Trump to be sentenced on Jan. 10 on 34 charges, before his Jan. 20 inauguration

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Just a bunch of incompetent dummies in his cabinet with no experience.
The Whitehouse will be a Comedy Circle in the next four years with the fastest revolving door among any other Governments in History!!
That's the point.
They got someone from the Project 2025 team to write a bunch of EO's.
Likely trump has no idea what he signed.

This one will be unpopular.

 
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Did not the righties demonize the Democrats with this Soros crap in the past? Now that Trump is getting these richest oligarchs to donate heavily to his team, and even encourage Musk to dish out cash to his supporters during the campaign that would have been considered to be bribery under normal campaign regulations. Of course with the Republicans controlling both the House and Senate, this will not be investigated!!
Soros always supported the Democrats. You are missing the point and the context here.

I'm talking about people who USED TO support Democrats and were praised, then were demonized AFTER they decided to support Trump.
 
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Just a bunch of incompetent dummies in his cabinet with no experience.
The Whitehouse will be a Comedy Circle in the next four years with the fastest revolving door among any other Governments in History!!
Don't let Frankfooter scare you with his usual barrage of misinformation and doom/gloom tactics...you're not that gullible are you?

Are you?




The moves by Trump, experts say, are likely to be inconsequential to many Americans in terms of what they pay in out-of-pocket health care costs.

One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs.

That initiative, however, was only in the development stage, said Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was unclear whether it would be implemented at all.

Biden’s bigger health care initiatives, such as a $35 monthly cap on insulin, a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket cap on prescription drugs and Medicare’s negotiating drug pricing provision weren’t affected by Trump’s executive actions Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...en-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
 

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Soros always supported the Democrats. You are missing the point and the context here.

I'm talking about people who USED TO support Democrats and were praised, then were demonized AFTER they decided to support Trump.
There are a load of different contexts to bear in mind. Musk was the one to not only fund Trump but to be his right hand man during his numerous campaign rallies. He even dished out big dollar amounts as incentives to the supporters just to attend the rallies!!
But you missed out one of my contexts in the first place. Soros was scathingly attacked by those on the right with baseless and fake comments equating him with corruption, just for supporting the Democrats. However, when you see all these oligarchs and the amounts that they dished out to get Trump elected, there is a payback for the likes of Musk to head a Department in the Whitehouse!! Do you think that the Soros support for Democrats is right to be labelled as "corrupt" as compared to that of Musk and the scale of his loyalty to Trump?

 

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There are a load of different contexts to bear in mind. Musk was the one to not only fund Trump but to be his right hand man during his numerous campaign rallies. He even dished out big dollar amounts as incentives to the supporters just to attend the rallies!!
But you missed out one of my contexts in the first place. Soros was scathingly attacked by those on the right with baseless and fake comments equating him with corruption, just for supporting the Democrats. However, when you see all these oligarchs and the amounts that they dished out to get Trump elected, there is a payback for the likes of Musk to head a Department in the Whitehouse!! Do you think that the Soros support for Democrats is right to be labelled as "corrupt" as compared to that of Musk and the scale of his loyalty to Trump?

What are you going on about here? oh yes...the ol' distract from the topic and create a tangent.

Do you not find it completely strange that one day the Democrats love people that support them like Musk, RFK, Rogan, etc, etc...and the moment those people say they now support Trump they are attacked and demonized?

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

I'm not talking about people who have been and remain Democrat supporters being criticized. That's not the context here.
 

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Don't let Frankfooter scare you with his usual barrage of misinformation and doom/gloom tactics...you're not that gullible are you?

Are you?




The moves by Trump, experts say, are likely to be inconsequential to many Americans in terms of what they pay in out-of-pocket health care costs.

One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs.

That initiative, however, was only in the development stage, said Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was unclear whether it would be implemented at all.

Biden’s bigger health care initiatives, such as a $35 monthly cap on insulin, a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket cap on prescription drugs and Medicare’s negotiating drug pricing provision weren’t affected by Trump’s executive actions Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...en-policies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555
Then what was the point of reversing the Affordable Healthcare Act, especially as there were more drugs that were supposed to be negotiated to lower the prices?

A change in priorities
Some of the actions Monday were expected, experts say, including weakening the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, a primary goal during Trump's first term.

Trump overturned a policy that had extended Obamacare’s open enrollment period an additional 12 weeks in 36 states, giving uninsured adults more time to sign up.

He also rescinded an order aimed at strengthening Medicaid, which included providing more outreach funding to states.
In jettisoning Biden’s order to look into new ways to lower out-of-pocket spending on prescription drugs, Levitt said, it could signal that Trump is less serious about addressing the cost of health care in the U.S.

“Trump is kind of wiping the slate clean,” he said. “If you contrast Day 1 of this Trump administration with the last one, it is a different approach to health care.”

Levitt said it remains unclear whether the Trump administration supports Medicare’s negotiating drug prices, a key provision in Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act. Last week, Medicare announced the next round of prescription drugs up for negotiations, including Ozempic and Wegovy.

“Trump could signal that he wants to continue drug price negotiation, or, alternatively, try to repeal it,” Levitt said. “The Trump administration has quite a bit of leeway to choose to negotiate more aggressively or less aggressively.”

Arthur Caplan, the head of the division of medical ethics at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine in New York City, said that for now, it appears that Trump is proceeding on health care costs “with great caution,” leaving Biden’s bigger initiatives alone.

Although Trump has advocated for a minimalist approach to government, Caplan said Trump is aware that the U.S. pays much higher prices for care than other countries and that the government may need to intervene.

Caplan said he hopes Trump leaves the Medicare negotiation provision in place.
 

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What are you going on about here? oh yes...the ol' distract from the topic and create a tangent.

Do you not find it completely strange that one day the Democrats love people that support them like Musk, RFK, Rogan, etc, etc...and the moment those people say they now support Trump they are attacked and demonized?

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

I'm not talking about people who have been and remain Democrat supporters being criticized. That's not the context here.
You were the one to go off topic in the first place!!
Who on earth on the left praised Musk, Rogan and RFK? The Democrats condemned RFK for his anti-vaccine stance. When Harris wanted nothing to do with RFK, that is why he drifted over as a Trump ass kisser, and will be one of the most inept Health Secretary ever in a government!!
Never heard any Democrats idolizing Rogan like the righties praise for him!!
Was Soros campaigning on any Democrats platforms like Musk did? Was he offered a position in Government like Musk? Did he go out dishing money at campaign rallies to those attending like Musk did? Remember that the Republicans were the ones in the first place to demonize Soros with all the fake Conspiracy Theories and linking him to all sorts of corruption!!
Are you in denial of that fact?
 
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Then what was the point of reversing the Affordable Healthcare Act, especially as there were more drugs that were supposed to be negotiated to lower the prices?
That's not the question you should be asking.

The question you should be asking is why is Frankfooter peddling misinformation in an effort to convince you otherwise?
 

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You were the one to go off topic in the first place!!
Who on earth on the left praised Musk, Rogan and RFK? The Democrats condemned RFK for his anti-vaccine stance. When Harris wanted nothing to do with RFK, that is why he drifted over as a Trump ass kisser, and will be one of the most inept Health Secretary ever in a government!!
Never heard any Democrats idolizing Rogan like the righties praise for him!!
Was Soros campaigning on any Democrats platforms like Musk did? Was he offered a position in Government like Musk? Did he go out dishing money at campaign rallies to those attending like Musk did? Remember that the Republicans were the ones in the first place to demonize Soros with all the fake Conspiracy Theories and linking him to all sorts of corruption!!
Are you in denial of that fact?
Soros doesn't have to worry about being offered positions within the Democrat party...he prefers to fund and direct them from the outside.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf


"I used to be part of the blue bubble. I was 100 percent a left leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my entire life," Rogan said.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-trump-supporter-politics-election-vote-1973111

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The Bernie Sanders Campaign announced the endorsement of television and podcast personality Joe Rogan.
https://www.hrc.org/news/hrc-president-on-joe-rogan-endorsement-and-sanders-campaign-response
 

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That's not the question you should be asking.

The question you should be asking is why is Frankfooter peddling misinformation in an effort to convince you otherwise?
The one who peddles the most misinformation is Trump himself. The we have the righties who keep on posting his lies!!

Of course you will never question Trump's misinformation that is the biggest issue!!

Less Americans will be enrolling for the ACA as a result of the reversal of the Biden's 2021 Executive Order 14009!!

Hence he is making it worse for the Americans!!
 
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Soros doesn't have to worry about being offered positions within the Democrat party...he prefers to fund and direct them from the outside.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf
You are referring to Soros donations over the years. What is "corrupt" about his aid to the Democrats that justifies vilifying him?
Look at how much Musk himself has donated to Trump's and the Super PAC during just this elections:

Musk spent more than a quarter-billion dollars to elect Trump, including funding a mysterious super PAC, new filings show

"I used to be part of the blue bubble. I was 100 percent a left leaning person who lived in Los Angeles. I never voted Republican my entire life," Rogan said.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-trump-supporter-politics-election-vote-1973111

The Bernie Sanders Campaign announced the endorsement of television and podcast personality Joe Rogan.
https://www.hrc.org/news/hrc-president-on-joe-rogan-endorsement-and-sanders-campaign-response
No Democrats supported Rogan for his anti-vaccine remarks of his, and then praising RFK's Conspiracy Theories.
But remember that it was only Sanders Campaign Team that praised him. Bernie sanders is not a Democrat and is an Independent!!
However, not surprising that Democrats distanced themselves from Rogan when he came up with these despicable comments:

“Bernie Sanders has run a campaign unabashedly supportive of the rights of LGBTQ people. Rogan, however, has attacked transgender people, gay men, women, people of color and countless marginalized groups at every opportunity. For example, Rogan’s statements compared a Black community to the Planet of the Apes. Further, Rogan's vicious rhetoric has dehumanized transgender people by misgendering them and promoting misinformation. In 2019, 25 transgender and gender non-confirming people were killed because of the type of transphobia that Rogan stokes.
 

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Not true.
You made a specific claim about the insulin pricing.
That wasn't true.

Yes, Trump went after something else entirely.
And it is bad.
But if that's what you are worried about, post about it, not the thing that isn't true.
It may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate.
So much of what trump is trying to do is unclear.
Raising the alarm is not wrong.

 

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It may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate.
No. It isn't "it may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate".
It was a flat out lie that he issued an executive order he didn't issue.

That's not even getting into it being a thing he can do via executive order. (Hint. No.)

So much of what trump is trying to do is unclear.
Raising the alarm is not wrong.
"Raising the alarm" by lying is very wrong.
It does nothing but destroy your credibility on things that are actually happening.
 

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No. It isn't "it may be hyperbole or it may end up being accurate".
It was a flat out lie that he issued an executive order he didn't issue.

That's not even getting into it being a thing he can do via executive order. (Hint. No.)



"Raising the alarm" by lying is very wrong.
It does nothing but destroy your credibility on things that are actually happening.
Sure, that xitter post was wrong.

There are enough other issues to discuss we can put that on the backburner and see what he does there later.
 

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Sure, that xitter post was wrong.
Which is why you should stop using xitter as your source of news.
Especially if you aren't going to check if things are true.

There are enough other issues to discuss we can put that on the backburner and see what he does there later.
What?
You will avoid things that are untrue and stick to true ones because you don't need to make shit up to show that this is bad and constantly posting bullshit might be counter productive?
What a shocking concept.
 
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