A warning from Bernie Sanders to America

roddermac

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We blame them for cheating the rules to get rich and stay rich.
Nobody expects them to give their money away, that's what taxes are for.

Tax them, make them pay the same tax rate as teachers and cops.

They pay their taxes. It's government spending that's the problem. Elon Musk Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg aren't in charge of the Industrial Military Complex.
 
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JohnLarue

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Depends.
How much are they paying in taxes?
that is completely irrelevant to you & your wealth


Where will this tax revenue go?
that is completely out of their control
where the tax revenue is spent is determined by politicians

no benefit / no cost to you
unless you are a layoff Tesla senior executive in which case you are likely sitting on millions of dollars of stock / options

no benefit / no cost to you


Spite is when you cut the American working class out the process and the wealth, for your own gain.
WTF you are very confused about why individuals start / run a business
it is to meet a market demand . - which greatly benefits society
nobody is incentivized to cut the American working class out the process and the wealth
that is just loonie left clap trap


The vast majority already do this.
apparently not effectively if they require govt subsidies to survive

It's the rich that don't care. When it all crashes, the rich can pick-up and move anywhere in the world.
sounds like the individual pursuit of wealth produces a better out come than expecting reliance on the nanny state

you will soon see how 10 years of left policies plays out
 
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JohnLarue

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See the difference in opinion is simple. I think healthcare is a human right. And you don't. You think that everything should have have a profit motive. I don't.
A human right is something that can only be taken away, not given to you
health care requires others time and resources which costs money independent of profit
your demand for health care is an obligation which must be provided by others
this a fundamental truism you ignore because it is convenient for you.

I don't think a child should when treatment is available, be allowed to suffer or die, because profit is more important.
a child's health care is the responsibility of the child's parents
one needs to take responsibility for their off spring

I'm not sure you even realize that is what you are being an advocate for.
advocate ?

i am just pointing out universal health care is not sustainable & the nanny state is not sustainable.

i do not like what is going to happen to universal health care , but the irreversible damage has been done already

its time for many to wake up about what they feel is a birthright
 
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JohnLarue

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Spite is when you cut the American working class out the process and the wealth, for your own gain.
no
spite is when you seek to steal others wealth via taxation

society has benefited immensely from the innovations / advancements provided via the pursuit of profit / wealth (and access to reliable energy) on all important measures
life expectancies
adject poverty reduction
child mortality rates etc.

do not mess with that

there has always been a wealth gap.
since the day one cave man had an apple and the other cave man did not
rather than having the second caveman walk to the apple tree, you would insist on cutting the one apple in half

it is human nature and you can not change that
but you sure can cause havoc by trying to change human nature via taxation
 

DesRicardo

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that is completely irrelevant to you & your wealth



that is completely out of their control
where the tax revenue is spent is determined by politicians



no benefit / no cost to you
unless you are a layoff Tesla senior executive in which case you are likely sitting on millions of dollars of stock / options


no benefit / no cost to you
You're just completely wrong. If the taxes are reinvested back into society properly, it can greatly impact people in wealth and beyond.
America doesn't have a public health care system. That right their is strictly a wealth issue.

Tax revenue is controlled by government? Who's going into government? That's right the billionaire.

That's not even taking into fact the lobbying power they have.

And no, most laid of tech workers are not millionaires.

You asked how this affects society and I've showed you.

WTF you are very confused about why individuals start / run a business
it is to meet a market demand . - which greatly benefits society
nobody is incentivized to cut the American working class out the process and the wealth
that is just loonie left clap trap
You're out of your mind John. The whole purpose of laying people off is to incentivize shareholder's returns.

Then after they are laid-off they bring in foreign workers to undercut the american workers.


apparently not effectively if they require govt subsidies to survive


sounds like the individual pursuit of wealth produces a better out come than expecting reliance on the nanny state

you will soon see how 10 years of left policies plays out
Now you are just stating half-sentence opinions.
 

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A human right is something that can only be taken away, not given to you
health care requires others time and resources which costs money independent of profit
your demand for health care is an obligation which must be provided by others
this a fundamental truism you ignore because it is convenient for you.


a child's health care is the responsibility of the child's parents
one needs to take responsibility for their off spring


advocate ?

i am just pointing out universal health care is not sustainable & the nanny state is not sustainable.

i do not like what is going to happen to universal health care , but the irreversible damage has been done already
Well I guess you do think that money is more important than people.
 

DesRicardo

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no
spite is when you seek to steal others wealth via taxation

society has benefited immensely from the innovations / advancements provided via the pursuit of profit / wealth (and access to reliable energy) on all important measures
life expectancies
adject poverty reduction
child mortality rates etc.

do not mess with that

there has always been a wealth gap.
since the day one cave man had an apple and the other cave man did not

it is human nature and you can not change that
but you sure can cause havoc by trying to change human nature via taxation
The fact you had to re-reply me makes me know you're down bad.

If can't steal what you agree to give. But to not give your fair share is corrupt.
 

nottyboi

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You think most billionaires in the world inherited their vast wealth?
OMFG
Yes they did prove me wrong. According to a UBS study, 53 of the 137 new billionaires inherited their wealth, which was more than the $140.7 billion earned by the 84 new self-made billionaires in the same time period. Personally I think you should be able to pass on 100m, the rest should be taken into custody by govt and privatized and sold off
 
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why?
capitalism and access to affordable reliable energy have done a great job of reducing world wide abject poverty

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if you were really concerned about inequality you would focus on the 8% left hand tail instead of the miniscule right hand green tail

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but no
you and the loonie left liberals want to restrict access to fossil fuels kill innovation and turn the 8% red into 58% red
Concentration of wealth to a degree is necessary I am in the green its not the green that is the problem, its not the top 1% its the top 0.001% At $100 a day you are not picking govts, starting wars and bribing politicians.
 
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nottyboi

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They pay their taxes. It's government spending that's the problem. Elon Musk Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg aren't in charge of the Industrial Military Complex.
The MIC is part of the problem, you think Musk did not get any MIC money launching sats and providing Starlink to the global network of military bases? You don't think the MIC uses Amazons supply chain?
 

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Ask any American of average means what they prefer. They will happily tell you Canada, warts and all. We have problems too. But ours are solvable.
As proven by the guy who gunned down the CEO of a healthcare company in cold blood in the back in NYC and he became a cult hero. A totally cowardly event made him loved.
 

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Yes they did prove me wrong. According to a UBS study, 53 of the 137 new billionaires inherited their wealth, which was more than the $140.7 billion earned by the 84 new self-made billionaires in the same time period. Personally I think you should be able to pass on 100m, the rest should be taken into custody by govt and privatized and sold off
You can't include heirs. That skews what this topic is about. We're talking about billionaires who achieved their wealth due to innovation, investment and risk. Not their kids.

And why do you feel entitled to someone else's money just because they have more than you?
 
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shack

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the mortality rate in the US is 0.75% per year vs bankruptcy rate of 0.015%
spouses and children are certainly affect by death
you can not protect the public against adverse life events
Of course not all events. But the idea is to mitigate the losses. Universal healthcare does a better job of that. It's been proved by the majority of countries that have some form of socialized health care.

what you call price schedule and no price gouging is really government subsidies
again the risk is borne by govt in Canada
As paid for by the income taxes Canadians pay. We are taking the risk. Canadians are subsidizing themselves and seem to gladly accept it. It's our money that's funding it yet we haven't revolted over this in about 70 years (Tommy Douglas), because we've seen that our system is better.

the average American knows diddly squat about Canada let alone our health care system or taxation regime.
Exactly. We know how ignorant they are of anything that occurs outside of their borders. They have no idea how much they're getting ripped off on top of the fact are swayed by the fear mongering fed to them by Big Health and the GOP. If they knew the reality they'd revolt. "Oh no!! Socialism. We're becoming Communists. The only good Red is a dead Red. We can't have that."

They pay the most per capita in the world for direct health care and pharmaceuticals, yet their mortality rates/life expectancy rank (off the top of my head) down around only the 40th percentile. They pay more and get less, as the only 1st world country that does not have socialized health care. I have no idea how any rational person can accept that, let alone try to justify it. It's like the whole world has been doing a huge experiment on what's the best/most efficient way to deliver health care to the populace since at least the mid-1900's and the US is the only country that refuses to accept what rest of the world has proved is irrefutable with 70 years of testing.

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They pay their taxes. It's government spending that's the problem. Elon Musk Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg aren't in charge of the Industrial Military Complex.
According to the Socialists on here, wealthy people must be criminals and always cheat the system.
That's the type of thinking that let's Communism take hold where what they really want is everyone to make the same and have the same as everyone else.

They think their socialistic views are actually hiding what they are really after.

There's no better way to convince people who are poor that the cause of their poverty is someone who must have stolen all the money.
 

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As proven by the guy who gunned down the CEO of a healthcare company in cold blood in the back in NYC and he became a cult hero. A totally cowardly event made him loved.
And he was a member of a rich, well connected family.

CEO deserved it btw. He was as bad as it gets.
 
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