Harris lost because of support for Israel
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Its Israel that has handlers behind every politician.
What would happen if America stopped supporting israel and it would lead to arabs slaughtering and ethnically cleansing Jews from the river to the sea?
The reputation of the United States would likely suffer profound consequences on multiple fronts if it ceased supporting Israel, resulting in large-scale violence or ethnic cleansing of Jewish populations by Arab states or groups. The impact would depend on the global and domestic context, but here are some likely scenarios:
1. Damage to Moral Credibility
• Humanitarian Failure: If the U.S. disengagement was seen as enabling or ignoring atrocities against Jews, it would be viewed as a betrayal of democratic and humanitarian values, given America’s historical commitment to preventing genocide (e.g., post-Holocaust) and protecting vulnerable populations.
• Loss of Moral Authority: The U.S. would lose moral credibility on the global stage, weakening its ability to advocate for human rights and international law elsewhere.
2. Strained Relations with Allies
• Western Allies: Many of America’s closest allies (e.g., European nations) might condemn the abandonment of Israel and question the U.S.’s reliability as a partner. This could harm NATO cohesion and other alliances.
• Jewish Diaspora Communities: Jewish communities worldwide, particularly in the U.S., would feel alienated, potentially leading to domestic political backlash and fractures within the U.S.
3. Strategic and Geopolitical Fallout
• Loss of Middle East Influence: Disengagement from Israel could be seen as ceding ground to rival powers like Russia or China, who might step in to fill the vacuum and bolster their own influence in the region.
• Encouragement of Aggression: A lack of U.S. support could embolden hostile actors not just in the Middle East but globally, undermining deterrence and inviting further instability.
4. Domestic Repercussions
• Political Divides: In the U.S., the decision could deepen divisions between pro-Israel and anti-Israel factions, intensifying cultural and political polarization.
• Loss of Jewish-American Support: Jewish-Americans, a politically active and influential demographic, might shift their support away from political leaders or parties perceived as abandoning Israel.
5. Repercussions for Global Order
• Undermining International Norms: Allowing ethnic cleansing without intervention would set a dangerous precedent, undermining norms against genocide and crimes against humanity.
• Rise in Antisemitism: Globally, such events could lead to increased antisemitism, as the failure to protect Jews might signal a lack of commitment to fighting hatred and discrimination.
6. Historical Parallels and Legacy
• The situation could be compared to past failures to prevent genocide (e.g., Rwanda, the Holocaust). The U.S. could be criticized in history books as complicit in atrocities by omission, a legacy that would tarnish its global standing for decades.
Conclusion
Abandoning Israel and indirectly allowing violence or ethnic cleansing would severely damage America’s reputation as a global leader committed to democracy, human rights, and stability. This reputational damage would have far-reaching consequences for U.S. influence, alliances, and domestic cohesion.
The reputation of the United States would likely suffer profound consequences on multiple fronts if it ceased supporting Israel, resulting in large-scale violence or ethnic cleansing of Jewish populations by Arab states or groups. The impact would depend on the global and domestic context, but here are some likely scenarios:
1. Damage to Moral Credibility
• Humanitarian Failure: If the U.S. disengagement was seen as enabling or ignoring atrocities against Jews, it would be viewed as a betrayal of democratic and humanitarian values, given America’s historical commitment to preventing genocide (e.g., post-Holocaust) and protecting vulnerable populations.
• Loss of Moral Authority: The U.S. would lose moral credibility on the global stage, weakening its ability to advocate for human rights and international law elsewhere.
2. Strained Relations with Allies
• Western Allies: Many of America’s closest allies (e.g., European nations) might condemn the abandonment of Israel and question the U.S.’s reliability as a partner. This could harm NATO cohesion and other alliances.
• Jewish Diaspora Communities: Jewish communities worldwide, particularly in the U.S., would feel alienated, potentially leading to domestic political backlash and fractures within the U.S.
3. Strategic and Geopolitical Fallout
• Loss of Middle East Influence: Disengagement from Israel could be seen as ceding ground to rival powers like Russia or China, who might step in to fill the vacuum and bolster their own influence in the region.
• Encouragement of Aggression: A lack of U.S. support could embolden hostile actors not just in the Middle East but globally, undermining deterrence and inviting further instability.
4. Domestic Repercussions
• Political Divides: In the U.S., the decision could deepen divisions between pro-Israel and anti-Israel factions, intensifying cultural and political polarization.
• Loss of Jewish-American Support: Jewish-Americans, a politically active and influential demographic, might shift their support away from political leaders or parties perceived as abandoning Israel.
5. Repercussions for Global Order
• Undermining International Norms: Allowing ethnic cleansing without intervention would set a dangerous precedent, undermining norms against genocide and crimes against humanity.
• Rise in Antisemitism: Globally, such events could lead to increased antisemitism, as the failure to protect Jews might signal a lack of commitment to fighting hatred and discrimination.
6. Historical Parallels and Legacy
• The situation could be compared to past failures to prevent genocide (e.g., Rwanda, the Holocaust). The U.S. could be criticized in history books as complicit in atrocities by omission, a legacy that would tarnish its global standing for decades.
Conclusion
Abandoning Israel and indirectly allowing violence or ethnic cleansing would severely damage America’s reputation as a global leader committed to democracy, human rights, and stability. This reputational damage would have far-reaching consequences for U.S. influence, alliances, and domestic cohesion.
Backing the genocide will be the end of zionism, AIPAC and any claim that the US is a good force on the world.
Biden showed ‘double standard’ on human rights amid Israel’s Gaza war: HRW
Human Rights Watch’s annual report says liberal democracies were generally ‘not reliable’ on human rights.
Prime example of what a guy thinks when he has too much time in his hands and do nothing all day but scour the internet and twitter about how bad Israel is. You keep repeating the same thing...there won't be violence in Gaza if terrorists are gone....forget the dream that one day, "Palestinians will be free from the river to the sea" because that will cost a lot of lives. Bibi might be voted out of the next election? who knows...Hamas leadership is in shambles , Gaza is in ruins...Israel? Israel well, they learn their lesson never to let their guard down.Backing the genocide will be the end of zionism, AIPAC and any claim that the US is a good force on the world.
Biden showed ‘double standard’ on human rights amid Israel’s Gaza war: HRW
Human Rights Watch’s annual report says liberal democracies were generally ‘not reliable’ on human rights.www.aljazeera.com
So who’s gonna get israel’s nukes, hamas or hezbollah?Backing the genocide will be the end of zionism, AIPAC and any claim that the US is a good force on the world.
Biden showed ‘double standard’ on human rights amid Israel’s Gaza war: HRW
Human Rights Watch’s annual report says liberal democracies were generally ‘not reliable’ on human rights.
Truth be told, they do have a choice. But as you say, each time they need to make a choice, they look at the reality of the geopolitics, and regardless of the decade or the party or the administration, it's a no brainer. It is in the best interests of the US to support Israel. We've seen this over and over and over, again and again and again. Why some people won't accept this reality is totally illogical.
Yes, Biden had a choice and chose genocide.
Israel had a choice and chose genocide.
You had a choice and chose genocide.,
Qatar won't do shit....they protected known terrorists...another flex with no balls.
Of ALL voters in the US, the war ranked 15th most important.
shack said:
Economy Most Important Issue to 2024 Presidential Vote
A 15th ranked issue does not determine the outcome of an election. The correct answer is usually the simplest one.
That's an old poll taken before the election.
I posted a new poll that asks the specific questions about why people didn't vote.
Own it, your genocide put trump in power.
They've played their hand very smartly since they became a recognized state in 1948 when they accepted the land that was offered to them. They know how to play the game.
They have placed a premium on making themselves valuable to the US. They realized immediately that that strategy was crucial. They needed to make the most powerful nation on earth a strong ally and supporter. And they've implemented that strategy very well and on various levels as you just showed us here. But they have many, many other ways to curry favour with the US. It seems that the most common tactic by the Arab entities is to use violence and intimidation throughout Europe and N. America to try to get people to accommodate their wishes. We all know how that has worked out for them.
Israel is using the tools that are available to them. What's wrong with that? It just makes perfect sense. They are smart. That's like his opponents saying that Ali cheated when he won all those boxing matches. "It was unfair for him to use his hand speed, agility and the ability to float like a butterfly", because they didn't have those things. Wah. Wah. Wah. Only the losers need to resort to excuses. The winners celebrate.
You quoted Leimonis yet did not address a single point he made.Backing the genocide will be the end of zionism, AIPAC and any claim that the US is a good force on the world.
Biden showed ‘double standard’ on human rights amid Israel’s Gaza war: HRW
Human Rights Watch’s annual report says liberal democracies were generally ‘not reliable’ on human rights.
Instead it was nothing more than your mantra "Genocide. Zionism. AIPAC."
