"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

basketcase

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Trump is proposing (agreeing with Israel about) a second Nabka, removing the rest of the Palestinians from the Gaza strip, so it can be developed into beachfront luxury resorts.
The countries around Israel already host 5 million Palestinian refugees that Israel refuses to allow to return to their homeland.
No country will take more again.

Hmm. It's almost like Americans wanting to support Palestinians by voting against Biden made things worse for them
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Again, try looking at cause and effect.
Cause and effect would depend on when you want to start looking at this problem.
I look at it from the time of the Shah and I believe that set the stage for the current hostilities.
So I blame the US for it.
But we do not have to do all that.
Regardless of the why, you admit that there have been attacks on Iran.
You can justify those attacks any way you want to.
But they are attacks.
We do not have to agree on who started what.
We do not have to agree on who is right or wrong.
We do not need agreement on these things because these are matters of perspectives and they differ on both sides.
We can however agree that if Iran is considered a national security threat to Israel and the US, then by the same measure both countries are national security threats for Iran.
That would justify Iran developing nukes to protect itself.
The fact that the US and Israel are many times more powerful than Iran, legitimately makes this a bigger existential crisis for Iran than the other way around.
 

nottyboi

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False. That is not what you said. Here is a direct quote from you.



‘Here is the message to the American president in 1948 confirming that Israel has announced that its borders are those stipulated in Resolution 181.

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Here is a map of those boriders. You will immediately see that it nothing like the map of 1967. What’s appalling is that the letter to the US President was also a lie - Israel had already stolen Palestinian land beyond the borders it promised it had accepted. POS Nation never stops lying. Just like its supporters.

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All a bunch of lying, baby killing scumbags. Every lie you tell to defend Israel makes you complicit in its crimes.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Wow. Again, pretending that Arabs/Persians have no say in the matter.

And I see you've moved the goalposts from "destroying Iran" to "meddling"
Wow.
So you are saying that without American insistence and help the invasion would have happened despite the billions they poured into the conflict and the training and arming of Iraq?
And I did not move any goalposts.
Destruction of a country starts with the meddling.
See my previous response.
It depends on when you want to consider the seeds for the present conflict to have been sowed.
 
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Frankfooter

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1) Iran didn't allow full inspections and,
2) Your conspiracies about Jewish control are just insane. You could include the far more powerful evangelical lobby and just say pro-Israel lobby but instead you just push antisemitic hatred and blame jews for everything.

But you're happy to back Iran simply because don't give a shit about anything other than your Jew obsession.
So you are against nuclear treaties and inspections.
Not surprising, you back one of 3 nuclear states that won't sign the NPT.

You must be excited about trump and Elon coming to power, their team are wacked enough they might start your war on Iran, the one you've been dreaming of for so long.

 

nottyboi

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I think you need to stop lying.

The Arab and Palestinian leaders rejected any kind of Partition and declared war. Even Arab historians that Groggy/flubadub/frank quoted(can't remember which one he was at the time) admitted that very few Arabs were actually expelled and most left long before any Israeli fighters were in their towns. At the same time, there were a great number of Arab Jews chased from their long time homes simply because some other Jews in a different country were in a war.

In every ethno-nationalist conflict in the 20th century, the idea of two way population transfers was accepted as a necessary evil. The only difference here is that Arab leaders felt it served their purposes to keep Palestinian refugees in camps for generation while at the same time, Israel went through significant economic hardship to integrate the 800,000 Arab jews forced from their homes.

p.s. Jordan and Egypt stole the Palestinian state in 1949.
Oh yes, because you know the Israelis were coming to hand out candy. lol. We know what happend to thise that stayed. Israel had already establishing a willingness to murder Palis. I have see the testimony from Israeli generals and soldeirs from that time. If they left they should have allowed them back. Anything else is GENOCIDE.
 

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And again pushing the insane conspiracy theories that Jews killed JFK.

I know you don't care about reality but the Peace of Paris broke up the Ottoman Empire into nation states. Jews were around 1% of the Ottoman Empire so why is it unacceptable for them to get 0.5% of Ottoman land? Oh I forgot, Jews are involved so you need to spew bullshit just to justify your racism.

All you are doing is once again supporting Hamas' goal of the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
That's a wacko post.

Hey, looks like Palestinians are the semites, not zionists.
So all along its you that's the antisemite.

bummer

 
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Based on Iran's political activity in the last decade including before Trump withdrew, there is absolutely zero reason to believe Iran would be willing to keep their massive centrifuge capacity mothballed and zero indication that they were willing to explain to the IAEA about the undeclared sites where nuclear material was discovered.

I find it expected that talking heads on news channels and rando tweets to be extremely superficial in their analysis of international relations and instead boil everything down to what the US does but Iran's geopolitical aims have been consistent since 1979. There are things to blame the US, UK, etc. for but it is naive to ignore Iran's choices and actions.
sigh

 

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Now you want to blame the americans who wouldn't vote to support genocide for the genocide.
You get weirder and weirder.
He is right, though. USA and UK are willing participants in the Genocide.
 

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It think it's funny that people think Trump is a war monger and potential threat when Obama holds the distinction of being America's most wartime president. Isn't that ironic?

That asshole general was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American service members and his regime is a terrorist organization. Still doesn't mean Trump started a war. He did the right thing.



Btw your question asking me if I was referring to Obama or Biden is a trick question. You don't think Biden was actually running things for the past 4 years do you?
Obama had Osama Bin Laden killed... was that a bad thing?
 
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wigglee

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You seriously think he's going to invade Greenland? Lol!
Is that your "proof" that he's a war monger? haha that's funny!

You also want to compare Biden's mental state that was hidden by his party for his term, to Trump, who has achieved more leading up to taking office and in his first week than many?


So let's try that again...who was involved in more wars during their term in office...Obama or Trump?

I'll wait.

Bonus question: Who deported more people during their terms in office Biden or Trump?

I'll wait...

(take your time to twist the facts to suit your narrative of course)
He has declared war on Canada. Not just the tariffs, because he keeps saying we should be the 51st state. He wants to destroy our country and get his hands on our resources. Is that what you call a peaceful friend and neighbour?
 
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Based on Iran's political activity in the last decade including before Trump withdrew, there is absolutely zero reason to believe Iran would be willing to keep their massive centrifuge capacity mothballed and zero indication that they were willing to explain to the IAEA about the undeclared sites where nuclear material was discovered.

I find it expected that talking heads on news channels and rando tweets to be extremely superficial in their analysis of international relations and instead boil everything down to what the US does but Iran's geopolitical aims have been consistent since 1979. There are things to blame the US, UK, etc. for but it is naive to ignore Iran's choices and actions.
And it is naive to ignore the USAs.

A deal was stuck, then immediately torn up.
Iran made moves in response.

Assuming those moves would have been the same if the deal had not been torn up makes little sense.
We can't know the counter factual.

Does this mean we must now ignore the moves Iran has made? No.
 

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And it is naive to ignore the USAs.

A deal was stuck, then immediately torn up.
Iran made moves in response.

Assuming those moves would have been the same if the deal had not been torn up makes little sense.
We can't know the counter factual.

Does this mean we must now ignore the moves Iran has made? No.
Was it wrong for USA to smack Iraq because of the WMD? it turns out it was because there was none... This is probably why they are treading lightly...if it turns out Iran DOES have WMD what do you think is the next step for USA/NATO? I would bet nobody would sleep tightly at night in the Middle East from here on out...
Why Iran having Nukes is bad.
-They will find a reason to use it eventually. If they can launch hundreds of rockets to Israel because of the conflict that has nothing to do with them. You know they're volatile.
-It would make Israel uneasy just knowing Iran has them - it makes them just as volatile.
-Everyone around Iran will not like this either.
The only positive I see in here is that this could put the citizens at the brink of a revolution...Iran was almost westernized decades ago and was brought back to where it is now... there's a vast number of youths wanting to progress and feel the nation is being held back by ancient beliefs... Iran's problem is the people running it...

I have travelled to Iran, Qatar, Abu Dhabi Israel and Egypt. They love western culture. or at least most of the people I've met.
 

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And it is naive to ignore the USAs.

A deal was stuck, then immediately torn up.
Iran made moves in response.

Assuming those moves would have been the same if the deal had not been torn up makes little sense.
We can't know the counter factual.

Does this mean we must now ignore the moves Iran has made? No.
No, but it means that if you want peace you find a way to deescalate the situation through ending sanctions and renegotiating nuclear treaties.
Sadly neither trump or AIPAC are ever interested in peaceful solutions.

Iran hasn't attacked another country in hundreds of years while the US and Israel seem to do so every month.
 

Frankfooter

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Was it wrong for USA to smack Iraq because of the WMD? it turns out it was because there was none... This is probably why they are treading lightly...if it turns out Iran DOES have WMD what do you think is the next step for USA/NATO? I would bet nobody would sleep tightly at night in the Middle East from here on out...
Why Iran having Nukes is bad.
-They will find a reason to use it eventually. If they can launch hundreds of rockets to Israel because of the conflict that has nothing to do with them. You know they're volatile.
-It would make Israel uneasy just knowing Iran has them - it makes them just as volatile.
-Everyone around Iran will not like this either.
The only positive I see in here is that this could put the citizens at the brink of a revolution...Iran was almost westernized decades ago and was brought back to where it is now... there's a vast number of youths wanting to progress and feel the nation is being held back by ancient beliefs... Iran's problem is the people running it...

I have travelled to Iran, Qatar, Abu Dhabi Israel and Egypt. They love western culture. or at least most of the people I've met.
The idea that Iran would attack the US backed and nuclear armed Israel is nonsense.
 
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