up Kushner as a family member Trump pardoned in a big "whatabout" response. The context was that he was convicted of a crime and did his time 2 decades ago!!!! Can you grasp that point? He was pardoned proactively. Are the wheels turning there???

If and that's a big if, Trump pardons his immediate family proactively, then that's ok.

You know why?

Because people who don't have a problem with Biden doing that should be ok with Trump doing the same thing now that it has been accepted.

So back to the question you seem to be afraid to answer: Why pardon "innocent" people proactively if they are truly innocent? Threats are just threats right? If they are innocent and haven't done anything then there would be no charges for anything right?

The context was that Trump pardoned a convicted felon who did his time two decades ago. Trump has every right to pardon him. But the problem is that he did it so as to appoint him as an Ambassador to France though he has zero experience in that sector, and it is all about nepotism that is rife in this Convicted Felon's past and present tenure in the office. Is that okay to you? Answer that question for once? If Biden appointed hunter after pardoning him, don't you think that shit would hit the fan with the righties?

Trump has also pardoned the violent January 6th rioters who beat up the cops. Is that also okay with you? Answer this simple question. Now he has a vendetta against the FBI that worked tirelessly to put these violent hoodlums in prison after they were rightfully convicted in Court and several even plead Guilty. So do the FBI have to pay the price for it, especially as they are also being threatened by the same hoodlums that are let out of prison as well as investigated for their service? Answer that simple question!!

Trump threatened to go after Biden's family. Which other President in History has the same record? Does not Biden then have a responsibility to protect his family members especially as there are no allegations against them apart from Hunter? Hunter plead guilty and was pardoned by his father!!

Once again what are the allegations against Biden's other family members that one has to appoint special prosecutors to go after them? Did Biden threaten Trump's family when he took office?
What are the charges against Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger to be threatened by Trump?

But you have not answered any simple questions above!!

 

[Skoob]

The context was that Trump pardoned a convicted felon who did his time two decades ago. Trump has every right to pardon him. But the problem is that he did it so as to appoint him as an Ambassador to France though he has zero experience in that sector, and it is all about nepotism that is rife in this Convicted Felon's past and present tenure in the office. Is that okay to you? Answer that question for once? If Biden appointed hunter after pardoning him, don't you think that shit would hit the fan with the righties?

Trump has also pardoned the violent January 6th rioters who beat up the cops. Is that also okay with you? Answer this simple question. Now he has a vendetta against the FBI that worked tirelessly to put these violent hoodlums in prison after they were rightfully convicted in Court and several even plead Guilty. So do the FBI have to pay the price for it, especially as they are also being threatened by the same hoodlums that are let out of prison as well as investigated for their service? Answer that simple question!!

Trump threatened to go after Biden's family. Which other President in History has the same record? Does not Biden then have a responsibility to protect his family members especially as there are no allegations against them apart from Hunter? Hunter plead guilty and was pardoned by his father!!

Once again what are the allegations against Biden's other family members that one has to appoint special prosecutors to go after them? Did Biden threaten Trump's family when he took office?
What are the charges against Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger to be threatened by Trump?

But you have not answered any simple questions above!!

Did Trump do something illegally? If not then why are you concerned and trying to focus on that so desperately? Ohhhh you're trying to change the subject....I see what you are doing there.


Btw...
“You send your best ambassadors to the most important countries,” said Adam Ereli, a former ambassador to Bahrain.
One of the most important qualifications, Ereli said, is “closeness to the president – because that’s what the countries want, they want someone who can pick up the phone and talk to the president”.

The FBI like every other government branch should be completely investigated.
He didn't pardon all of the people involved on Jan 6th and he did promise to pardon many of them during the campaign.

Amazingly all the rioters that burned down cities after the George Floyd killing...should they have all been chased by the Democrats and the FBI and put in jail? 19 people died as a result of those riots. So?

"Go after them"....you think Trump is going to send in Seal Team Six to go after Biden's family & friends or something?

So what are they so afraid of?

Why do they need proactive pardons if they are confident they have done nothing wrong?

The sooner you realize they have something to hide the sooner it will make sense to you.

 

[basketcase]

So no. You are worrying over something you have absolutely no control over.

Doesn't stop you from posting about things you have no control over. Seems to me it's just an excuse so you don't have to reflect ion the logical inconsistencies of your beliefs.

 

[basketcase]

Did Trump do something illegally? ...

Many, many things (in addition to the things he's already been convicted for).

His plan is to transparently just to bombard the world with specious executive orders knowing that some of them will escape scrutiny.

 

[bver_hunter]

Did Trump do something illegally? If not then why are you concerned and trying to focus on that so desperately? Ohhhh you're trying to change the subject....I see what you are doing there.


Btw...
“You send your best ambassadors to the most important countries,” said Adam Ereli, a former ambassador to Bahrain.
One of the most important qualifications, Ereli said, is “closeness to the president – because that’s what the countries want, they want someone who can pick up the phone and talk to the president”.

The FBI like every other government branch should be completely investigated.
He didn't pardon all of the people involved on Jan 6th and he did promise to pardon many of them during the campaign.

Amazingly all the rioters that burned down cities after the George Floyd killing...should they have all been chased by the Democrats and the FBI and put in jail? 19 people died as a result of those riots. So?

"Go after them"....you think Trump is going to send in Seal Team Six to go after Biden's family & friends or something?

So what are they so afraid of?

Why do they need proactive pardons if they are confident they have done nothing wrong?

The sooner you realize they have something to hide the sooner it will make sense to you.

You are just going at a tangent and desperately trying to make excuses for Trump's nepotism, especially pardoning his daughters father-in-law. Why pardon him when he has already served his time? Guess just to make his the Ambassador of France........someone with zero experience or knowledge in that position!! Bullshit that Kushner gets into the "best ambassador" category....just a Convicted felon pardoned by Trump!!

False that he did not pardon all the people convicted in the January 6th Insurrection.

On his first day in office, President Donald Trump granted clemency to every person charged or convicted for their role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, even those convicted of violently assaulting police officers.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5276336/donald-trump-jan-6-rape-assault-pardons-rioters

Next time do not try to tell me what are not the facts, especially as you are clueless to it!!

These pardons included those who beat up the cops, as well as being rapists and pedophiles!!

If the FBI have to be investigated, then there should be real evidence to start with, and not threaten all of them to possibly lose their jobs without any severance if they do not resign.
Just because they rightfully investigated and convicted these violent daily extreme right wing insurrectionists!!
Listen, the rioters that burned down and looted businesses deserved to go to jail, as they took advantage of the mainly peaceful protests to go and loot these shops later in the evenings. No one is making excuses for them like the righties did with these violent Jan 6th hoodlums that disgustingly got pardoned by Trump!!

Tell us what crimes are these individuals who Biden pardoned supposed to be investigated for, especially as the Convicted Felon Trump promised to investigate them. Again which President has threatened the family members of his predecessor for no reason whatsoever?