Donald Trumps Approval Ratings Soar

[WyattEarp]

he does not understand the value in citizenship be it via birthright or via legal immigration
he scored big amongst Latino voters- which seems very odd considering the origin of most to be deported
its likely those voters are exceptional proud of the fact they immigrated legally

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Now you are just quibbling. I had this discussion with another member who declared he knew the U.S. simply because he worked here two weeks a year.

You have third hand accounts of what is going on. First hand is what I see. Second hand is what my friends, family and neighbors see and discuss with me. Third hand is simply something you read written by someone who might likely didn't see anything who often has a predetermined bias and angle. The reporter of the third hand account can ignore the accounts and opinions of people that do not agree with their bias.

My limited posts on Canadian politics try to stay at a very high level because I don't know what is happening on the ground in Toronto. I don't know how the local people feel about them. I really don't expect that the CBC is going to give me real insight into how these Canadians feel.

I dont think this applies strictly in these times.
We aren't that isolated.
I travel regularly to the US for work and I have been all over the place.
The cities that I usually travel to the most, are blue cities - San Francisco, LA, NYC, Chicago.
So what I see is that, yes there are lots of immigrants and migrants and I did not see any overwhelming issues.
I have also never heard people (colleagues, friends and clients) in those cities express MAGA level hostility, even if they were to complain about the state of certain things.
This is evidenced by the fact that they still vote blue.
What I see, what I hear and what I read/observe shows that this "migrant crisis" is blown out of proportion by MAGA.
They have blown it so out of proportion that actual issues have been sidelined and taxpayer money is being irresponsibly spent in targeting people groups that have no impact on the majority of Americans.

 

[richaceg]

he does not understand the value in citizenship be it via birthright or via legal immigration
he scored big amongst Latino voters- which seems very odd considering the origin of most to be deported
its likely those voters are exceptional proud of the fact they immigrated legally

The latinos that voted for Trump went through the gauntlet of the immigration process...they were in support of deporting illegal who bypassed those process...and avail the benefits of the country just by walking in...literally.

 

[richaceg]

The cities that I usually travel to the most, are blue cities - San Francisco, LA, NYC, Chicago.
So what I see is that, yes there are lots of immigrants and migrants and I did not see any overwhelming issues.
I have also never heard people (colleagues, friends and clients) in those cities express MAGA level hostility, even if they were to complain about the state of certain things.
This is evidenced by the fact that they still vote blue.
What I see, what I hear and what I read/observe shows that this "migrant crisis" is blown out of proportion by MAGA.
They have blown it so out of proportion that actual issues have been sidelined and taxpayer money is being irresponsibly spent in targeting people groups that have no impact on the majority of Americans.

They were not blown out of proportion...the blue cities you went to swept everything under the rug...the battleground states disagreed with you. unanimously.

 

[WyattEarp]

That is all very 60,000ft.
What does it change for the common man?
Same taxes, same benefits, and perhaps less benefits and more struggle now with Trump cutting federal funding to many aid programs.

This is a ridiculous elitist post. The common man can see the labor pool increase and wages suppressed. His neighborhood or the neighborhood next to him likely has more social problems. Their children's schools are trying to cope with an increase in students who don't speak English. City services are stretched.

Following up on JohnLaRue's post, how many of those Latinos who voted for Trump have experienced the impact of the migrant crisis in their communities. Why did traditionally Democratic districts on the border start turning red?

You still have the audacity to come here and tell us you know more than the common American man and you don't even live in this country.

 

[WyattEarp]

So let's figure out what he's doing / not doing.

1. He hasn't nullified the UN refugee agreement because only Congress can do that and he hasn't got the votes. So he's made an illegal EO preventing the asylum claimants physically attending at a processing office at the border and filling in the papers and filing a claim. The EO is clearly illegal and will be struck down. And back to where we were before.
2. He hasn't raided any farms or processing plants in any red state. So the illegals who provide the bulk of farm labour remain as before.
3. He has upped the tempo of raids in blue states slightly. And done a mass of PR. This is going to merely dent the underlying problem.
4. He has made a clearly illegal EO "abolishing birth right citizenship", which has already been stayed by a judge.

It's all bullshit.

The Project 2025 people - like Stephen Miller - who are working on his plans aren't bright enough to get the job done. He needs talented lawyers to draft viable EO's and congressional votes on most of what he wishes to do.

His talents - or more accurately, the talents of the vicious ideologues who staff his new White House - are not equal to accomplishing a fraction of what his backers wish him to do. It's pathetic.

And even more pathetic is the way you cling to your belief that he's "winning". We both know you're not a bright guy, Earp. But you continue to fall short.

Similar to a few here, you have never been much for Democratic institutions and process. Voters aren't worth much unless they affirm your views of the world. You like to cling to legalistic treaties and process.

This is what will happen whether you like it or not. In 2027-2028, American voters will look at the results on controlling immigration and they will look at the costs. They will make judgements on how successful the Trump effort was.

It's not that hard to understand unless your view is hardened.

 

[Frankfooter]

This is a ridiculous elitist post. The common man can see the labor pool increase and wages suppressed. His neighborhood or the neighborhood next to him likely has more social problems. Their children's schools are trying to cope with an increase in students who don't speak English. City services are stretched.

Following up on JohnLaRue's post, how many of those Latinos who voted for Trump have experienced the impact of the migrant crisis in their communities. Why did traditionally Democratic districts on the border start turning red?

You still have the audacity to come here and tell us you know more than the common American man and you don't even live in this country.

Except that the jobs illegal immigrants have are under the table, low paying jobs that no american will take.
And if you don't want to hear Canadian views about american perhaps you shouldn't be on a Canadian board.

 

[squeezer]

This is what will happen whether you like it or not. In 2027-2028, American voters will look at the results on controlling immigration and they will look at the costs. They will make judgements on how successful the Trump effort was.

It's not that hard to understand unless your view is hardened.

Just curious and a tad off topic so my apologies but what will you say if Trump wants to run for another term? Yes, I know, you are going to say he was joking around but wait

Republican Congressman Moves to Amend Constitution So Donald Trump Can Run for Third Term

Tennessee Rep. Andy Ogles announced on Thursday, Jan. 23, that he's introducing a resolution to amend the U.S. Constitution so Donald Trump can run for a third term

people.com

so maybe not so much a joke as opposed to a test to gauge his supporter's sediment, so I ask again. Do you support the congressman's efforts?

 

[WyattEarp]

What I see, what I hear and what I read/observe shows that this "migrant crisis" is blown out of proportion by MAGA.
They have blown it so out of proportion that actual issues have been sidelined and taxpayer money is being irresponsibly spent in targeting people groups that have no impact on the majority of Americans.

Americans are very astute and in aggregate pragmatic. If you understand history, you know that in 1910, the U.S. (and Canada) needed low-skilled immigrants to fill up new factories during massive industrialization.
The U.S. percentage of foreign born is in-line with the U.K. and France. Canada as would be expected is about 20%. It's no coincidence at these levels all these countries are experiencing push back from the electorate.

 

[richaceg]

Except that the jobs illegal immigrants have are under the table, low paying jobs that no american will take.
And if you don't want to hear Canadian views about american perhaps you shouldn't be on a Canadian board.

It doesn't make it right... cross legally or don't cross at all. if you cross the border illegally, it's a felony.

 

[silentkisser]

Americans are very astute and in aggregate pragmatic. If you understand history, you know that in 1910, the U.S. (and Canada) needed low-skilled immigrants to fill up new factories during massive industrialization.
The U.S. percentage of foreign born is in-line with the U.K. and France. Canada as would be expected is about 20%. It's no coincidence at these levels all these countries are experiencing push back from the electorate.

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What this fails to take into account is the fact that America's (and Canada's) birthrate is significantly below replacement levels. One of the reasons Trudeau jacked up immigration was he saw the demographic writing on the wall showing that the number of Canadians over the age of 65 is larger than the number under 20. While his policy was a mess, it had good reasons behind it, and it is something that the US might need to do in the future, post Trump.

Now, why is the birthrate so low? Could it be the GOP policies have basically forced young people to avoid having more than one kid, if any at all? The GOP has been against things like:

• Universal healthcare that would make having a family more affordable. Health insurance down there is fucking scam, and it is so expensive to have a kid, even if you have great insurance.
• Maternal leave that would help mothers recover from the rigours of childbirth, and help reduce the crazy cost of child care (which, for infants can be $2,000/month).
• Education - they actively cut funding to public schools or help give out vouchers that allow parents to homeschool or send them to private schools. Not surprisingly, red states have the lowest test scores in things like reading/math...which might explain why Trump is so popular down there....

There are many more. The point being, immigration is necessary for the US and Canada. We need people to support the older generation and maintain our standard of living. Japan is in the same boat, but the have virtually no immigration, so it will be interesting to see where that takes them...

 

[Frankfooter]

Americans are very astute and in aggregate pragmatic. If you understand history, you know that in 1910, the U.S. (and Canada) needed low-skilled immigrants to fill up new factories during massive industrialization.
The U.S. percentage of foreign born is in-line with the U.K. and France. Canada as would be expected is about 20%. It's no coincidence at these levels all these countries are experiencing push back from the electorate.

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Yes, those astute and pragmatic people will soon have a new face on Mt Rushmore

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883238912711094547

 

[WyattEarp]

What this fails to take into account is the fact that America's (and Canada's) birthrate is significantly below replacement levels. One of the reasons Trudeau jacked up immigration was he saw the demographic writing on the wall showing that the number of Canadians over the age of 65 is larger than the number under 20. While his policy was a mess, it had good reasons behind it, and it is something that the US might need to do in the future, post Trump.

Now, why is the birthrate so low? Could it be the GOP policies have basically forced young people to avoid having more than one kid, if any at all? The GOP has been against things like:

• Universal healthcare that would make having a family more affordable. Health insurance down there is fucking scam, and it is so expensive to have a kid, even if you have great insurance.
• Maternal leave that would help mothers recover from the rigours of childbirth, and help reduce the crazy cost of child care (which, for infants can be $2,000/month).
• Education - they actively cut funding to public schools or help give out vouchers that allow parents to homeschool or send them to private schools. Not surprisingly, red states have the lowest test scores in things like reading/math...which might explain why Trump is so popular down there....

There are many more. The point being, immigration is necessary for the US and Canada. We need people to support the older generation and maintain our standard of living. Japan is in the same boat, but the have virtually no immigration, so it will be interesting to see where that takes them...

This would make sense relative to immigration if we ignored that both the U.S. and Canadian population have grown significantly over the last twenty-five years. There is no prerequisite for ever increasing populations for a strong U.S. or Canada.

By the way, your thesis also ignores that affluent women choose to have no children or small families. Less affluent families tend to have more children. The affluent prefer to focus on career and individual well-bearing. I'm fairly certain this is true in Canada.

That's why Canada has a low birth rate similar to the U.S. This while Canada has all the things that you proclaim the U.S. lacks.

 

[JohnLarue]

So you are saying that he is a pathological liar.

So you want to misrepresent me.

I did not say he is a pathological liar.
I believe him to be narcissist. He can be mean spirited, nasty and vindictive
He loves to use leverage and has been successful doing so
His ego requires he be able to claim a win
He is riding high right now as his approval ratings are positive
He may not fair so well when adversity come his way
He is right about boarder security and NATO spending
The step to the left by the democrats / Canadian Liberals was a disaster. That should be self evident

The US economy is the most robust in the world , is predominately domestic which is leverage vs export orientated countries.
He can apply this leverage , however not globally for an extended period
China is the real economic target
Mexico / Canada pissed him off because of the boarder. (He hates Trudeau)

He is risking long term damage to the US by picking fights with trade partners, allies
There are many US multi-national companies who will be very concerned with the tariff policies
I had hoped he had not run again , however I have no say in that matter
Kamala Harris might have proven to be a worse choice than Trudeau, if that is possible

Canada can not go toe to toe with the US in a trade war. We need to be vey strategic and very careful in our response
Trump will go the distance (4 years) to get a win on the boarder / NATO spending. This is the priority for him, especially the boarder
He will likely tariff us until the USMCA reopen 2026 and likely press to get concessions / elimination on supply management
Trudeaus divisive policies and irresponsible borrowing have left us in brutally weak position
Canadian unity is at risk
Alberta , Saskatchewan will not stand for Trudeau 3.0 Aka Mark Carney / lunatic Steven Guilbeault / rebranding of evil carbon taxes
Trump knows the value of the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world (the "filthy dirty Tar sands")
He will pick off the western provinces provinces one at a time and believe he has secured a spot on Mount Rushmore by doing so
Eastern Canada will get stuck with Trudeaus debt , Ontario's debt, consumer debt and an imploding economy.
Quebec? who knows what they will do once the transfer payments dry up
We need to be vey strategic and very careful in our response
We need to have an election, so we can start protecting our country

I hope I have added some clarity for you

 

[silentkisser]

This would make sense relative to immigration if we ignored that both the U.S. and Canadian population have grown significantly over the last twenty-five years. There is no prerequisite for ever increasing populations for a strong U.S. or Canada.

By the way, your thesis also ignores that affluent women choose to have no children or small families. Less affluent families tend to have more children. The affluent prefer to focus on career and individual well-bearing. I'm fairly certain this is true in Canada.

That's why Canada has a low birth rate similar to the U.S. This while Canada has all the things that you proclaim the U.S. lacks.

Canada and the US are sitting on a demographic time bomb. The older boomers are retiring and tapping into the social services more and more, from social security/CPP/OAS etc. and there is a need for a larger base to support them...and the jobs they are leaving. I'm a little too busy to search for those studies, but as mentioned, the younger generation is not large enough to support our economy.

Now, you are 100% correct about educated or affluent women choosing not to have kids. There are studies that show educated women have fewer children, and many want to work and cannot imagine taking time off during their most important growth periods of their careers. But, still, the three points I highlighted are contributing factors.

Now, you might say, Canada has universal healthcare and year-long maternity leave, why are we in the same boat? I think the high cost of living is an obvious one, as is the fact that Canada is one of the most highly educated countries in the world....So, women again want to have their careers. Why go through all the work of getting degrees and advanced degrees if you are not going to use them?

 

[WyattEarp]

Canada and the US are sitting on a demographic time bomb. The older boomers are retiring and tapping into the social services more and more, from social security/CPP/OAS etc. and there is a need for a larger base to support them...and the jobs they are leaving. I'm a little too busy to search for those studies, but as mentioned, the younger generation is not large enough to support our economy.

The demographic time bomb is greatly exaggerated. It's very simple. You live longer. You work longer.

Canada probably was ahead of the U.S. on the curve that immigration has limitations in solving this issue. Again, it is simple. A larger population over 65 that is retired can be an inflationary catalyst. Trying to pay for this growing retired group with new immigrants also requires more housing, more food and more services. These immigrants aren't coming here to support the natives. They require certain things.

We've all heard about so called labor shortages and immigrants do work that natives won't do. Progressives generally have no faith in and/or limited understanding of free market dynamics. Let increasing wages tell us where there is an economic need for more immigration.

When there is wage pressure, you will be surprised how many sectors will find ways to increase productivity through investment in equipment and process. I suspect that higher immigration is one of the reasons for Canada's low productivity.

 

[Valcazar]

Trump is a showman, he only cares about the show, and to a large extent it works. His constituency think he is winning.

Look at the thread on his deportation.
The fact he used a military plane is being cited as "proof" that he is accomplishing it.

He wanted the show, and the show worked for the people who the show was meant to convince.

 

[richaceg]

Yes, those astute and pragmatic people will soon have a new face on Mt Rushmore

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883238912711094547

 

[richaceg]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848196423361474997

this should be ok and normal - Liberals...

 

[danmand]

Except that the jobs illegal immigrants have are under the table, low paying jobs that no american will take.
And if you don't want to hear Canadian views about american perhaps you shouldn't be on a Canadian board.

This is what Canadians do not understand about America.

Illegal immigrants are part of the economy, the farms are counting their salaries as expenses.
This, of course would not be possible in Canada or other countries. But in USA it is part of the system. The raw capitalism requires a proletariat, who is willing to work for peanuts under terrible conditions.

It is all by design.