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blah blah blah...no one cares what biased columnists have to say. They're trying to remain relevant as their paper teeters on the verge of bankruptcy.
Taxpayers are the ones that matter. And the ones that matter know DoFO and his government have been doing a great job.

Don't believe me?

How many majority governments has DoFo been elected to?

You think that happens because most voters don't agree with him?
You seem all bummed out there Skoob.

Read the following, it should cure what ails you:


Ford government’s Ontario Place redevelopment was ‘not fair, transparent or accountable,’ auditor general finds in scathing report
Additionally, Ford’s decision to close supervised drug consumption sites near schools and daycares was made “without proper planning,” the AG said.
Updated Dec. 6, 2024 at 12:00 p.m.


By Robert BenzieQueen’s Park Bureau Chief, Rob FergusonQueen’s Park Bureau, and Kristin RushowyQueen’s Park Bureau

Costs to taxpayers have soared because Premier Doug Ford‘s controversial Ontario Place redevelopment scheme was “not fair, transparent or accountable” — and his use of minister’s zoning orders is haphazard, the auditor general has found.

The Progressive Conservatives’ $2.237-billion revamp of the waterfront park — five to six times their original estimate — was “irregular” and not done using “best practices for large-scale, modern land-use development projects,” the auditor said Tuesday.

In a scathing 941-page annual report to the legislature, auditor Shelley Spence also found Ford’s decision to close 10 supervised drug consumption sites near schools and daycares was made “without proper planning.”

Nor was there anything done to mitigate an “increased risk of overdoses” likely to end up in hospital emergency rooms that are already overcrowded.

Against the backdrop of the $8.28-billion Greenbelt land swap scandal now under criminal investigation by the RCMP, Spence was withering about the Ontario Place project and Ford’s penchant for MZOs, a tool used to override local planning decisions.

Shuttered by the previous Liberal government in 2012, the lakeside icon will eventually be home to a Therme waterpark and spa, a relocated Ontario Science Centre and an expanded Live Nation concert venue as well as a parking garage that could cost between $280 million and $400 million.

“We found that the social and environmental benefits of redevelopment were not factored into the assessment framework or considered in the redevelopment, including in the lease negotiations with anchor tenants,” the auditor said, emphasizing “rules and guidelines ... were not followed.”

“We found that the (call for development) process and realty decisions were not fair, transparent or accountable to all participants,” the auditor said.

Spence, who succeeded long-time auditor Bonnie Lysyk in January, found Ontario Place redevelopment costs to the province have ballooned by a staggering $1.8 billion to an estimated $2.237 billion. At one point, the government anticipated it would cost as little as $335 million.

Her audit said that “contrary to the protocol” for negotiations involving developers, three unidentified suitors met privately with staff from the premier’s and minister’s offices in June and July 2019.

As well, some would-be bidders “had direct access to an Infrastructure Ontario (IO) executive,” who exchanged nine emails and had one phone call with Therme’s legal counsel after news broke about company’s plans.

Unusually, “minutes of meetings with participants were not kept” so it is not known whether everyone involved “had equal access to the information that was shared” at those closed-door confabs.

In a statement Tuesday, Therme said “the bid process was clear to us, and any questions we may have had were answered within the process prior to the close of the submissions deadline.”

“Therme Group followed IO’s process and fully complied with its requirements at every stage in our submission and negotiation,” the Austrian company said.

Deputy Premier Sylvia Jones pushed back at the auditor.

“We have not bypassed due process,” insisted Jones, defending the government’s actions on many fronts.

“It speaks to our interest and our motivation to get things done,” she said, in a nod to the Tories’ 2022 campaign slogan, Get It Done.

But NDP Leader Marit Stiles said the report exposes a “government that’s off the rails.”

“They do whatever they want at an enormous cost to the people of Ontario,” said Stiles.

Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie decried “Doug Ford’s shady backroom deals.”

“This report lays bare the results of that choice,” said Crombie.

Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow said the audit “seems like a big problem,” but has nothing to do with the city since Ontario Place falls within the “provincial mandate.”

Ontario Place for All, a community group opposed to the project, urged the government to “end the lease now” with Therme.

On MZOs, there appeared to be no rhyme or reason to the rezoning orders, which have fallen out of favour at Queen’s Park since the Mounties began probing the Greenbelt debacle 14 months ago.

“The ministry does not consistently provide the minister with timely and complete information relating to the projects proposed for an MZO,” wrote Spence, who said the orders to allow housing or industrial development on agricultural land increases its value by an average of 46 per cent.

“We also found there was no protocol and no apparent rationale for prioritizing some MZO requests over others,” the auditor said, pointing out the minister’s office “often selected which of the MZO requests to work on.”

The auditor examined all 114 zoning orders issued between 2019 and 2023 “and found none of them contained an assessment as to whether the MZO was necessary.”

She said MZO use has skyrocketed under Ford — between 1946 and 1998 there were an average of six such orders annually. From 1999 to 2018 that plunged to one MZO per year. But from 2019 through 2023 there were an average of 23 MZOs a year.

Municipal Affairs Minister Paul Calandra said the government is already rectifying the MZO process to weed out land speculators.

“Any MZO that we approve has to be followed up with a shovel in the ground. If it’s not, then I won’t hesitate to revoke it,” said Calandra.

Green Leader Mike Schreiner blasted the Tories’ “total lack of due diligence when reviewing MZOs that could pave over our farmland and wetlands without any consultation whatsoever.”

The annual audit was an indictment of the government’s opioid strategy, which passed into law Monday night.
Spence said closing 10 of 17 supervised consumption sites in favour of 19 HART Hubs (Homelessness and Addiction Recovery Treatment) would leave a deadly service gap — something advocates have been feared since the plan was announced in August.

Opening next spring, the hubs will provide 375 supportive housing units and addiction recovery and treatment beds but no supervised drug consumption, safe supply of narcotics or needle exchanges.
Ford has called consumption sites a “failed policy” that are being restricted over concerns about community safety — including the killing of mother-of-two Karolina Huebner-Makurat by a stray bullet outside a Leslieville site last summer.

Spence, however, predicted community outrage could linger if drug users are overdosing on streets and discarding needles.

She went on to slam the province for taking too long to investigate potential fraud under the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program. In about 20 per cent of cases where misrepresentation was found, the applicant had already received permanent residency from the federal government.

Despite spending $100 million over the last decade to digitize services such as health card and driver’s licence renewals, more than half of service options still aren’t available online — and for those that are, customer satisfaction is low, she added.

Concerns were also raised about cybersecurity at ServiceOntario outlets — 70 per cent are privately operated and the rest are public — with the auditor saying some locations “lacked proper controls to safeguard Ontarians’ personal data from unauthorized access” by staff.

Finally, Spence’s audit looked at government advertising, which tripled in one year to $103.5 million in 2023-24 from $33.7 million in 2022-23.

That’s “the most the government has ever spent on advertising in a year” and includes commercials promoting Ontario that aired during the Super Bowl and in NHL games.

The spending boost comes as Ford is considering a spring election, one year ahead of the scheduled June 2026 vote.
 

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Do you think Millicent from Milton, Ridley from Richmond Hill and Prickly Pete from Peterborough lives a 100 minute walk from wherever they need to go?
Do you think most drivers are fat, lazy and have atrophied muscles from doing nothing but standing still in congestion and gridlock?
How about the 85,000 single occupant rideshare drivers driving around and around like zombies waiting to earn their $5/hr? Should they be delivering 150 pound sacks of shit in their car?
Do you think motorists on the Gardiner, QEW, DVP and 427 are all just stuck in the mess of congestion and gridlock of their own making? You know .... the millions of motor vehicles and their single occupants that you don't think exist?

These are all very important questions that need thoughful response, Jimmy Olsen.
Do you think everyone wants to depend (i.e. be forced) on public transit to get in & out of the city?
Do you think you have the right to force people to not drive by themselves if they want to?
Do you think the public will benefit from having less transportation choices like rideshare or will it just make people want to drive their cars even more?
Do you expect people to just walk where they need to go so that your UberEATS biker can get you your tacos faster?
Do you want to control people's choices to drive their cars because you think riding your bike takes precedence over anyone else's transportation choices comrade?


Vehicles s aren't going away or declining in use just because downtowners think no one else exists. Say that over and over to yourself comrade or you'll continue e to be disappointed when your ideology crumbles around you like it is now.

ps tell us your not a downtown elitist without telling us you're a downtown elitist.
 
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You seem all bummed out there Skoob.

Read the following, it should cure what ails you:


Ford government’s Ontario Place redevelopment was ‘not fair, transparent or accountable,’ auditor general finds in scathing report
Additionally, Ford’s decision to close supervised drug consumption sites near schools and daycares was made “without proper planning,” the AG said.
Updated Dec. 6, 2024 at 12:00 p.m.


By Robert BenzieQueen’s Park Bureau Chief, Rob FergusonQueen’s Park Bureau, and Kristin RushowyQueen’s Park Bureau

Costs to taxpayers have soared because Premier Doug Ford‘s controversial Ontario Place redevelopment scheme was “not fair, transparent or accountable” — and his use of minister’s zoning orders is haphazard, the auditor general has found.

The Progressive Conservatives’ $2.237-billion revamp of the waterfront park — five to six times their original estimate — was “irregular” and not done using “best practices for large-scale, modern land-use development projects,” the auditor said Tuesday.

In a scathing 941-page annual report to the legislature, auditor Shelley Spence also found Ford’s decision to close 10 supervised drug consumption sites near schools and daycares was made “without proper planning.”

Nor was there anything done to mitigate an “increased risk of overdoses” likely to end up in hospital emergency rooms that are already overcrowded.

Against the backdrop of the $8.28-billion Greenbelt land swap scandal now under criminal investigation by the RCMP, Spence was withering about the Ontario Place project and Ford’s penchant for MZOs, a tool used to override local planning decisions.

Shuttered by the previous Liberal government in 2012, the lakeside icon will eventually be home to a Therme waterpark and spa, a relocated Ontario Science Centre and an expanded Live Nation concert venue as well as a parking garage that could cost between $280 million and $400 million.

“We found that the social and environmental benefits of redevelopment were not factored into the assessment framework or considered in the redevelopment, including in the lease negotiations with anchor tenants,” the auditor said, emphasizing “rules and guidelines ... were not followed.”

“We found that the (call for development) process and realty decisions were not fair, transparent or accountable to all participants,” the auditor said.

Spence, who succeeded long-time auditor Bonnie Lysyk in January, found Ontario Place redevelopment costs to the province have ballooned by a staggering $1.8 billion to an estimated $2.237 billion. At one point, the government anticipated it would cost as little as $335 million.

Her audit said that “contrary to the protocol” for negotiations involving developers, three unidentified suitors met privately with staff from the premier’s and minister’s offices in June and July 2019.

As well, some would-be bidders “had direct access to an Infrastructure Ontario (IO) executive,” who exchanged nine emails and had one phone call with Therme’s legal counsel after news broke about company’s plans.

Unusually, “minutes of meetings with participants were not kept” so it is not known whether everyone involved “had equal access to the information that was shared” at those closed-door confabs.

In a statement Tuesday, Therme said “the bid process was clear to us, and any questions we may have had were answered within the process prior to the close of the submissions deadline.”

“Therme Group followed IO’s process and fully complied with its requirements at every stage in our submission and negotiation,” the Austrian company said.

Deputy Premier Sylvia Jones pushed back at the auditor.

“We have not bypassed due process,” insisted Jones, defending the government’s actions on many fronts.

“It speaks to our interest and our motivation to get things done,” she said, in a nod to the Tories’ 2022 campaign slogan, Get It Done.

But NDP Leader Marit Stiles said the report exposes a “government that’s off the rails.”

“They do whatever they want at an enormous cost to the people of Ontario,” said Stiles.

Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie decried “Doug Ford’s shady backroom deals.”

“This report lays bare the results of that choice,” said Crombie.

Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow said the audit “seems like a big problem,” but has nothing to do with the city since Ontario Place falls within the “provincial mandate.”

Ontario Place for All, a community group opposed to the project, urged the government to “end the lease now” with Therme.

On MZOs, there appeared to be no rhyme or reason to the rezoning orders, which have fallen out of favour at Queen’s Park since the Mounties began probing the Greenbelt debacle 14 months ago.

“The ministry does not consistently provide the minister with timely and complete information relating to the projects proposed for an MZO,” wrote Spence, who said the orders to allow housing or industrial development on agricultural land increases its value by an average of 46 per cent.

“We also found there was no protocol and no apparent rationale for prioritizing some MZO requests over others,” the auditor said, pointing out the minister’s office “often selected which of the MZO requests to work on.”

The auditor examined all 114 zoning orders issued between 2019 and 2023 “and found none of them contained an assessment as to whether the MZO was necessary.”

She said MZO use has skyrocketed under Ford — between 1946 and 1998 there were an average of six such orders annually. From 1999 to 2018 that plunged to one MZO per year. But from 2019 through 2023 there were an average of 23 MZOs a year.

Municipal Affairs Minister Paul Calandra said the government is already rectifying the MZO process to weed out land speculators.

“Any MZO that we approve has to be followed up with a shovel in the ground. If it’s not, then I won’t hesitate to revoke it,” said Calandra.

Green Leader Mike Schreiner blasted the Tories’ “total lack of due diligence when reviewing MZOs that could pave over our farmland and wetlands without any consultation whatsoever.”

The annual audit was an indictment of the government’s opioid strategy, which passed into law Monday night.
Spence said closing 10 of 17 supervised consumption sites in favour of 19 HART Hubs (Homelessness and Addiction Recovery Treatment) would leave a deadly service gap — something advocates have been feared since the plan was announced in August.

Opening next spring, the hubs will provide 375 supportive housing units and addiction recovery and treatment beds but no supervised drug consumption, safe supply of narcotics or needle exchanges.
Ford has called consumption sites a “failed policy” that are being restricted over concerns about community safety — including the killing of mother-of-two Karolina Huebner-Makurat by a stray bullet outside a Leslieville site last summer.

Spence, however, predicted community outrage could linger if drug users are overdosing on streets and discarding needles.

She went on to slam the province for taking too long to investigate potential fraud under the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program. In about 20 per cent of cases where misrepresentation was found, the applicant had already received permanent residency from the federal government.

Despite spending $100 million over the last decade to digitize services such as health card and driver’s licence renewals, more than half of service options still aren’t available online — and for those that are, customer satisfaction is low, she added.

Concerns were also raised about cybersecurity at ServiceOntario outlets — 70 per cent are privately operated and the rest are public — with the auditor saying some locations “lacked proper controls to safeguard Ontarians’ personal data from unauthorized access” by staff.

Finally, Spence’s audit looked at government advertising, which tripled in one year to $103.5 million in 2023-24 from $33.7 million in 2022-23.

That’s “the most the government has ever spent on advertising in a year” and includes commercials promoting Ontario that aired during the Super Bowl and in NHL games.

The spending boost comes as Ford is considering a spring election, one year ahead of the scheduled June 2026 vote.
Sorry, I don't accept homework from strangers on the internet.
You seem disturbed and actually think cutting/pasting huge articles makes you look smart.
Newsflash...it doesn't.

ps can't wait for another DoFo majority government...how about you?
 
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Do you think Millicent from Milton, Ridley from Richmond Hill and Prickly Pete from Peterborough lives a 100 minute walk from wherever they need to go?
Do you think most drivers are fat, lazy and have atrophied muscles from doing nothing but standing still in congestion and gridlock?
How about the 85,000 single occupant rideshare drivers driving around and around like zombies waiting to earn their $5/hr? Should they be delivering 150 pound sacks of shit in their car?
Do you think motorists on the Gardiner, QEW, DVP and 427 are all just stuck in the mess of congestion and gridlock of their own making? You know .... the millions of motor vehicles and their single occupants that you don't think exist?

These are all very important questions that need thoughful response, Jimmy Olsen.
A large percentage of people in this Province drive (read single occupant vehicles) because it's still faster than walking, cycling or taking public transit. All you have to do is open Google Maps, punch in random directions, other than one close to the Go Train or one of the few subway lines and you'll see it's still way faster to drive to most places, any time of day or night. Especially if you live in or traveling to a residential area that's poorly serviced by public transit, which many are.

The added bonus of driving, is you get to sit in the comfort of your car, listen to music, turn on the heat or A/C and enjoy the ride. You don't have to worry about walking in the rain or snow, having to stand waiting for transit, then not guaranteed a seat when it arrives. You can also easily make a detour to pickup something and have a place to put it if need be. Sure it's more expensive, but how much is your time and piece of mind worth?

So the question remains, why can't you get that through your thick head?
 

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A large percentage of people in this Province drive (read single occupant vehicles) because it's still faster than walking, cycling or taking public transit. All you have to do is open Google Maps, punch in random directions, other than one close to the Go Train or one of the few subway lines and you'll see it's still way faster to drive to most places, any time of day or night. Especially if you live in or traveling to a residential area that's poorly serviced by public transit, which many are.

The added bonus of driving, is you get to sit in the comfort of your car, listen to music, turn on the heat or A/C and enjoy the ride. You don't have to worry about walking in the rain or snow, having to stand waiting for transit, then not guaranteed a seat when it arrives. You can also easily make a detour to pickup something and have a place to put it if need be. Sure it's more expensive, but how much is your time and piece of mind worth?

So the question remains, why can't you get that through your thick head?
What does any of the above have to do with a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core?

Zero, nothing, nada, nil zilch.

I commute by motor vehicle to work, but also cycle and take transit for errands, shopping, appointments in addition to cycling for pleasure, physical exertion and for discovery. Plus, I don't need or use bike lanes to bike or feel safe. All those nitty gritty, motor vehicle congested, gridlocked, scofflaw ridden and polluted city streets I bike.
 
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Do you think everyone wants to depend (i.e. be forced) on public transit to get in & out of the city?
Do you think you have the right to force people to not drive by themselves if they want to?
Do you think the public will benefit from having less transportation choices like rideshare or will it just make people want to drive their cars even more?
Do you expect people to just walk where they need to go so that your UberEATS biker can get you your tacos faster?
Do you want to control people's choices to drive their cars because you think riding your bike takes precedence over anyone else's transportation choices comrade?


Vehicles s aren't going away or declining in use just because downtowners think no one else exists. Say that over and over to yourself comrade or you'll continue e to be disappointed when your ideology crumbles around you like it is now.

ps tell us your not a downtown elitist without telling us you're a downtown elitist.
No one is forcing anyone to depend on public transit to get in and out of the city, except in your mind machinations.
No is forcing people to not drive by themselves if they want to, except once again in your mindless delusionary thought processes.
No is trying to force people from having less transportation choices, except Doug Fraud and people like you.
No is forcing people to just walk where they need to go, except in your halluciantions.
No is trying to control people choices of transportation, except your Dear Leader and lil rubes like yourself.

Once again what do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock?
 
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No one is forcing anyone to depend on public transit to get in and out of the city, except in your mind machinations.
No is forcing people to not drive by themselves if they want to, except once again in your mindless delusionary thought processes.
No is trying to force people from having less transportation choices, except Doug Fraud and people like you.
No is forcing people to just walk where they need to go, except in your halluciantions.
No is trying to control people choices of transportation, except your Dear Leader and lil rubes like yourself.

Once again what do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock?
All of your points contradict what you have actually been saying.

When you criticize people for driving by themselves, you are sewing the seeds of hatred towards them. When you restrict lanes to multi-passenger traffic instead of building more lanes, you are punishing people who prefer to drive alone and threatening them with fines.
When you sabotage vehicle traffic by putting in bike lanes and stupid traffic laws (ie King st.) you are essentially forcing people to not drive their cars even though they have to.
When you limit rideshare vehicles (Like Comrade Chow is doing) you limit people's ability to earn a living and provide what the public wants.

Everyone doesn't live in walking or biking distance from where they need to go. ie don't be a downtown elitist.

If you hadn't noticed, removing some of these bike lanes especially near the hospital area is just the start. Stopping more bike lanes from being built is also just the start.

If Ford decided to get rid of all of them at the same time you would have had a stroke.

Be patient.
 
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Do you think Millicent from Milton, Ridley from Richmond Hill and Prickly Pete from Peterborough lives a 100 minute walk from wherever they need to go?
Do you think most drivers are fat, lazy and have atrophied muscles from doing nothing but standing still in congestion and gridlock?
How about the 85,000 single occupant rideshare drivers driving around and around like zombies waiting to earn their $5/hr? Should they be delivering 150 pound sacks of shit in their car?
Do you think motorists on the Gardiner, QEW, DVP and 427 are all just stuck in the mess of congestion and gridlock of their own making? You know .... the millions of motor vehicles and their single occupants that you don't think exist?

These are all very important questions that need thoughful response, Jimmy Olsen.
What does any of the above have to do with a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core?

Zero, nothing, nada, nil zilch.
 
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As was correctly stated previously and is now further evidenced by the above litany of abject futility you, GameBoy2, have frittered away, exhausted, lost any remaining shred of credibility that you have proclaimed to possess as TERB's foremost cyclist/bike lane/commuting/transportation/accident reconstructionist/road infraction counting/blaming expert.

Toronto's self-proclaimed, 'cyclist extraordinaire" who is hair-triggered to cast blame upon the ills of the roadway onto other cyclists and most baffling of all, infer that cycling victims of motorists are basically to blame and are at fault for being hit, knocked off their bikes, injured, maimed, dismembered and killed by inattentive, careless, negligent and reckless motor vehicle drivers.

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What does any of the above have to do with a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core?

Zero, nothing, nada, nil zilch.

One could say the same thing about many of your posts, which as you say, have nothing to do with the original topic. No better example of the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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What does any of the above have to do with a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core?

Zero, nothing, nada, nil zilch.
Answer:

Replying with distraction to the distraction

Skoob and yourself are the flaming queens of 'what if' distractionism.

Riddle me this, you faux-cyclist, bike lane monitor extraordinaire:

What do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have to do with GTA wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock?
 
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All of your points contradict what you have actually been saying.

When you criticize people for driving by themselves, you are sewing the seeds of hatred towards them. When you restrict lanes to multi-passenger traffic instead of building more lanes, you are punishing people who prefer to drive alone and threatening them with fines.
When you sabotage vehicle traffic by putting in bike lanes and stupid traffic laws (ie King st.) you are essentially forcing people to not drive their cars even though they have to.
When you limit rideshare vehicles (Like Comrade Chow is doing) you limit people's ability to earn a living and provide what the public wants.

Everyone doesn't live in walking or biking distance from where they need to go. ie don't be a downtown elitist.

If you hadn't noticed, removing some of these bike lanes especially near the hospital area is just the start. Stopping more bike lanes from being built is also just the start.

If Ford decided to get rid of all of them at the same time you would have had a stroke.

Be patient.
All of your distractions from the topic of this thread are just that, distractions from the topic of this thread. Say hello to your partner in distraction, Gameyboy, the faux-cyclist, bike lane monitor exemplar.

Sewing the seed of hatred? What a joke you are. Get a knitting needle and learn the appropriate word to use Hint, hint, it's not sewing. Look at what I am dealing with here.

Sabotage vehicle traffic, stupid traffic laws. Once again, you're just reinforcing the utter hysteria in your thought processing skills It's not a good look there bro. Lose the off topic shambolic nature of your cognitive skills.

No one is limiting rideshare vehicles. It's a wild, wild west show out there. 1 poverty wage earning licensed Uber driver for every 37 Torontonians is NOT limiting people's ability to earn a living and provide what the public wants. It's your histrionics showing again there madam. In fact, the exact opposite of your hysterics is actually true, madam.

No one is trying to prevent anyone from doing what they are lawfully able to do, except your Dear Leader and rubes like you.

Once again what do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock and all of your false and scatterbrained hysterics?
 
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All of your distractions from the topic of this thread are just that, distractions from the topic of this thread. Say hello to your partner in distraction, Gameyboy, the faux-cyclist, bike lane monitor exemplar.

Sewing the seed of hatred? What a joke you are. Get a knitting needle and learn the appropriate word to use Hint, hint, it's not sewing. Look at what I am dealing with here.

Sabotage vehicle traffic, stupid traffic laws. Once again, you're just reinforcing the utter hysteria in your thought processing skills It's not a good look there bro. Lose the off topic shambolic nature of your cognitive skills.

No one is limiting rideshare vehicles. It's a wild, wild west show out there. 1 poverty wage earning licensed Uber driver for every 37 Torontonians is NOT limiting people's ability to earn a living and provide what the public wants. It's your histrionics showing again there madam. In fact, the exact opposite of your hysterics is actually true, madam.

No one is trying to prevent anyone from doing what they are lawfully able to do, except your Dear Leader and rubes like you.

Once again what do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock and all of your false and scatterbrained hysterics?
"No one is limiting rideshare..."? Are you lost?


Toronto may limit number of ride-share drivers in city
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6582203


BUT...

Chow seems more confused than you and is now running to DoFo to help her with her confusion after she was scolded...

In surprise move, Olivia Chow changes course on limiting Uber drivers
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/in...cle_7b6ed0de-b718-11ef-a1ce-f3112d825ab0.html


btw I see your reading comprehension still needs some work. I had answered your question...you didn't answer any of mine...but that's expected considering you don't have any answers you just like to cry.
 

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Answer:

Replying with distraction to the distraction

Skoob and yourself are the flaming queens of 'what if' distractionism.

Riddle me this, you faux-cyclist, bike lane monitor extraordinaire:

What do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have to do with GTA wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock?
Here...let me help you Mr. Daft...

Why are you equating one with the other?

There is downtown traffic and there is city-wide traffic.

Removing bike lanes in downtown will help traffic congestion downtown.

Simple enough for you?
 

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Here...let me help you Mr. Daft...

Why are you equating one with the other?

There is downtown traffic and there is city-wide traffic.

Removing bike lanes in downtown will help traffic congestion downtown.

Simple enough for you?
Your Dear Leader with his faux "Reducing Gridlock and Saving You Time Act", which is a province-wide, piece of faux culture war legislation directly targeting rubes just like you because of his upcoming early $3billion election call are the ones equating that removing a few kms of local, neighborhood inner city Toronto bike lanes with solving GTA-wide congestion.

You can't be, oh wait yes you can be, that ignorant to not know that your Dear Leader's faux legislation is province wide. I am just re-stating what you and your Dear Leader's faux piece province-wide easing gridlock legislation states.

Which once again leads back to the question you still will not answer:

What the fuck do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock and all of your false and scatterbrained hysterics?

 
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Anbarandy

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"No one is limiting rideshare..."? Are you lost?


Toronto may limit number of ride-share drivers in city
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6582203


BUT...

Chow seems more confused than you and is now running to DoFo to help her with her confusion after she was scolded...

In surprise move, Olivia Chow changes course on limiting Uber drivers
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/in...cle_7b6ed0de-b718-11ef-a1ce-f3112d825ab0.html


btw I see your reading comprehension still needs some work. I had answered your question...you didn't answer any of mine...but that's expected considering you don't have any answers you just like to cry.
Have rideshare licensed drivers been limited?

There were 80,000 licensed drivers then, there are 80,000 licensed drivers now. Try to think clearly for once.

80,000 licensed drivers, which is 1 driver for every 37 Torontonians not only does NOT equal limited, it also equals utter fuckin MADNESS!

Still confused?
 
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Your Dear Leader with his faux "Reducing Gridlock and Saving You Time Act", which is a province-wide, piece of faux culture war legislation directly targeting rubes just like you because of his upcoming early $3billion election call are the ones equating that removing a few kms of local, neighborhood inner city Toronto bike lanes with solving GTA-wide congestion.

You can't be, oh wait yes you can be, that ignorant to not know that your Dear Leader's faux legislation is province wide. I am just re-stating what you and your Dear Leader's faux piece province-wide easing gridlock legislation states.

Which once again leads back to the question you still will not answer:

What the fuck do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock and all of your false and scatterbrained hysterics?
I've answered your question twice. (and yes we can all play with fonts...you're not special)

You're ignoring my answer.

You answered my questions with questions.

That shows me your argument is on shaky ground as usual otherwise you would acknowledge my answer and answer my questions rather than stalling and trying to recover from your failure.

Only losers try those tactics.
 
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Anbarandy

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I've answered your question twice. (and yes we can all play with fonts...you're not special)

You're ignoring my answer.

You answered my questions with questions.

That shows me your argument is on shaky ground as usual otherwise you would acknowledge my answer and answer my questions rather than stalling and trying to recover from your failure.

Only losers try those tactics.
You have answered squat, as usual.

You've replied with and have posted nothing but distractions.

Remember it is your Dear Leader, and rubes just like you, with his province-wide faux piece of "Reducing Squat and Saving you Shit" legislation, who are falsely equating and distracting with a few kms of local, neighborhood, inner city bike lanes as the cause of GTA-wide motor vehicle congestion, crawl and gridlock>

What the fuck do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock?
 
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You have answered squat, as usual.

You've replied with and have posted nothing but distractions.

Remember it is your Dear Leader, and rubes just like you, with his province-wide faux piece of "Reducing Squat and Saving you Shit" legislation, who are falsely equating and distracting with a few kms of local, neighborhood, inner city bike lanes as the cause of GTA-wide motor vehicle congestion, crawl and gridlock>

What the fuck do a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in Toronto's inner core have anything to do at all with GTA-wide, motor vehicle caused congestion, crawl and gridlock?
So you're accusing me of lying?

I'll wait for your answer while you rifle through my posts to see what you missed so you don't keep looking stupid.

tick...tock...tick...tock....
 
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@Skoob, your arguments often use the word "everyone". This situation is far more nuanced than a black or white way of thinking. No, not everyone lives 10 minutes from everywhere they need to go. But some people do live 10 minutes from some of the places they need to go, some of the time. Since the bike lanes were installed, I've found myself going downtown from Scarborough far more often, because I feel safer to do so. Otherwise, I have to rely on transit which is less reliable and not always as pleasant, and often slower.

The only case that I can think of in which "everyone" does apply, is that everyone wants to be able to get around the city easier, faster and safer. The more options we can provide to the most number of people, the better. Bike lanes are just one tool that enables more people to move around the city, easier, faster and safer.

I like you passionate you are, I can relate to that. Unfortunately, I think your strong feelings are obscuring you from seeing that, despite how it feels, bike lanes are probably not negatively impacting you. I don't want to invalidate your feelings or how you've experienced the changes in our city - but I do want to ask you to try to set aside your feelings and be open to being misguided about some of your hard felt beliefs. Yes, driving around the city is shitty, and as we cater to more cars, we're going to have more cars which will make it shittier. I'm sure we agree that is not something we want. We want to get around. Fire trucks need to get around. People need to and from get home alive and unharmed. Bike lanes are wonderful, because they do help reduce the need for cars. They make roads narrower, which has the psychological impact of compelling drivers to operate their machines slower, thereby reducing accidents and the severity of accidents (another thing I'm she we both agree, we want less people harmed). Oh, and just a reminder, deducing speed doesn't actually increase travel time. Psychologically it might not feel that way in the moment. But, slower traffic tends to flow better thanks to the few fewer interruptions. And if we can have even fewer cars, then thing will flow even better.

I want ask you to dispassionately evaluate the information that is being provided, and be open to being proved incorrect about your assumptions.

Also, I'm curious, what did you think of the video linked above? Did you watch it?
 
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Skoob

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@Skoob, your arguments often use the word "everyone". This situation is far more nuanced than a black or white way of thinking. No, not everyone lives 10 minutes from everywhere they need to go. But some people do live 10 minutes from some of the places they need to go, some of the time. Since the bike lanes were installed, I've found myself going downtown from Scarborough far more often, because I feel safer to do so. Otherwise, I have to rely on transit which is less reliable and not always as pleasant, and often slower.

The only case that I can think of in which "everyone" does apply, is that everyone wants to be able to get around the city easier, faster and safer. The more options we can provide to the most number of people, the better. Bike lanes are just one tool that enables more people to move around the city, easier, faster and safer.

I like you passionate you are, I can relate to that. Unfortunately, I think your strong feelings are obscuring you from seeing that, despite how it feels, bike lanes are probably not negatively impacting you. I don't want to invalidate your feelings or how you've experienced the changes in our city - but I do want to ask you to try to set aside your feelings and be open to being misguided about some of your hard felt beliefs. Yes, driving around the city is shitty, and as we cater to more cars, we're going to have more cars which will make it shittier. I'm sure we agree that is not something we want. We want to get around. Fire trucks need to get around. People need to and from get home alive and unharmed. Bike lanes are wonderful, because they do help reduce the need for cars. They make roads narrower, which has the psychological impact of compelling drivers to operate their machines slower, thereby reducing accidents and the severity of accidents (another thing I'm she we both agree, we want less people harmed). Oh, and just a reminder, deducing speed doesn't actually increase travel time. Psychologically it might not feel that way in the moment. But, slower traffic tends to flow better thanks to the few fewer interruptions. And if we can have even fewer cars, then thing will flow even better.

I want ask you to dispassionately evaluate the information that is being provided, and be open to being proved incorrect about your assumptions.

Also, I'm curious, what did you think of the video linked above? Did you watch it?
Inconveniencing the many, to appease the few never works.

  • Assuming the majority of people even have the option to ride a bike borders on discrimination considering the elderly, handicapped, and people who have to consider helping others to commute such as young children. So good for you if you can, but think of those who can't, which I'll go out on a limb and assume far outnumber those who can.

  • Adding options incorrectly is not a solution. i.e. we have a finite number of roads in the city that were designed for vehicles, not bikes & scooters. I would not be opposed to building new lanes/paths specifically for other purposes how unfeasible that might be, but I say that to make my point.

  • The cold hard truth is that people prefer driving their vehicles and not be held hostage on a flaky and sometimes dangerous transit system. People always want their products delivered and their emergency vehicles to arrive promptly. Reducing lanes does not accomplish any of that.

  • Further, when the transit options are not where they should be for a city of this size, pretending that is a viable option for many to the degree that they will stop driving is wishful thinking. i.e. sounds good to say, but not the reality we live in.

  • Holding onto the belief that somehow the number of vehicles is decreasing is the type of thinking that has compounded the congestion issues.

  • I watched the video...comparing Amsterdam to Toronto is flawed logic for several reasons, main ones being climate and the way both cities have evolved geographically. Also, Amsterdam's transit is ranked as one of the best in the world. Where's does Toronto's rank? We can't make up for that hoping that people will just get out of their cars and start riding bikes and taking unreliable transit.

Our city councilors have taken too many free trips to quaint European cities thinking they can replicate what they have there in Toronto. They can't. At least not yet and not in the foreseeable future.
 
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