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southpaw

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That is all very 60,000ft.
What does it change for the common man?
The common man doesn't rely on government handouts. The common man pays for those handouts. The less he has to pay out, the better off he is.

I don't know about you, but no one is paying for my SP habit. If the government is subsidizing yours, you gotta let me in on the game.
 
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JohnLarue

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So, he can't be taken at his word and things still need to be negotiated regardless of his promises. Got it.

confusing and frustrating, correct?
negotiating?
he signals what he wants or some of what he wants directly or indirectly e.g. he wants the boarders secure and more NATO spend from Canada that is a certainty
he confuses and frustrates his opponent
he applies leverage , sweats the opponent and then demands what he can claim as a win i.e. placate the ego
Is it fair,? Nope
Is it right? Not from this side of the boarder when he applies the leverage
Is it nice? Nope
All of which is irrelevant to him
 

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confusing and frustrating, correct?
negotiating?
he signals what he wants or some of what he wants directly or indirectly e.g. he wants the boarders secure and more NATO spend from Canada that is a certainty
he confuses and frustrates his opponent
he applies leverage , sweats the opponent and then demands what he can claim as a win i.e. placate the ego
Is it fair,? Nope
Is it right? Not from this side of the boarder when he applies the leverage
Is it nice? Nope
All of which is irrelevant to him
A president needs to speak clearly and directly. There is too much at stake for ambiguity and misinterpretation. Sometimes you can believe him and sometimes you can't is a recipe for disaster. He needs to say what he means and mean what he says 100% of the time.

trump is a clear and present danger.
 
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wigglee

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Trump will not back down on boarder security . He will tariff Canada and Mexico for four years if need be to get that win
Crock 'o Shit.... Canada has bent over backwards to fix the border in the past month ( which is greatly exaggerated ..... worst thing is the American guns going north). He doesn't give us any credit for that, Trump just decided he wants to take us over, that's why he keeps mentioning the 51st state nonsense.
 

mandrill

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Fuck....why even have a border? Let everyone come whenever they want.
Low wages? Uncle Sam will provide everything so what's the problema.
You don't seem to be able to spot irony.

Just like you aren't able to spot when an EO is clearly illegal and destined to be struck down.
 
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mandrill

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Crock 'o Shit.... Canada has bent over backwards to fix the border in the past month ( which is greatly exaggerated ..... worst thing is the American guns going north). He doesn't give us any credit for that, Trump just decided he wants to take us over, that's why he keeps mentioning the 51st state nonsense.
Either that, or push massive tariffs on every other country and then claim his billionaire buddies no longer need to pay income taxes.
 

mandrill

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Off and on. If you mean CBP picks you up crossing the border, processes you and releases you into the United States, I don't think anyone wants to debate the merits of such policies again and how many years they persisted.

I'm pretty sure by how these threads are going the Trump detractors will never concede that his border policies are working even if he is successful in substantially reducing the number of migrants.
So let's figure out what he's doing / not doing.

1. He hasn't nullified the UN refugee agreement because only Congress can do that and he hasn't got the votes. So he's made an illegal EO preventing the asylum claimants physically attending at a processing office at the border and filling in the papers and filing a claim. The EO is clearly illegal and will be struck down. And back to where we were before.
2. He hasn't raided any farms or processing plants in any red state. So the illegals who provide the bulk of farm labour remain as before.
3. He has upped the tempo of raids in blue states slightly. And done a mass of PR. This is going to merely dent the underlying problem.
4. He has made a clearly illegal EO "abolishing birth right citizenship", which has already been stayed by a judge.

It's all bullshit.

The Project 2025 people - like Stephen Miller - who are working on his plans aren't bright enough to get the job done. He needs talented lawyers to draft viable EO's and congressional votes on most of what he wishes to do.

His talents - or more accurately, the talents of the vicious ideologues who staff his new White House - are not equal to accomplishing a fraction of what his backers wish him to do. It's pathetic.

And even more pathetic is the way you cling to your belief that he's "winning". We both know you're not a bright guy, Earp. But you continue to fall short.
 
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So let's figure out what he's doing / not doing.

1. He hasn't nullified the UN refugee agreement because only Congress can do that and he hasn't got the votes. So he's made an illegal EO preventing the asylum claimants physically attending at a processing office at the border and filling in the papers and filing a claim. The EO is clearly illegal and will be struck down. And back to where we were before.
2. He hasn't raided any farms or processing plants in any red state. So the illegals who provide the bulk of farm labour remain as before.
3. He has upped the tempo of raids in blue states slightly. And done a mass of PR. This is going to merely dent the underlying problem.
4. He has made a clearly illegal EO "abolishing birth right citizenship", which has already been stayed by a judge.

It's all bullshit.

The Project 2025 people - like Stephen Miller - who are working on his plans aren't bright enough to get the job done. He needs talented lawyers to draft viable EO's and congressional votes on most of what he wishes to do.

His talents - or more accurately, the talents of the vicious ideologues who staff his new White House - are not equal to accomplishing a fraction of what his backers wish him to do. It's pathetic.

And even more pathetic is the way you cling to your belief that he's "winning". We both know you're not a bright guy, Earp. But you continue to fall short.
He's 'winning' in a Charlie sheen / Ron jermey kind of way
 
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So let's figure out what he's doing / not doing.

1. He hasn't nullified the UN refugee agreement because only Congress can do that and he hasn't got the votes. So he's made an illegal EO preventing the asylum claimants physically attending at a processing office at the border and filling in the papers and filing a claim. The EO is clearly illegal and will be struck down. And back to where we were before.
2. He hasn't raided any farms or processing plants in any red state. So the illegals who provide the bulk of farm labour remain as before.
3. He has upped the tempo of raids in blue states slightly. And done a mass of PR. This is going to merely dent the underlying problem.
4. He has made a clearly illegal EO "abolishing birth right citizenship", which has already been stayed by a judge.

It's all bullshit.

The Project 2025 people - like Stephen Miller - who are working on his plans aren't bright enough to get the job done. He needs talented lawyers to draft viable EO's and congressional votes on most of what he wishes to do.

His talents - or more accurately, the talents of the vicious ideologues who staff his new White House - are not equal to accomplishing a fraction of what his backers wish him to do. It's pathetic.

And even more pathetic is the way you cling to your belief that he's "winning". We both know you're not a bright guy, Earp. But you continue to fall short.
Russ Vought is behind all the Project 2025 EO's that are being passed. He's a extremist christian wacko.

 

Frankfooter

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See how stupid I made you look? You ask who is a threat to the US because you somehow believe there are none...and this is your poor of a response...
So you think an Iron Dome would stop a bunch of guys with box cutters.
Totally sane.

Trump is a moron but the people writing all his EO's are dangerous extremists. I hope you enjoy your hardcore Christian overlords.

Vought has managed to shut down Medicair portals across the country.
That will be popular.

 
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So you think an Iron Dome would stop a bunch of guys with box cutters.
Totally sane.

Trump is a moron but the people writing all his EO's are dangerous extremists. I hope you enjoy your hardcore Christian overlords.

Vought has managed to shut down Medicair portals across the country.
That will be popular.

LoL...Iron Dome is a good defense system...ask Iran...LoL...of course there are other ways terrorists can inflict damage...Iron dome is not the "end all" strategy...it's one of them and it's quite effective. You're just not agreeing to it because Israel will help US set this up...
 
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danmand

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So let's figure out what he's doing / not doing.

1. He hasn't nullified the UN refugee agreement because only Congress can do that and he hasn't got the votes. So he's made an illegal EO preventing the asylum claimants physically attending at a processing office at the border and filling in the papers and filing a claim. The EO is clearly illegal and will be struck down. And back to where we were before.
2. He hasn't raided any farms or processing plants in any red state. So the illegals who provide the bulk of farm labour remain as before.
3. He has upped the tempo of raids in blue states slightly. And done a mass of PR. This is going to merely dent the underlying problem.
4. He has made a clearly illegal EO "abolishing birth right citizenship", which has already been stayed by a judge.

It's all bullshit.

The Project 2025 people - like Stephen Miller - who are working on his plans aren't bright enough to get the job done. He needs talented lawyers to draft viable EO's and congressional votes on most of what he wishes to do.

His talents - or more accurately, the talents of the vicious ideologues who staff his new White House - are not equal to accomplishing a fraction of what his backers wish him to do. It's pathetic.

And even more pathetic is the way you cling to your belief that he's "winning". We both know you're not a bright guy, Earp. But you continue to fall short.
Trump is a showman, he only cares about the show, and to a large extent it works. His constituency think he is winning.
 
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WyattEarp

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A few 1000.
So by that reasoning, does that mean that most Americans who voted on the immigration issue have no idea about immigration because they are 1000s of miles away from the border?
Now you are just quibbling. I had this discussion with another member who declared he knew the U.S. simply because he worked here two weeks a year.

You have third hand accounts of what is going on. First hand is what I see. Second hand is what my friends, family and neighbors see and discuss with me. Third hand is simply something you read written by someone who might likely didn't see anything who often has a predetermined bias and angle. The reporter of the third hand account can ignore the accounts and opinions of people that do not agree with their bias.

My limited posts on Canadian politics try to stay at a very high level because I don't know what is happening on the ground in Toronto. I don't know how the local people feel about them. I really don't expect that the CBC is going to give me real insight into how these Canadians feel.
 
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