Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!

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lol

Nevermind.


 

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where all the cyclists at today?

haven't seen one

but lots of cars stuck in one lane of traffic beside beautiful shiny bike lanes with nobody using them
They're probably in those cars today wondering why there's so much traffic.
It's all about perspective...and stupidity.
 
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where all the cyclists at today?

haven't seen one

but lots of cars stuck in one lane of traffic beside beautiful shiny bike lanes with nobody using them

Here's your answer

 

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Here's your answer

I always find it funny when they use European cities like Oulu, Finland, that has a population of 250,000 compared to Toronto which has almost 3 million.
You know when city councilors take those trips abroad to "study" what other cities are doing? Then come back and try to shoehorn the same ideas here to justify the expense of travelling on our dime?

I think it's interesting when they show Oulu's bike lanes are independent from vehicle roads. i.e. separate paths,
Unlike in Toronto where they are crammed in with cars and transit vehicles on roads that were never designed for bike lanes.
 
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I always find it funny when they use European cities like Oulu, Finland, that has a population of 250,000 compared to Toronto which has almost 3 million.
You know when city councilors take those trips abroad to "study" what other cities are doing? Then come back and try to shoehorn the same ideas here to justify the expense of travelling on our dime?

I think it's interesting when they show Oulu's bike lanes are independent from vehicle roads. i.e. separate paths,
Unlike in Toronto where they are crammed in with cars and transit vehicles on roads that were never designed for bike lanes.
I bet those cities didn't shoehorn 1000 skyscrapers in a 20 year period either without any real infrastructure either.
 
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I bet those cities didn't shoehorn 1000 skyscrapers in a 20 year period either without any real infrastructure either.
Yes.
Those skyscrapers generate more property tax revenue than roads & infrastructure do. Gives them more money to spend on important things like renaming parks and building bike lanes.
 

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Bloor West, Yonge, and University lanes are the first to go

Why restoring a few kms of urban, inner city, local, neighborhood lanes will not amount to a hill of beans to tackle motor vehicle caused congestion gridlock and mayhem.


Why experts say work on these 5 fronts is needed to tackle Toronto's congestion crisis


Nicole Brockbank, Angelina King · CBC News · Posted: Jan 28, 2025 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 5 hours ago

Unfortunately, there's no single fix for Toronto's congestion problem.

"You have to do everything," said Baher Abdulhai, an engineering professor at the University of Toronto who specializes in intelligent transportation systems."

There is no silver-bullet solution."Instead, Abdulhai explained, we'll need significant investment in and changes on five key fronts. A variety of other experts CBC Toronto spoke to for this series, Gridlocked: The Way Out, said the same.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...-enforcement-seattle-fight-gridlock-1.7439589
Some of the work is already underway, while other solutions remain controversial. But at the heart of the issue, Abdulhai says, is supply and demand: There are too many cars for the existing roads.

Part 2 of CBC Toronto's three-part series, Gridlocked: The Way Out, explains why congestion is so bad in Toronto and how experts say implementing a combination of several solutions in tandem could make things better.


1. Build more and better transit

Toronto has about 5,600 kilometres of road, and the city says it doesn't plan to build any more.

Those roads reached their maximum potential in the 1970s. And since 2000, the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) has added 1.2 million more cars to the system, according to the Toronto Region Board of Trade.

So experts say there's a need for attractive alternatives — namely public transit.

"Building out the system is the critical piece," said Giles Gherson, TRBOT president. "We've known we had to build transit for decades — but couldn't quite get around to doing it."

Several projects are in development. Construction began on the Ontario Line, a 15-stop, 15.6-kilometre subway, in December 2021. The line will run through Toronto's downtown core connecting the Eglinton Crosstown LRT in the northeast with Exhibition Place in the southwest. It's supposed to be complete in 2031.

Other projects include the Yonge North Subway Extension, which will add five stations to the TTC's Line 1 service north nearly eight kilometres to Richmond Hill, and electrifying GO Transit trains for faster service.
Abdulhai says we can't afford to stop there.

"We need a lot more, especially at the regional level," he said. "Expand GO Transit, and have a transit solution to the 401."

But building transit requires construction, which also impacts congestion.


2. Minimize impact of construction

Between transit, infrastructure upgrades and building housing, there is plenty of construction in Toronto.

"This past summer, we saw as much as 18 per cent of all road capacity taken away due to construction," said Roger Browne, Toronto's director of traffic management.

Overwhelmingly, experts told CBC Toronto the city needs to improve its oversight and management of construction projects.

"Space them apart, don't close all the roads at the same time," said Abdulhai.

"[Otherwise] you're not looking for a traffic engineering solution, you're looking for a magician to be able to move infrastructure that's clogged everywhere."

The city is working on it. Council passed a congestion management plan last fall that includes a levy for builders who block lanes of traffic for construction. The fee would increase based on the size and duration of the closure.

"They're incentivized to minimize their construction work zone."

There will also be a new online booking system for builders to see what road closures have already been approved before they apply to close a road for construction.

"That gives us an opportunity to make sure that we're not closing too many roads all at the same time," said Browne. "And [builders] see themselves [for] first-hand."


3. Embrace tech on existing roads

While construction continues on new transit and other projects, technology can help keep existing roadways moving.

"If you put too much demand in the infrastructure," Abdulhai said, "then it comes to a halt … and that causes significant further delays.

"We want to use technology to kind of smoothen the operation of how the demand fits in the infrastructure."

For him, that means using AI to create smart highways and traffic lights. He demonstrated the difference for CBC Toronto using funnels representing two highways and rice kernels representing cars.

Baher Abdulhai, an engineering professor at the University of Toronto, demonstrates the difference between a smart highway and existing highways using funnels to represent the highways and rice kernels to represent cars.

For the uncontrolled highway, he poured all of the rice into the funnel at once, creating a bottleneck that took time to drain — representing congestion.

"In the smart freeway, possibly controlled by artificial intelligence, what we do is control the pace of how [the rice] traffic is poured into the system so everybody goes through without stopping and without delay," said Abdulhai.

Practically, that pacing could be accomplished by adding traffic lights to highway on-ramps, also called a "ramp meter," that would control traffic merging onto the highway in a way that doesn't slow it down.

Browne said the city doesn't currently have plans to implement highway metering within Toronto, because there isn't much space for queuing vehicles off highways.

It also might not be within Toronto's control, he said, given the city uploaded oversight of the Gardiner Expressway and Don Valley Parkway to the province in 2023.

Toronto's Traffic Operations Centre monitors traffic across the city 24/7 through 400 camera feeds and can adjust the city's nearly 2,500 traffic signals remotely when there's a problem. (Paul Borkwood/CBC)
When it comes to traffic signals, hundreds of the city's nearly 2,500 traffic lights already use artificial intelligence. But Browne says his team is exploring more AI use for signals to alleviate pressure on staff, who otherwise have to remotely adjust them when there's an issue.

CBC Toronto also explored how automated enforcement technology for traffic violations can change driver behaviour and alleviate gridlock in the first part of this series.


4. Incentivize changing behaviour

The public and private sectors should offer incentives for changed behaviour, experts say — like an insurance break, or a free TTC pass.

"People aren't going to be motivated to change if they don't have a reason," said Taryn Grieder, assistant psychology professor at the University of Toronto.

Gherson of the TRBOT is amazed by the number of businesses he knows are already doing this. He also says many companies are running private shuttles between their workplaces and transit hubs.

"This building here has a private sector shuttle service to get to Union Station because we don't have much along Queens Quay and it's going to inhibit the ability to grow this area," he said about the office tower where the board of trade is located.

Gherson also believes there should be incentives for businesses that do deliveries overnight to avoid clogging up roads during the day.

"Businesses' role is going to be to support hopefully the action plan, because governments aren't going to make big moves if they don't feel there's a lot of support behind them."


5. Consider congestion pricing

A lack of public and political support hangs around the final piece of the puzzle for many experts: congestion pricing.

Several major cities including London, Stockholm and most recently New York City have some charge levied on drivers in their most congested areas. The fees are intended to convince some to pursue alternative transit options or to drive in off-peak hours with time-of-day pricing.

Previous efforts to implement this in Toronto have failed. But Abdulhai and others say there's no way around it in reducing the gap between road capacity and demand.
 
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Why restoring a few kms of urban, inner city, local, neighborhood lanes will not amount to a hill of beans to tackle motor vehicle caused congestion gridlock and mayhem.


Why experts say work on these 5 fronts is needed to tackle Toronto's congestion crisis


Nicole Brockbank, Angelina King · CBC News · Posted: Jan 28, 2025 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 5 hours ago

Unfortunately, there's no single fix for Toronto's congestion problem.

"You have to do everything," said Baher Abdulhai, an engineering professor at the University of Toronto who specializes in intelligent transportation systems."

There is no silver-bullet solution."Instead, Abdulhai explained, we'll need significant investment in and changes on five key fronts. A variety of other experts CBC Toronto spoke to for this series, Gridlocked: The Way Out, said the same.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...-enforcement-seattle-fight-gridlock-1.7439589
Some of the work is already underway, while other solutions remain controversial. But at the heart of the issue, Abdulhai says, is supply and demand: There are too many cars for the existing roads.

Part 2 of CBC Toronto's three-part series, Gridlocked: The Way Out, explains why congestion is so bad in Toronto and how experts say implementing a combination of several solutions in tandem could make things better.


1. Build more and better transit

Toronto has about 5,600 kilometres of road, and the city says it doesn't plan to build any more.

Those roads reached their maximum potential in the 1970s. And since 2000, the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) has added 1.2 million more cars to the system, according to the Toronto Region Board of Trade.

So experts say there's a need for attractive alternatives — namely public transit.

"Building out the system is the critical piece," said Giles Gherson, TRBOT president. "We've known we had to build transit for decades — but couldn't quite get around to doing it."

Several projects are in development. Construction began on the Ontario Line, a 15-stop, 15.6-kilometre subway, in December 2021. The line will run through Toronto's downtown core connecting the Eglinton Crosstown LRT in the northeast with Exhibition Place in the southwest. It's supposed to be complete in 2031.

Other projects include the Yonge North Subway Extension, which will add five stations to the TTC's Line 1 service north nearly eight kilometres to Richmond Hill, and electrifying GO Transit trains for faster service.
Abdulhai says we can't afford to stop there.

"We need a lot more, especially at the regional level," he said. "Expand GO Transit, and have a transit solution to the 401."

But building transit requires construction, which also impacts congestion.


2. Minimize impact of construction

Between transit, infrastructure upgrades and building housing, there is plenty of construction in Toronto.

"This past summer, we saw as much as 18 per cent of all road capacity taken away due to construction," said Roger Browne, Toronto's director of traffic management.

Overwhelmingly, experts told CBC Toronto the city needs to improve its oversight and management of construction projects.

"Space them apart, don't close all the roads at the same time," said Abdulhai.

"[Otherwise] you're not looking for a traffic engineering solution, you're looking for a magician to be able to move infrastructure that's clogged everywhere."

The city is working on it. Council passed a congestion management plan last fall that includes a levy for builders who block lanes of traffic for construction. The fee would increase based on the size and duration of the closure.

"They're incentivized to minimize their construction work zone."

There will also be a new online booking system for builders to see what road closures have already been approved before they apply to close a road for construction.

"That gives us an opportunity to make sure that we're not closing too many roads all at the same time," said Browne. "And [builders] see themselves [for] first-hand."


3. Embrace tech on existing roads

While construction continues on new transit and other projects, technology can help keep existing roadways moving.

"If you put too much demand in the infrastructure," Abdulhai said, "then it comes to a halt … and that causes significant further delays.

"We want to use technology to kind of smoothen the operation of how the demand fits in the infrastructure."

For him, that means using AI to create smart highways and traffic lights. He demonstrated the difference for CBC Toronto using funnels representing two highways and rice kernels representing cars.

Baher Abdulhai, an engineering professor at the University of Toronto, demonstrates the difference between a smart highway and existing highways using funnels to represent the highways and rice kernels to represent cars.

For the uncontrolled highway, he poured all of the rice into the funnel at once, creating a bottleneck that took time to drain — representing congestion.

"In the smart freeway, possibly controlled by artificial intelligence, what we do is control the pace of how [the rice] traffic is poured into the system so everybody goes through without stopping and without delay," said Abdulhai.

Practically, that pacing could be accomplished by adding traffic lights to highway on-ramps, also called a "ramp meter," that would control traffic merging onto the highway in a way that doesn't slow it down.

Browne said the city doesn't currently have plans to implement highway metering within Toronto, because there isn't much space for queuing vehicles off highways.

It also might not be within Toronto's control, he said, given the city uploaded oversight of the Gardiner Expressway and Don Valley Parkway to the province in 2023.

Toronto's Traffic Operations Centre monitors traffic across the city 24/7 through 400 camera feeds and can adjust the city's nearly 2,500 traffic signals remotely when there's a problem. (Paul Borkwood/CBC)
When it comes to traffic signals, hundreds of the city's nearly 2,500 traffic lights already use artificial intelligence. But Browne says his team is exploring more AI use for signals to alleviate pressure on staff, who otherwise have to remotely adjust them when there's an issue.

CBC Toronto also explored how automated enforcement technology for traffic violations can change driver behaviour and alleviate gridlock in the first part of this series.


4. Incentivize changing behaviour

The public and private sectors should offer incentives for changed behaviour, experts say — like an insurance break, or a free TTC pass.

"People aren't going to be motivated to change if they don't have a reason," said Taryn Grieder, assistant psychology professor at the University of Toronto.

Gherson of the TRBOT is amazed by the number of businesses he knows are already doing this. He also says many companies are running private shuttles between their workplaces and transit hubs.

"This building here has a private sector shuttle service to get to Union Station because we don't have much along Queens Quay and it's going to inhibit the ability to grow this area," he said about the office tower where the board of trade is located.

Gherson also believes there should be incentives for businesses that do deliveries overnight to avoid clogging up roads during the day.

"Businesses' role is going to be to support hopefully the action plan, because governments aren't going to make big moves if they don't feel there's a lot of support behind them."


5. Consider congestion pricing

A lack of public and political support hangs around the final piece of the puzzle for many experts: congestion pricing.

Several major cities including London, Stockholm and most recently New York City have some charge levied on drivers in their most congested areas. The fees are intended to convince some to pursue alternative transit options or to drive in off-peak hours with time-of-day pricing.

Previous efforts to implement this in Toronto have failed. But Abdulhai and others say there's no way around it in reducing the gap between road capacity and demand.
If there are no real good public transit options then no one will abandon their vehicles. Pretending there are and thinking the number of cars is being reduced is idiotic.

All the cities mentioned have far better transit systems than Toronto.

Everything Toronto is trying to do is actually really for generating more money in fines and l fees.

Build transit first, then offer it as a viable alternative. Not just tell people not to drive and leave them with shitty options and create more congestions with bike lanes in the interim. That hasn't and will never work.
 

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If there are no real good public transit options then no one will abandon their vehicles. Pretending there are and thinking the number of cars is being reduced is idiotic.

All the cities mentioned have far better transit systems than Toronto.

Everything Toronto is trying to do is actually really for generating more money in fines and l fees.

Build transit first, then offer it as a viable alternative. Not just tell people not to drive and leave them with shitty options and create more congestions with bike lanes in the interim. That hasn't and will never work.
When experts speak you appear to get testy.

When other cities say "yes we can and have" you say "no we can't and won't".

When other cities build safe streets you say, "Doug rip ' em out."
 
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If there are no real good public transit options then no one will abandon their vehicles. Pretending there are and thinking the number of cars is being reduced is idiotic.

All the cities mentioned have far better transit systems than Toronto.

Everything Toronto is trying to do is actually really for generating more money in fines and l fees.

Build transit first, then offer it as a viable alternative. Not just tell people not to drive and leave them with shitty options and create more congestions with bike lanes in the interim. That hasn't and will never work.
Here are more experts that no doubt will piss you off.


As gridlock grinds Toronto to a halt, here's what the city could learn from Seattle's traffic cameras
CBC Toronto’s 3-part series explores solutions to the city’s congestion crisis

Nicole Brockbank, Angelina King · CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2025 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 3 hours ago


"I've seen it where it's four light cycles and not one car moves an inch."

Sound familiar, Toronto?

As it happens, Officer Eric Daylong isn't describing traffic in Canada's largest city. Instead, he's talking about how blocking an intersection can impact congestion in Seattle, where he works for the police department's traffic unit.

Every day when deciding whether to issue a ticket, he reviews video of potential traffic violations captured by the American city's automated enforcement cameras. In addition to operating increasingly common red-light and speed-zone cameras, Seattle has automated enforcement for "blocking the box" and driving in a bus lane.

It's the only North American city issuing tickets for both traffic infractions that way — and it appears to be changing behaviour. Since the program launched in 2022, only up to nine per cent of vehicle owners who were issued a warning for blocking the box later received a ticket for doing it again.

"I would hate to imagine what traffic would be like in Seattle without it, especially in these busy intersections," said Daylong.

"If you're a pedestrian, they love it. If you're a cyclist, they love it — because it clears everything for them."

On a quest to figure out how to fix traffic, CBC Toronto travels to Seattle to get a behind-the-scenes look at how cameras seem to be deterring drivers from blocking intersections and driving in bus lanes.

Now, Toronto is looking to follow Seattle's lead.

City council approved a congestion management plan in October that includes piloting automated enforcement for blocking the box, driving in dedicated bus lanes, and obstructing bike lanes, to help get Toronto moving.

To dig into how big of a difference those programs could make on congestion, CBC Toronto travelled to Seattle for a first-hand look at how its comparable programs work. This is the first part of Gridlocked: The Way Out, a three-part CBC series exploring various solutions to Toronto's costly congestion problem.

Gridlock costs the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area (GTHA) $44.7 billion a year in economic and social value, which includes lost productivity and reductions to commuters' quality of life, according to a December study by the

Canadian Centre for Economic Analysis
. It was commissioned by the Residential and Civil Construction Alliance of Ontario and
the Ontario Road Builders' Association.

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS PHOTO BELOW. MOTOR VEHICLE DRIVERS ARE THE CAUSE OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION, GRIDLOCK AND MAYHEM NOT CYCLE LANES.


An aerial view of backed up traffic in downtown Toronto.


Last year, a survey from the Toronto Region Board of Trade (TRBOT) also found that the majority of 1,000 respondents consider congestion a "crisis" and have thought about moving away because of it.

CBC Toronto spoke to a variety of experts for this series, including engineers, police officers and even a psychologist. Many of them considered traffic enforcement a piece of the puzzle of eliminating congestion.

"So many intersections around here, you walk around 3:30 [p.m.] to 5:30 p.m., you can't get across — nobody can — because cars are blocking it," said Giles Gerson, president of the TRBOT, which has formed a congestion task force.

"But they can get away with it because there's no real enforcement."

How it works in Seattle

Seattle expanded its automated enforcement program to include blocking the box and driving in dedicated bus lanes to build on the success its transportation department says it had with red-light and speed cameras.

"They've been very effective at changing people's behaviour and improving safety," said Andy Merkley, civil engineering supervisor for Seattle's Vision Zero program.

Currently six intersections have cameras for block-the-box enforcement, and six locations have cameras to enforce designated bus lanes. (One intersection has cameras for both infractions.)

If a vehicle is caught blocking an intersection, or driving in a bus lane, the video is screened by the vendor of the technology and then sent to Seattle Police to confirm or dismiss the violation. For the first infraction, the vehicle owner receives a warning in the mail — but if they do it again, they receive a $75 US ticket.

Roughly 28,000 warnings and just over 2,400 tickets have been issued for blocking the box so far and about 267,000 warnings and just under 120,700 tickets for driving in a bus lane, according to data from Seattle Police.

For blocking the box, only a maximum of nine per cent of vehicle owners who received a warning were later issued a ticket. The recidivism rate is higher for driving in a bus lane, at 45 per cent from the time the program launched in spring 2022 to the end of 2024.

"The eight to nine per cent rate that we've been seeing for block-the-box cameras is pretty low across all types of cameras that we have experience with in Seattle," said Merkley.
He says his department plans to analyze the data later this year to understand all the factors contributing to those violations, but they're expecting the results to be positive.

For his part, Daylong's noticed a significant improvement when it comes to one of the city's downtown bus lanes.

"Before we had this, buses were anywhere from five to 30 minutes late trying to get to their next stop or trying to get through the string of Third Avenue," the police officer said.

"It was terrible."

Boots on the ground now, automation to come

Back in Toronto, the city is currently trying to deter drivers the old-fashioned way. Traffic agents at busy intersections prevent vehicles from blocking the box where they can, and police officers issue warnings and fines in person when they're deployed.

In September, tickets for blocking the box went up from $90 to $450 at most intersections, and this year's proposed city budget includes $3 million to quadruple the number of traffic agents on its streets to 100.

But an automated enforcement pilot is also on the way — and Toronto wants to learn from other jurisdictions like Seattle.

"There's a lot of really, really good practices they put in play that we definitely want to try and leverage," said Roger Browne, director of traffic management for the city.

"The technology they use, where they mount the cameras, all those different things."

He also said the city will start installing cameras this year to gather data to build the program, but enforcement isn't likely to start until sometime in 2026 at the earliest. The city has to get provincial approval for a few aspects of the program.

Increasing scale of enforcement

When the time comes, the head of traffic services for Toronto police says automation is going to hold people accountable.

"Really what that means is I don't need to have my police officers out on that corner," said Acting Supt. Matt Moyer.

Urban planning expert Matti Siemiatycki equates the future program to "having traffic enforcement agents at scale," given the potential to have the technology across the downtown core.

"What's remarkable is how unremarkable it is," he said, after reviewing footage from CBC Toronto on how Seattle's auto enforcement technology works.

"It's just seamless and it seems almost simple in how it's set up."

Siemiatycki believes it'll help alleviate gridlock, but that more needs to be done to tackle the overarching problem.

"Congestion is a much bigger challenge of too many cars and not enough space," said Siemiatycki, director of the Infrastructure Institute at the University of Toronto.

"Overall, we need a much broader suite of solutions to actually solve congestion."
 
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Do you know what will REALLY get Toronto moving again?!?!?!?..........

Removing the bike lanes!!! 💣🚲
 
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Do you know what will REALLY get Toronto moving again?!?!?!?..........

Removing the bike lanes!!! 💣🚲
But of course.

Restoring a few kms of urban, inner city, local, neighborhood road lanes to the city's 5700kms of roadway in addition it's thousands of kms of expressway lanes WILL REALLY get Toronto moving again as you say!!!!!

You make SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!!
 
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