Trump to be sentenced on Jan. 10 on 34 charges, before his Jan. 20 inauguration

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Don't let Frankfooter scare you with his usual barrage of misinformation and doom/gloom tactics...you're not that gullible are you?

Are you?




The moves by Trump, experts say, are likely to be inconsequential to many Americans in terms of what they pay in out-of-pocket health care costs.

One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs.

That initiative, however, was only in the development stage, said Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was unclear whether it would be implemented at all.

Biden’s bigger health care initiatives, such as a $35 monthly cap on insulin, a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket cap on prescription drugs and Medicare’s negotiating drug pricing provision weren’t affected by Trump’s executive actions Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...en-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
Then what was the point of reversing the Affordable Healthcare Act, especially as there were more drugs that were supposed to be negotiated to lower the prices?

A change in priorities
Some of the actions Monday were expected, experts say, including weakening the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, a primary goal during Trump's first term.

Trump overturned a policy that had extended Obamacare’s open enrollment period an additional 12 weeks in 36 states, giving uninsured adults more time to sign up.

He also rescinded an order aimed at strengthening Medicaid, which included providing more outreach funding to states.
In jettisoning Biden’s order to look into new ways to lower out-of-pocket spending on prescription drugs, Levitt said, it could signal that Trump is less serious about addressing the cost of health care in the U.S.

“Trump is kind of wiping the slate clean,” he said. “If you contrast Day 1 of this Trump administration with the last one, it is a different approach to health care.”

Levitt said it remains unclear whether the Trump administration supports Medicare’s negotiating drug prices, a key provision in Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act. Last week, Medicare announced the next round of prescription drugs up for negotiations, including Ozempic and Wegovy.

“Trump could signal that he wants to continue drug price negotiation, or, alternatively, try to repeal it,” Levitt said. “The Trump administration has quite a bit of leeway to choose to negotiate more aggressively or less aggressively.”

Arthur Caplan, the head of the division of medical ethics at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine in New York City, said that for now, it appears that Trump is proceeding on health care costs “with great caution,” leaving Biden’s bigger initiatives alone.

Although Trump has advocated for a minimalist approach to government, Caplan said Trump is aware that the U.S. pays much higher prices for care than other countries and that the government may need to intervene.

Caplan said he hopes Trump leaves the Medicare negotiation provision in place.
 

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What are you going on about here? oh yes...the ol' distract from the topic and create a tangent.

Do you not find it completely strange that one day the Democrats love people that support them like Musk, RFK, Rogan, etc, etc...and the moment those people say they now support Trump they are attacked and demonized?

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

I'm not talking about people who have been and remain Democrat supporters being criticized. That's not the context here.
You were the one to go off topic in the first place!!
Who on earth on the left praised Musk, Rogan and RFK? The Democrats condemned RFK for his anti-vaccine stance. When Harris wanted nothing to do with RFK, that is why he drifted over as a Trump ass kisser, and will be one of the most inept Health Secretary ever in a government!!
Never heard any Democrats idolizing Rogan like the righties praise for him!!
Was Soros campaigning on any Democrats platforms like Musk did? Was he offered a position in Government like Musk? Did he go out dishing money at campaign rallies to those attending like Musk did? Remember that the Republicans were the ones in the first place to demonize Soros with all the fake Conspiracy Theories and linking him to all sorts of corruption!!
Are you in denial of that fact?
 
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Then what was the point of reversing the Affordable Healthcare Act, especially as there were more drugs that were supposed to be negotiated to lower the prices?
That's not the question you should be asking.

The question you should be asking is why is Frankfooter peddling misinformation in an effort to convince you otherwise?
 

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You were the one to go off topic in the first place!!
Who on earth on the left praised Musk, Rogan and RFK? The Democrats condemned RFK for his anti-vaccine stance. When Harris wanted nothing to do with RFK, that is why he drifted over as a Trump ass kisser, and will be one of the most inept Health Secretary ever in a government!!
Never heard any Democrats idolizing Rogan like the righties praise for him!!
Was Soros campaigning on any Democrats platforms like Musk did? Was he offered a position in Government like Musk? Did he go out dishing money at campaign rallies to those attending like Musk did? Remember that the Republicans were the ones in the first place to demonize Soros with all the fake Conspiracy Theories and linking him to all sorts of corruption!!
Are you in denial of that fact?
Soros doesn't have to worry about being offered positions within the Democrat party...he prefers to fund and direct them from the outside.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf


"I used to be part of the blue bubble. I was 100 percent a left leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my entire life," Rogan said.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-trump-supporter-politics-election-vote-1973111

and

The Bernie Sanders Campaign announced the endorsement of television and podcast personality Joe Rogan.
https://www.hrc.org/news/hrc-president-on-joe-rogan-endorsement-and-sanders-campaign-response
 

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That's not the question you should be asking.

The question you should be asking is why is Frankfooter peddling misinformation in an effort to convince you otherwise?
The one who peddles the most misinformation is Trump himself. The we have the righties who keep on posting his lies!!

Of course you will never question Trump's misinformation that is the biggest issue!!

Less Americans will be enrolling for the ACA as a result of the reversal of the Biden's 2021 Executive Order 14009!!

Hence he is making it worse for the Americans!!
 
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Soros doesn't have to worry about being offered positions within the Democrat party...he prefers to fund and direct them from the outside.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf
You are referring to Soros donations over the years. What is "corrupt" about his aid to the Democrats that justifies vilifying him?
Look at how much Musk himself has donated to Trump's and the Super PAC during just this elections:

Musk spent more than a quarter-billion dollars to elect Trump, including funding a mysterious super PAC, new filings show

"I used to be part of the blue bubble. I was 100 percent a left leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my entire life," Rogan said.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-trump-supporter-politics-election-vote-1973111

The Bernie Sanders Campaign announced the endorsement of television and podcast personality Joe Rogan.
https://www.hrc.org/news/hrc-president-on-joe-rogan-endorsement-and-sanders-campaign-response
No Democrats supported Rogan for his anti-vaccine remarks of his, and then praising RFK's Conspiracy Theories.
But remember that it was only Sanders Campaign Team that praised him. Bernie sanders is not a Democrat and is an Independent!!
However, not surprising that Democrats distanced themselves from Rogan when he came up with these despicable comments:

“Bernie Sanders has run a campaign unabashedly supportive of the rights of LGBTQ people. Rogan, however, has attacked transgender people, gay men, women, people of color and countless marginalized groups at every opportunity. For example, Rogan’s statements compared a Black community to the Planet of the Apes. Further, Rogan's vicious rhetoric has dehumanized transgender people by misgendering them and promoting misinformation. In 2019, 25 transgender and gender non-confirming people were killed because of the type of transphobia that Rogan stokes.
 

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Not true.
You made a specific claim about the insulin pricing.
That wasn't true.

Yes, Trump went after something else entirely.
And it is bad.
But if that's what you are worried about, post about it, not the thing that isn't true.
It may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate.
So much of what trump is trying to do is unclear.
Raising the alarm is not wrong.

 

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It may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate.
No. It isn't "it may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate".
It was a flat out lie that he issued an executive order he didn't issue.

That's not even getting into it being a thing he can do via executive order. (Hint. No.)

So much of what trump is trying to do is unclear.
Raising the alarm is not wrong.
"Raising the alarm" by lying is very wrong.
It does nothing but destroy your credibility on things that are actually happening.
 

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No. It isn't "it may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate".
It was a flat out lie that he issued an executive order he didn't issue.

That's not even getting into it being a thing he can do via executive order. (Hint. No.)



"Raising the alarm" by lying is very wrong.
It does nothing but destroy your credibility on things that are actually happening.
Sure, that xitter post was wrong.

There are enough other issues to discuss we can put that on the backburner and see what he does there later.
 

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Sure, that xitter post was wrong.
Which is why you should stop using xitter as your source of news.
Especially if you aren't going to check if things are true.

There are enough other issues to discuss we can put that on the backburner and see what he does there later.
What?
You will avoid things that are untrue and stick to true ones because you don't need to make shit up to show that this is bad and constantly posting bullshit might be counter productive?
What a shocking concept.
 

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The one who peddles the most misinformation is Trump himself. The we have the righties who keep on posting his lies!!

Of course you will never question Trump's misinformation that is the biggest issue!!

Less Americans will be enrolling for the ACA as a result of the reversal of the Biden's 2021 Executive Order 14009!!

Hence he is making it worse for the Americans!!
Frankfooter peddled misinformation that you swallowed whole. You didn't call him out for it having the ability to do so. Why?
 
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You are referring to Soros donations over the years. What is "corrupt" about his aid to the Democrats that justifies vilifying him?
Look at how much Musk himself has donated to Trump's and the Super PAC during just this elections:

Musk spent more than a quarter-billion dollars to elect Trump, including funding a mysterious super PAC, new filings show



No Democrats supported Rogan for his anti-vaccine remarks of his, and then praising RFK's Conspiracy Theories.
But remember that it was only Sanders Campaign Team that praised him. Bernie sanders is not a Democrat and is an Independent!!
However, not surprising that Democrats distanced themselves from Rogan when he came up with these despicable comments:
Who said anything about Soros being corrupt because he donates to the Dems? You?

You can keep putting words in my mouth but it only comes across as you losing the argument because you have to make shit up to wiggle out of it.

Very predictable. But hey, it's sport for me making you reveal your usual tactics.
 
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Frankfooter peddled misinformation that you swallowed whole. You didn't call him out for it having the ability to do so. Why?
Scrutinize what I posted and you will see that Frankfooter was not wrong!!

On the other hand you were not so long ago accusing me of peddling misinformation when I stated that Trump will pardon the violent January 6th Far right Insurrectionist.
Your excuse was that Trump stated that he would not pardon the violent ones. We know how that played out with his Executive Orders!! :rolleyes:
 

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Who said anything about Soros being corrupt because he donates to the Dems? You?

You can keep putting words in my mouth but it only comes across as you losing the argument because you have to make shit up to wiggle out of it.

Very predictable. But hey, it's sport for me making you reveal your usual tactics.
Listen, you caught the bull by the tail. Originally, I was referring to the righties on this Board in the past who accused Soros of being "corrupt" because of how as a Philanthropist he supported many humanitarian projects and donated to the Democrats cause. That is when you chimed in. Show me where I specifically accused you of being one of the righties that called Soros corrupt?
Really, when you throw your two cents into the mix then try to comprehend what the discussion was all about instead of talking shit. I have never lost an argument against you!!
 

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Scrutinize what I posted and you will see that Frankfooter was not wrong!!

On the other hand you were not so long ago accusing me of peddling misinformation when I stated that Trump will pardon the violent January 6th Far right Insurrectionist.
Your excuse was that Trump stated that he would not pardon the violent ones. We know how that played out with his Executive Orders!! :rolleyes:
Frankfooter peddled misinformation...I provided proof, and you kept swallowing what he was peddling.
It's that simple.
It's that pathetic.

You can kick and scream all you want. Doesn't change that fact.
 

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Listen, you caught the bull by the tail. Originally, I was referring to the righties on this Board in the past who accused Soros of being "corrupt" because of how as a Philanthropist he supported many humanitarian projects and donated to the Democrats cause. That is when you chimed in. Show me where I specifically accused you of being one of the righties that called Soros corrupt?
Really, when you throw your two cents into the mix then try to comprehend what the discussion was all about instead of talking shit. I have never lost an argument against you!!
I wasn't commenting on what you were saying a million posts ago.
I was commenting on the amount of money the Dems received from donors vs the Republicans.

If you would actually follow what people are saying rather than going off on tangents to distract you wouldn't look so foolish.
 
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